'Capitalism' IS conspiracy. Make all business non-profit to stop war & starvation & poverty

Originally posted by Constitutional Scholar
reply to post by counterterrorist

 

95% of businesses make less than $200,000??????????
Could you post a credible source to back that up?

I got your post mixed up with Gateway's - www.abovetopsecret.com...

He was speaking about small business in America, so when I replied to you, I was referring to small business in America.

On the debates the other night on national TV Obama stated that 95% of the small business in America earned under $200,000 or $250,000 dollars.

That's what I was referring to. I thought I was talking to Gateway about small business, because I confused your post with his.

Sorry about the confusion.

My mistake.


[edit on 18-10-2008 by counterterrorist]

reply to post by counterterrorist


Obama seldom has any facts to back up his comments.

You dont actually believe what he said do you?

Originally posted by Constitutional Scholar
reply to post by counterterrorist

 

Obama seldom has any facts to back up his comments.

You dont actually believe what he said do you?

I think Obama and McCain are lackey dumbed down puppets of the Fed & City of London who have already sold out to the Fed/City of London -- which is why Obama and McCain don't talk about the only thing that would immediately fix the U.S. -- returning the money-issuing power to the publicly owned U.S. Treasury and taking it away from the private bankers who now control the U.S. and the rest of the world and stopping fractional banking and stopping interest and having the publicly owned U.S. treasury lend money to U.S. citizens at no interest.

Make all business nonprofit corporations to stop war & starvation and poverty. To stop evil, take the profit out of it.

The biggest companies are nonprofits ... Bill Gates Foundation (Warren Oates is bequeathing his fortune to that foundation).

Nonprofit corporations DO MAKE PROFITS -- they're called non-profits because they're not allowed to sell stock and enrich venture capitalists.

What do you and I have in common. Are you for a publicly owned U.S. Central bank ... or are you for the privately-owned Fed?

Originally posted by Constitutional Scholar
reply to post by counterterrorist

 

Obama seldom has any facts to back up his comments.

You dont actually believe what he said do you?

I think Obama and McCain are lackey dumbed down puppets of the Fed & City of London who have already sold out to the Fed/City of London -- which is why Obama and McCain don't talk about the only thing that would immediately fix the U.S. -- returning the money-issuing power to the publicly owned U.S. Treasury and taking it away from the private bankers who now control the U.S. and the rest of the world and stopping fractional banking and stopping interest and having the publicly owned U.S. treasury lend money to U.S. citizens at no interest.

Make all business nonprofit corporations to stop war & starvation and poverty. To stop evil, take the profit out of it.

The biggest companies are nonprofits ... Bill Gates Foundation (Warren Oates is bequeathing his fortune to that foundation).

Nonprofit corporations DO MAKE PROFITS -- they're called non-profits because they're not allowed to sell stock and enrich venture capitalists.

What do you and I have in common. Are you for a publicly owned U.S. Central bank ... or are you for the privately-owned Fed?

"Capitalism" is now officially a smear word, it seems. For those few people out there who can be reached, listen to me: Capitalism is free trade. A trade is a voluntary agreement which benefits both parties. That's it, period. How that can be a "conspiracy", or "evil" is beyond me. It is simply free men deciding their own fate.

The dilemma these free men face is the gullibility of the masses. To turn a crowd anti-capitalist is all too easy. To each, according to his industry .. is how a capitalist views the world. The result - some get rich, some don't - superficially, an unfair system. Fueled by this disparity, the mob can be steered like cattle. It seems ironic that freedom eventually leads to a lack of freedom, but that's the way it is. The only way to avoid this paradox is to prevent a man from gaining control of his fellow man. The Magna Carta was only a half solution - protection against tyrants. But what about protection from the mob?

Unfortunately, most of the posters here are not thinkers. They are the mob and don't even realize it. Re-evaluate exactly what you think capitalism is - and what, if any examples of it you see today. Careful thought will show that it is a most endangered ideology - and for good reason. Free men are dangerous!

To all the anti-capitalists out there who supposedly love peace, remember this famous quote:

“When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will.” -Frederic Bastiat

Man will always do what is in his best interest. When men trade with one another, they benefit from each other's well-being. Peace is a natural byproduct of trade - despite what your college professor might tell you. There's a good reason China and the U.S. will never obliterate each other.

Guidance.Is.Internal: To all the anti-capitalists out there who supposedly love peace, remember this famous quote: “When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will.” -Frederic Bastiat

counterterrorist: Sounds like a typical NWO threat, typical extortion by the NWO in making this current financial crises the 3rd Pearl Harbor while they distract us and slip in a new world currency. What do you think, is a one world currency a good thing?

A one world currency along with making issuing and trading stock ILLEGAL would be great, that way lazy non-working non-laboring capitalists can not profit by sucking the blood of those who work.

Guidance.Is.Internal: Man will always do what is in his best interest.

counterterrorist: agreed. but he will also always do what is in his worst interest.

Guidance.Is.Internal: : When men trade with one another, they benefit from each other's well-being.

counterterrorist: that has nothing to do with issuing stocks or not, and taking the profit out of murder. Besides, when men trade w/one another, they also benefit from murder, starvation, war, genocide, oil/credit/slave/sex trafficking and money laundering.

Guidance.Is.Internal: Peace is a natural byproduct of trade.

counterterrorist: agreed. but so is economic war i.e. military warfare.

Guidance.Is.Internal: There's a good reason China and the U.S. will never obliterate each other.

counterterrorist: The same reason is why they will.


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counterterrorist: Sounds like a typical NWO threat, typical extortion by the NWO in making this current financial crises the 3rd Pearl Harbor while they distract us and slip in a new world currency. What do you think, is a one world currency a good thing?

A one world currency along with making issuing and trading stock ILLEGAL would be great, that way lazy non-working non-laboring capitalists can not profit by sucking the blood of those who work.

Guidance.Is.Internal: What's wrong with one currency? If you don't like whatever currency is decided upon, trade in gold, dirtbikes, dog turds, whatever strikes your fancy.

You obviously have never traded stocks before - are you aware of how much labor is put into market research before traders take a position? Non-working, Non-laboring? You've got to be kidding me. What, does he have to wear a hardhat and carry a Klein bag in order to fit your criteria for "labor"?

Traders produce "nothing" in the same way a physics researcher produces "nothing". They are idea people. Traders are professional skeptics - trades are made when a disagreement occurs between two parties. Party A believes this widget is worth $5, party B believes it is worth $10. A sells to B. You'd have to be an absolute dunce to think that their market positions are simply pulled out of their respective asses.

counterterrorist: agreed. but he will also always do what is in his worst interest.

Guidance.Is.Internal: You're not a very logical person - that's ok. You can't say that man will always do what is in his worst interest and in his best interest in the same breath. To put a finer point on it - man will always do what he PERCEIVES to be in his best interest.

counterterrorist: that has nothing to do with issuing stocks or not, and taking the profit out of murder. Besides, when men trade w/one another, they also benefit from murder, starvation, war, genocide, oil/credit/slave/sex trafficking and money laundering.

Guidance.Is.Internal: Sure, and this is a violation of the main tenant of any capitalistic/libertarian framework - man being entitled to life and liberty. To call murder for hire capitalism is blatantly wrong, and demonstrates to me that your basic definitions are incorrect.

counterterrorist: The same reason is why they will.

Guidance.Is.Internal: Do you think that mutually beneficial trade actually puts countries at increased risk of conflict than not trading at all?

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[that it is up to the Government to regulate all markets and prices. This would not be indicative of a free society]

That is the MAIN reason why I would be highly against this .
They already regulate things to death ..at least I think so .
I just dont know though ...some things need to be regulated because its getting out of hand (the Electric Companies,The Oil Barons,credit card companies and their high interest rates etc ) ....but we would need a Gov we could trust (which we may never get ) who wouldnt also have their hand in the basket like they do now (which we will never have lol) ....they should not be allowed to INVEST in anything that they would be responsible for regulating (which will never happen lol) ..maybe that would make it fair ...

Originally posted by harvib
I believe the solutions to our problems lies in major tax reform and Government reform. Not the reformation of the markets.

The solution lies in the elimination of the markets. They are casinos. Eliminate stock ownership and you eliminate the profit motive of the international bankers that control all the central banks and own all the banks that own all the oil companies and own all the military-indusrial companies. Make all companies non-profit, limit their profits to what is backed by the labor ... just like limiting currency backed by gold or silver which is in a limited supply SO CAN'T BE FRACTIONALLY BANKED.

And, what about this, are you familiar w/the TDCC (probably more than I am): see bottom of post at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

In 2007, DTCC settled the vast majority of securities transactions in the United States, more than $1.86 quadrillion in value ... 99% of all stocks in the U.S. appear to be legally owned by them.

and also (at the same url but lacking documentation):

In the US, we have instruments called ETF's. They are generally industry following funds. But each fund has what is called an inverse fund. IOW,

price of an inverse fund goes UP as price of those stocks in the fund goes DOWN.

-- does this help explain why the markets are rocketing and plunging and rocketing so violently lately? ...insider trading. All premeditated in a 3rd Pearl Harbor financial attack. Since the owners of the Fed/City of London/Bundesbank OWN most of the stock and preferred stock in the first place, if they can coordinate the G-8-to-G-20, and they just pulled off this 800 billion dollar robbery of the U.S. taxpayer and are doing the same thing around the world ... none of it would be as possible if all the companies were non-profit and not allowed to issue stock.

Then we'd be left w/sorting out the privately owned companies such as Bechtel and Halliburton that were also co-founded and co-owned by the Fed/City of London Bankers who rely on politicians that are on the take and work for the NWO Fed and City of London interlocking banking directorate that dominates the governments and gives the no-bid contracts to Halliburton and Bechtel and Kroll.