Bodies strapped to seats on AA77, Pentagon?

reply to post by ThroatYogurt


Its quite sad how this many eyewitness accounts get waved away by CIT and other twoofers as nothing more than lies, but they take the word of a confused person who thinks he may have seen a plane fly over the Pentagon after the fireball, and then twist it to mean the 757 did the flyover, not the C-130 which DID fly by the Pentagon.

reply to post by GenRadek


Hand waving is what truthers do best. If it doesn't fit...they simply state it as government plants.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by GenRadek

 

Hand waving is what truthers do best. If it doesn't fit...they simply state it as government plants.

Ah yes, hand waving is all we have. I guess that is why noone has even bothered to offer proof of the actual topic yet? Why bother right? People like the OP or me will just wave it off? Funny how you can post soooo much, you can even provide proof or evidence of things OFF TOPIC but still not one bit of evidence to support this bodies found strapped into seats.

Talk about believing one nut instead of the mountain of evidence. Please, after all this time, finally either provide the evidence of these bodies strapped into their seats or go troll another thread with arguments about witnesses seeing a plane on which side of the citgo.

Wow, yay, you have witness statements of.....bodies found strapped into seats???? NO. Stop trying to prove your manhood with other topics when you have lost this one. Give up, all your taunts, jabs, and lies, all apply to you now. You are arguing in favor or a rumor by using deflections, distraction, and any other topic that you feel you can stand on. So far, you just look silly even bothering to support this lie with nothing and then call truthers delusional for what again?

Originally posted by GenRadek
reply to post by ThroatYogurt

 

Its quite sad how this many eyewitness accounts get waved away by CIT and other twoofers as nothing more than lies, but they take the word of a confused person who thinks he may have seen a plane fly over the Pentagon after the fireball, and then twist it to mean the 757 did the flyover, not the C-130 which DID fly by the Pentagon.

Actually, I'm trying to find out why there is a disconnect with the eyewitnesses. But, thanks for making assumptions about me.

BTW, let's get back on topic. Flight 77 passengers being found still strapped to their seats.

[edit on 10/18/2008 by Griff]

Originally posted by MorningStar8741
Ah yes, hand waving is all we have.

Glad you have finally admitted it.

I guess that is why noone has even bothered to offer proof of the actual topic yet? Why bother right? People like the OP or me will just wave it off? Funny how you can post soooo much, you can even provide proof or evidence of things OFF TOPIC but still not one bit of evidence to support this bodies found strapped into seats.

If you are speaking directly to mean, once again you have failed to read. Might I suggest you take some night classes on reading comprehension. What you are doing here is baiting me and others for an argument. I clearly stated that there are two witnesses. Period.

This does not confirm 100% that there were bodies strapped in airplane seat. Nor does it help the OP is dismissing the possibility.

Talk about believing one nut instead of the mountain of evidence. Please, after all this time, finally either provide the evidence of these bodies strapped into their seats or go troll another thread with arguments about witnesses seeing a plane on which side of the citgo.

How is it trolling when you offer your opinion on the OP along with collaborating witness statements? Since you sir have FAILED to offer ANY evidence to support or disprove the OP, you are the one that is trolling. Another poster requested south of Citgo witnesses. I responded to this post with quotes from witnesses.

Wow, yay, you have witness statements of.....bodies found strapped into seats???? NO. Stop trying to prove your manhood with other topics when you have lost this one.

You have any witness statements that were in position to see the impact of flight 77 into the Pentagon...but instead flew over it?

I didn't think so.

you fail again.

Give up, all your taunts, jabs, and lies, all apply to you now.

then next time you call me a liar without backing it up. You will be reported and put on ignore like I did to you on your other name.

Again little doggy, you are all bark and no bite.

You are arguing in favor or a rumor by using deflections, distraction, and any other topic that you feel you can stand on. So far, you just look silly even bothering to support this lie with nothing and then call truthers delusional for what again?

Can you prove this lie?

Mr. Morning Star, you have used the term lie over and over regarding me and things I post. It is time to back it up with PROOF that I am lying.

Time to put up or # up.

reply to post by Griff


No no, it wasnt about you directly. Sorry if it came out that way.
It was more towards CIT an tezz, not you! Sorry bout the mix up!

reply to post by ThroatYogurt


Proof you are a liar is within the threads leading back to "I only post between 8pm and 10pm" followed by a quick review of posts from every hour of the day the previous two weeks. Remember that? Oh yeah, and that came up again when you got caught lying about something else did it not? Yes. I know you want links to those threads so everyone can read them. I will get them for you, I PROMISE.

Other than that, I get to call bodies strapped into seats a lie. Why? Because you have 2 witnesses that claim to have seen them?

How many witnesses say that a missile hit the pentagon? How many differ on which way the plane flew? How many differ on how many planes were there? 2 witnesses claiming that it flew on the other side of the citgo is not proof to you, it is a lie because other stuff points to it not flying that way.

Ok, nothing points to bodies being found strapped to seats. You have two witnesses that say they were. Either your logic dictates that it is a lie until proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, or.....you really need to accept other contradictory eyewitness testimonies don't you? You admitted you cannot prove it but are trolling the thread waiting for the opportunity to back up other things that are completely off topic. What for? What does that do?

You cannot dismiss truther's ideas because they are only based on eyewitnesses and there is no contradictory proof, and then claim that eyewitness testimonies equal proof of another point.

Speaking of lies

then next time you call me a liar without backing it up. You will be reported and put on ignore like I did to you on your other name.

You already tried this one. You already accused me of being someone else and even ended up sending me the U2U appologizing for it. Suddenly it is valid again? Ok, then I guess my calling you a liar stands side by side with this repetitious slander that you already admitted you know is not true. Other than that, I believe you were asked to prove it the first time and fell pretty short. I think that is when I reminded you of your lies about posting times.

I can prove you are a liar. Can you prove I am someone else? You couldn't the last time.

[edit on 10/18/08 by MorningStar8741]

reply to post by thedman


In the photograph body number 83 seems to have an ID badge attached to the clothing just above the left arm?

So if that is so I would presume that body would be Pentagon personnel? What do you think.

Thanks

Originally posted by MorningStar8741
reply to post by ThroatYogurt

 

Proof you are a liar is within the threads leading back to "I only post between 8pm and 10pm" followed by a quick review of posts from every hour of the day the previous two weeks. Remember that? Oh yeah, and that came up again when you got caught lying about something else did it not? Yes. I know you want links to those threads so everyone can read them. I will get them for you, I PROMISE.

This is pathetic. Not that I have to explain anything to ANYONE about my posting habits. I did.

Once again you have FAILED to show anything I have posted as lies. My information posted on this forum is backed up with sources. (unless posted as an opinion)

Because of your baseless accusations, attacks, and "Ultima like" posts, you will be on ignore after this post. As I promised.

Other than that, I get to call bodies strapped into seats a lie. Why? Because you have 2 witnesses that claim to have seen them?

You are calling two first responders liars.

How many witnesses say that a missile hit the pentagon? How many differ on which way the plane flew? How many differ on how many planes were there? 2 witnesses claiming that it flew on the other side of the citgo is not proof to you, it is a lie because other stuff points to it not flying that way.

I never called any witnesses liars. YOU ARE! Are some witnesses mistaken? Absolutely. Which ones? Well, collect the evidence and come to a conclusion.

Ok, nothing points to bodies being found strapped to seats. You have two witnesses that say they were.

Um? Do you actually READ what you post? You say "nothing" points to it, yet in the same breath you acknowledge there are two witnesses.

Either your logic dictates that it is a lie until proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, or.....you really need to accept other contradictory eyewitness testimonies don't you? You admitted you cannot prove it but are trolling the thread waiting for the opportunity to back up other things that are completely off topic. What for? What does that do?

Again, I am not dictating anything. I accept ALL the evidence.

The trolling that you are accusing me of is responding to your attacks on my credibility and other members in here that I have been chatting with for quite a long time here at ATS.

Have a good time on ignore.

Been reading this most amusing thread and after 11 pages I hereby declare Tetezzajw and cashlink the winners... as would any court of law.

What they've requested is really quite simple to understand, yet all I see is a continual failure and evasion to offer any factual or verifiable evidence and paper trail to support their assertions that there were bodies strapped in seats. ITS A SIMPLE REQUEST. the only response is silence and evasion.

Anyone with half a brain should be able to understand why claims there were witnesses who "saw" this or that, is not remotely "real" evidence or facts supporting anything. Its amazing how gullible and easily manipulated so many are to believe that because there were "firemen" or "officials" claiming/saying they saw bodies bla bla bla, that thats somehow GOOD ENOUGH and something called PROOF or EVIDENCE. LOL!

If this debate was entered into a court of law, the judge would laugh it out.
But then it was more than obvious after the first 3 pages of the thread and failures to provide that real evidence, that they don't for a reason; It doesn't exist. gee, and i wonder why it doesn't exist...

BECAUSE NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON

It boggles the mind that in the age of information, with all the video/audio evidence and lack of counter evidence/arguments, or whats been right in front of the worlds eyes more than any other conspiracy in history, that so many are so ignorant, blind and in denial.

I can only describe it as a bizarre inability to understand what PROVING SOMETHING actually means or entails, or what EVIDENCE and FACTS really are, versus ASSERTIONS, CLAIMS AND HEARSAY. They just don't seem to know the difference and I wonder more and more if its that they're simply disinfo agents, or really do have some intellectual malfunction and disability.

The "body in the seat argument" is really petty in the bigger picture imo since there's far more clear and obvious evidence, proof and arguments presented that PROVE 911 was absolutely fabricated by a dark faction of the US government mostly likely facilitated by factions of the Bush Administration that has connections to a far more sinister conspiracy/plot involving for one, the protection of Israel.
And when you begin to realize we're (US) about to go to War with Iran in which a nuclear conflict is most likely involved, the 911 conspiracy takes on a whole new meaning since such a War couldn't have been created or facilitated without 911 or those who helped perpetuate the LIE.

IOW, those in denial of this conspiracy who call those questioning the official story nuts without ever disproving the evidence or offering the type of proof a court of law would require in proving a case, are imo no better than those involved in the conspiracy.

Originally posted by tezzajw
Some believers, who shall remain nameless, state that there were witnesses who saw bodies strapped to the seats of the alleged Flight AA77 after it hit the Pentagon.

Anyway, my question is this:
We're lead to believe that an alleged high speed crash of the alleged Flight UA93 virtually smashed the bodies on the plane into unrecognisable goo. There were no reports of any bodies being strapped to seats at Shanksville. In fact, were there any seats allegedly found?

However, during another alleged high speed crash of the alleged Flight AA77 at the Pentagon, we're lead to believe that bodies can survive wholly intact, still strapped to their seats.

Which is it, believers? Does the 'soft' ground of an old strip-mine swallow a plane whole, while not leaving bodies intact. Or, does the reinforced, bunker-like walls of a building, smash the plane up while leaving some bodies intact?

Which version of high speed smashes do you expect me to believe?

Well it would help if he/she made up her/his mind.

First, there was the statement about certain believers saying that witnesses that reported seeing bodies strapped to seats in the mess under the Pentagon.

Us "believers" posted statesments showing first responders who had indeed said that they saw bodies in seats. Of course, they didnt give detailed explanations on exactly what condition the bodies were in, other than "scorched".

Then it is brought up that the passengers of Flight 93 ended up as goo, and wondered if any seats were found at Shanksville. After this, he/she seemed to wonder why there was a difference between Flight 77 and Flight 93.

The only things that were the same, were the type of airliner and that they were traveling at high speed. Everything else about those collisions were completely different.

No matter how many times it was mentioned that a plane slamming into the ground and coming to a dead stop in 40 feet is going to be a much more violent crash (and a hell of a lot more destructive to a human body) than an airliner going 300 feet through a building......and Tezza refuses to understand that

[edit on 18-10-2008 by Swampfox46_1999]

reply to post by matrix911


Thank you, thank you.
You are absolutely right! In addition, I agree with you in all of your statements.
I have wonder the same thing as you just stated, are some of these people just not able to think independently on their own, or do they really believe every dripping word that our News media, and Government says with out even question any of it. I just cannot believe that many people in here are that naïve. On the other hand, could it be that there are that many disinfo keyboard OPS in here trying to discredit anyone that come close to the truth. I have done some research on disinfo keyboard OPS, and I do see they are using the techniques that disinfo OPS are trained to use. I think it is very important to be well verse in their practices, and to expose the ones who are using this technique against the truth movement. To me hear say is not proof anymore, I want to see the evidence.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
I never called any witnesses liars. YOU ARE! Are some witnesses mistaken? Absolutely. Which ones? Well, collect the evidence and come to a conclusion.

That's what we have been trying to do for the whole thread, ThroatYogurt.

We've been trying to collect the evidence that shows there were bodies strapped to airline seats.

You have failed to provide any evidenc. thedman has failed to provide any evidence. Seymour has failed to provide any evidence.

All three of you admitted that you can't or won't provide evidence that proves there were bodies found strapped to airline seats.

reply to post by tezzajw


Tezzajw , These so call debunkers can not produce any real evidence.
We one this round, if there was any real proof that passengers were found strap in their seats, They would have found it already. Now we know who ever these people are that are making these statements are lairs. The only thing going on in here now is the debunkers have resorted to ridiculing the truth movement and using disinfo tactics.
They can not prove something that never happened.

reply to post by tezzajw


Tezz....

Why don't you grab MorningStar and take the same reading comprehension class. I CLEARLY stated that there were 2 eyewitnesses to seeing the strapped bodies and that it is possible that they could have been mistaken.

Do you want a cookie?

A pat on the back?

A truther sticker for your refrigerator?

How about a star to stick on your forehead?

There is not enough evidence to prove or disprove that there were bodies strapped in airplane seats.

End the thread cowboy....or you can sit in here and have a truther party declaring victory for not being able to prove that the two witnesses were mistaken!!!

Let me

Hurray for YOU!!

reply to post by ThroatYogurt


Uh, Dora wants the cookies and yes, she will take a pat on her back as well.
Maybe more than one cookie.

Oh by the way truthers won on this thread and we will have our PARTY!

reply to post by cashlink



What is it you won? You succeded in what? That rational minded people were unable to find pictures of scorched people still strapped to their airplane seats?

What exactly does this do for your truth movement? ZERO -NADA - Zilch.

Give Dora a scratch for me.



[edit on 10/18/0808 by ThroatYogurt]

I am almost ready to give up this thread........it has become simply personal attacks..

Again, possibly oversimplifying, we have claims of bodies strapped in seats "at the pentagon". We have no (to my knowledge) any forensic or otherwise proof that these seats (which actually look like a single seat attack fighter cockpit) and the bodies came from the alleged a/c that hit the Pentagon. We have 2 eyewitnesses, who have not been deposed under oath.

I am open to all, but having aircraft accident investigation background, I seek evidence and I see little evidence or witness testimony that has been corroborated by under oath testimony.

reply to post by habu71


Habu, not quite true. Sgt Williams HAS given a formal statement as part of the post incident investigation confirming what he originally told the reporter.

And knowing tezzie and cashie as I do, it wont matter if I post that document here, because they will say two things. 1. It is redacted so how can I prove its Sgt Williams and 2. He works for the government, therefore cannot be believed.

However, I do not need to find "official" documents to believe what my friends (who were there) have told me they saw that day and in the days following as they helped remove the bodies/remains.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
However, I do not need to find "official" documents to believe what my friends (who were there) have told me they saw that day and in the days following as they helped remove the bodies/remains.

You can believe all of the hearsay that you like, Swampfox. It's your right to.

Others prefer to believe what can be proved.

Still no proof that there were bodies strapped to airline seats, huh?

[edit on 18-10-2008 by tezzajw]