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Breathing without Air
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It has been recorded for centuries, although loosely, to say the least that in such places as India people would have their heads buried in the sand
and some saints were even said to be able to breathe under water. If I recall correctly there was one saint that would sometimes stay under the water
for as much as 20 minutes. I recently became interested in these tails with a new zest after having an awakening experience while in meditation. I
felt myself connected to everything and began to see with my eyes closed. Since this experience I have felt no need to breathe. It feels like I'm
surviving on pure prana or energy. So far I have been able to go 5 minutes without feeling a need to breathe. Just to make sure I don't harm myself I
take a breath after 5 minutes or so. I noticed it has been able to still me more readily in my meditation. Do you think it is possible for people to
consume the benefits of breathing by means of prana?
If this is true, then it seems we have wasted a lot of taxpayer money on developing space suits...
reply to post by asmeone2
Well it is the cessation of breath and not feeling the need to breathe. I am unsure if someone can technically survive off of pure energy. I know there was rumored to be quite a few people in the East that no longer needed to eat or drink.
Isn't there also some type of pressure issue in space?
Well it is the cessation of breath and not feeling the need to breathe. I am unsure if someone can technically survive off of pure energy. I know there was rumored to be quite a few people in the East that no longer needed to eat or drink.
Isn't there also some type of pressure issue in space?
I was being a smartypants there silly. I beleive the space suits are more for pressure than anything, unless the guys are going outside.
Now what I have heard is that these people somehow learned to convert sunlight into the kind of e nergy the body needs... so they did not need to eat or breath... can't say I've ever seen that in practice though.
Now what I have heard is that these people somehow learned to convert sunlight into the kind of e nergy the body needs... so they did not need to eat or breath... can't say I've ever seen that in practice though.
People can not survive with out food
People can not survive with out water
People can not survive with just the rays from the sun
People can not survive with out air
Why do we have lungs if they are not needed?
Why do we have a stomach?
Why do we need a digestive system at all?
Why do some people have brains when they don't use them?
Why do athletes breath heavily after running the 100M sprint?
We should be just heads in a glass jar.
Or as some other people clearly demonstrate a head contained in something else.
It's all a conspiracy I tell you! We have been eating food and breathing air for all this time when it is not NEEDED!
Think of all the money that you people wasted on food! Saps.
Where are all the links that you should provide when offering a thread so that it is not just based loosley on speculation and opinion?
Do you need me too provide links as too why we need too breath and eat food in order too survive? Or will just holdng your breath be evidence enough for you that it is not needed?
I propose a study soulstone....
You hold your breath for more than ten minutes, underwater, video it and post it on youtube for all of us.
Some people just start threads for the sake of starting threads, why not post this nonsense where it should be?
I bet that if the point system didn't exist we wouldn't see rubbish like this on here.
Fox.
(I will give you credit for one thing though...I think you may have held your breath for a little longer than 5 mins.)
People can not survive with out water
People can not survive with just the rays from the sun
People can not survive with out air
Why do we have lungs if they are not needed?
Why do we have a stomach?
Why do we need a digestive system at all?
Why do some people have brains when they don't use them?
Why do athletes breath heavily after running the 100M sprint?
We should be just heads in a glass jar.
Or as some other people clearly demonstrate a head contained in something else.
It's all a conspiracy I tell you! We have been eating food and breathing air for all this time when it is not NEEDED!
Think of all the money that you people wasted on food! Saps.
Where are all the links that you should provide when offering a thread so that it is not just based loosley on speculation and opinion?
Do you need me too provide links as too why we need too breath and eat food in order too survive? Or will just holdng your breath be evidence enough for you that it is not needed?
I propose a study soulstone....
You hold your breath for more than ten minutes, underwater, video it and post it on youtube for all of us.
Some people just start threads for the sake of starting threads, why not post this nonsense where it should be?
I bet that if the point system didn't exist we wouldn't see rubbish like this on here.
Fox.
(I will give you credit for one thing though...I think you may have held your breath for a little longer than 5 mins.)
reply to post by fox_3000au
Hmm, well I don't care for the points on here. I am here to share and learn from people. I respect you but you only ever seem to show me hostility and I do not know why. It is a curious thing how someone can have such ill regard for another person because they think themselves superior. It is rude and needs to stop. All I have seen from you on here are condescending threads and arrogant tones. So the question I have for you is. Why are you here? I was simply asking if people thought it was possible to survive off of raw energy. I am not doing this. I simply do not feel the need to breathe when in a meditative state. It is just the cessation of breath.
Must we be a victim to the physical self? This is what I am wondering. Can we go above the limits our physical vessel has placed? Is the nature of the soul more powerful than the raw gross body?
[edit on 13-10-2008 by Soulstone]
Hmm, well I don't care for the points on here. I am here to share and learn from people. I respect you but you only ever seem to show me hostility and I do not know why. It is a curious thing how someone can have such ill regard for another person because they think themselves superior. It is rude and needs to stop. All I have seen from you on here are condescending threads and arrogant tones. So the question I have for you is. Why are you here? I was simply asking if people thought it was possible to survive off of raw energy. I am not doing this. I simply do not feel the need to breathe when in a meditative state. It is just the cessation of breath.
Must we be a victim to the physical self? This is what I am wondering. Can we go above the limits our physical vessel has placed? Is the nature of the soul more powerful than the raw gross body?
[edit on 13-10-2008 by Soulstone]
Originally posted by asmeone2[/i
Now what I have heard is that these people somehow learned to convert sunlight into the kind of e nergy the body needs...
Like SUPERMAN!
Soulstone that's effing awesome though. This feeling has happened to me under the influence of a certain leaf, I just 'forgot' to breathe and I swear I must have gone several minutes without.
Keep up the meditation brother, it's hearing about stuff like this that keeps me motivated to do the same.
reply to post by asmeone2
That is very interesting. I'm not quite sure how a conversion of such energy would take place. Do you have anymore information about it? I think we could all use a break from the financial woes amplified by the food and drink prices.
That is very interesting. I'm not quite sure how a conversion of such energy would take place. Do you have anymore information about it? I think we could all use a break from the financial woes amplified by the food and drink prices.
reply to post by Soulstone
5 whole minutes without a breath? I think you already did the damage tbh.
5 whole minutes without a breath? I think you already did the damage tbh.
reply to post by Gamechanger
Thank you. I have been no stranger to this particular leaf as well . Not for many years though. I am sure what I am doing is not converting any type of energy or living off pure prana. That is just how it feels and perhaps that is the next step if such things exist. At this point it seems to be the relaxed state combined with a focused mind (and at the same time unfocused, by forgetting to breathe lol) that achieves this effect. I don't consider it anything useful but it helps to withdraw from the physical body and focus on a more subtle body.
It is very likely that these myths of the saints came from a small dose of truth, being the practices of pranayama yoga. Perhaps those who have studied this science of breath were able to stay under the water for 20 minutes similar to magicians like David Blaine and rumors and untruths spread.
Thank you. I have been no stranger to this particular leaf as well . Not for many years though. I am sure what I am doing is not converting any type of energy or living off pure prana. That is just how it feels and perhaps that is the next step if such things exist. At this point it seems to be the relaxed state combined with a focused mind (and at the same time unfocused, by forgetting to breathe lol) that achieves this effect. I don't consider it anything useful but it helps to withdraw from the physical body and focus on a more subtle body.
It is very likely that these myths of the saints came from a small dose of truth, being the practices of pranayama yoga. Perhaps those who have studied this science of breath were able to stay under the water for 20 minutes similar to magicians like David Blaine and rumors and untruths spread.
reply to post by YourForever
I estimate it to be anywhere around 3-5 minutes. I said 5 minutes as an estimate just because I do not time this with a stop watch. I have heard of swimmers that can do more than this easily.
I estimate it to be anywhere around 3-5 minutes. I said 5 minutes as an estimate just because I do not time this with a stop watch. I have heard of swimmers that can do more than this easily.
I remember when I was younger, can't remember how old, but definately less than three. I was on the beach and I decided to go into the sea. For some
strange reason, I decided to lie down in the sea and roll around. I was there for a long time, at least over a minute, and I was completely under the
water, but, I didn't know how to hold my breath. I don't even remember holding my breath.
I personally don't think there's nothing mystical or paranormal about people holding their breath for 20 minutes.
Granted, its an astonishing feat, but nothing people can't do with a some training and practice.
www.cnn.com...:
"Blaine held his breath for 17 minutes and 4 seconds. That bested the previous record of 16 minutes and 32 seconds, set February 10 by Switzerland's Peter Colat, according to Guinness World Records."
And I'm sure if we wanted to, we could do it for longer as well, it'll just take alot of mental discipline.
[edit on 14-10-2008 by skyblueff0]
Granted, its an astonishing feat, but nothing people can't do with a some training and practice.
www.cnn.com...:
"Blaine held his breath for 17 minutes and 4 seconds. That bested the previous record of 16 minutes and 32 seconds, set February 10 by Switzerland's Peter Colat, according to Guinness World Records."
And I'm sure if we wanted to, we could do it for longer as well, it'll just take alot of mental discipline.
[edit on 14-10-2008 by skyblueff0]
Interesting thread to be sure...
I had no idea the record was 17 minutes...wow!
Also in defense of the OP..... we have an Appendix yet that doesnt work....but we still have those inside us. Since through evolution and cooking our food we no longer need the Appendix to process our raw meat.
So, I think after long periods of time and if evolution were to take a certain turn... then yes its possible that in the future we could outgrow the need for stomachs or lungs.
Probable.... no...possible... yes.
I too have often pondered the possibility of freeing the body of the need for the "physical necessities". I can slow my breathing..but I am unable to stop it....And I cannot hold my breath for more than minute and a half or so(20 years of smoking cigs did that, quit those in January this year).
I say keep practicing.. just like with ANYTHING else the more you do it the better you will get. then take what you have learned and teach it to others.
Thanks for your time,
Tone
I had no idea the record was 17 minutes...wow!
Also in defense of the OP..... we have an Appendix yet that doesnt work....but we still have those inside us. Since through evolution and cooking our food we no longer need the Appendix to process our raw meat.
So, I think after long periods of time and if evolution were to take a certain turn... then yes its possible that in the future we could outgrow the need for stomachs or lungs.
Probable.... no...possible... yes.
I too have often pondered the possibility of freeing the body of the need for the "physical necessities". I can slow my breathing..but I am unable to stop it....And I cannot hold my breath for more than minute and a half or so(20 years of smoking cigs did that, quit those in January this year).
I say keep practicing.. just like with ANYTHING else the more you do it the better you will get. then take what you have learned and teach it to others.
Thanks for your time,
Tone
Interesting thought Soulstone and I feel I might be able to shed some light on how and why this phenomenon is possible (although it basically requires
the belief that anything and everything is possible).
Those who have learnt to do the impossible - particularly those things which science tells us we will die from - have either consciously or subconsciously overcome the illusion that we live in. According to the Gnostics, Buddhists and other ancient traditions, this material world is a Maya - an illusion! That we need to breathe, eat, drink and sleep are part of the illusion but our material minds are so conditioned by the illusory existence to believe that we must breathe, eat, drink and sleep to survive that if we don't do those things, our mind causes our death.
This can be perfectly explained by the part in The Matrix film where Neo asks: "If you die in the Matrix, do you die in the real world?". He is told: "Yes, the body cannot survive without the mind."
Those who have learnt to do the impossible - particularly those things which science tells us we will die from - have either consciously or subconsciously overcome the illusion that we live in. According to the Gnostics, Buddhists and other ancient traditions, this material world is a Maya - an illusion! That we need to breathe, eat, drink and sleep are part of the illusion but our material minds are so conditioned by the illusory existence to believe that we must breathe, eat, drink and sleep to survive that if we don't do those things, our mind causes our death.
This can be perfectly explained by the part in The Matrix film where Neo asks: "If you die in the Matrix, do you die in the real world?". He is told: "Yes, the body cannot survive without the mind."
Originally posted by Cythraul
This can be perfectly explained by the part in The Matrix film where Neo asks: "If you die in the Matrix, do you die in the real world?". He is told: "Yes, the body cannot survive without the mind."
I always feel corny quoting movies... but as they say art mimics life...and if there ever was a fitting movie for this topic; The Matrix would be one of those.
"there is no spoon" as generic as it may be.... is still relevant. As you said one must learn to recondition themselves to the new desired thought or process. Of course if it was that easy Monks would'nt spend they're entire lives trying to achieve it.
[edit on 10/14/2008 by TONE23]
reply to post by Soulstone
They are all myths. The human need for breath is well-documented.
It is not possible to survive of 'energy' alone, as human bodies need oxygen to burn our food into actual usable energy.
I'd put money on you being able to control your breathing, that's all. And that's a well-documented mundane physical trait many millions of people around the world share.
They are all myths. The human need for breath is well-documented.
It is not possible to survive of 'energy' alone, as human bodies need oxygen to burn our food into actual usable energy.
I'd put money on you being able to control your breathing, that's all. And that's a well-documented mundane physical trait many millions of people around the world share.
reply to post by Cythraul
I am very interested in Maya. I remember something to this effect when I was reading the Bhagavad Gita sophomore year of high school, several years ago.
I actually just got back from a meditation session when I did the pranayama hold and stopped my breathing. It was a very long time. I soon noticed that everything stilled to a complete stop. My heart didn't seem to be beating, I could not longer hear it in my ears and felt no need to breathe. I simply just was. Time and space seemed to slow and I saw myself in everything and everyone. The essence was identical to the essence within everything.
I am very interested in Maya. I remember something to this effect when I was reading the Bhagavad Gita sophomore year of high school, several years ago.
I actually just got back from a meditation session when I did the pranayama hold and stopped my breathing. It was a very long time. I soon noticed that everything stilled to a complete stop. My heart didn't seem to be beating, I could not longer hear it in my ears and felt no need to breathe. I simply just was. Time and space seemed to slow and I saw myself in everything and everyone. The essence was identical to the essence within everything.
I know you can live without food, I didn't know you could survive without water or air.
For more info look up Breatharism.
If you hold your breath for too long then you should notice it.
Or someone else, for that matter.
If you start feeling dizzy or going red, then it's harming you, but apart from that, it shouldn't be dangerous.
I would, however, advise people not to try this at home! Especially not burying your head into sand or under water....
BB,
Samuel
For more info look up Breatharism.
If you hold your breath for too long then you should notice it.
Or someone else, for that matter.
If you start feeling dizzy or going red, then it's harming you, but apart from that, it shouldn't be dangerous.
I would, however, advise people not to try this at home! Especially not burying your head into sand or under water....
BB,
Samuel
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