'Capitalism' IS conspiracy. Make all business non-profit to stop war & starvation & poverty

'Capitalism' IS conspiracy. Make all business non-profit to eliminate stock mkt gambling.

The ONLY difference between a for profit and a non-profit business is that a non-profit can't issue stock.

THE INVESTMENT Banks OWN 99% of all the stock, NOT the public!
When an IPO happens the trading is RESTRICTED TO BANKS for the first day(s)! The BANKS value the stock in the first place, then bid it up among themselves from $15/share to $80/share THEN the public is allowed to buy it, then the prices drop back down 99.99999% of the time! That's legalized capitalism conspiracy, folks.

AND LOOK WHAT IT GOT US -- using socialism and communism to bail out capitalism.

To stop the conspiracy of capitalism -- SINCE CAPITALISM HAS FAILED IN AMERICA -- nationalize ALL businesses now! Make them non-profits. That will end naked short selling, short selling, and redistribute wealth equally taking it from the 1% of capitalists who own 99.99% of everything

...and create jobs for 100% of U.S. citizens --

WHY IS G.M. BROKE? ...because conspiratorial capitalists bled it dry by putting all the profits into its pockets. Now G.M. wants to borrow from the Fed? THAT'S NOT CAPITALISM, IT'S SOCIALISM for the rich! IT'S COMMUNISM for the rich! Stealing the labor of the poor and systematically depriving the poor and middle class from wealth.

IT'S TIME TO END centralized wealth into the pockets of the rich 1%, it's time to END capitalism and replace it with non-profit business to help us and help all mankind! GET RID OF THE THIEVES!

Capitalism is a failed conspiracy! It's time to convert the capitalistic for-profit NWO of cannibalism into a NON-PROFIT system so NO ONE CAN ROB US ANYMORE!

Why is the U.S. broke? ...because conspiratorial capitalist bankers have sucked dry all of the money into (their own) PRIVATE NOT PUBLIC pockets.

TO STOP WAR, TAKE THE PROFIT OUT OF KILLING.

To care for ourselves and our children and the family of (wo)mankind, TAKE THE PROFIT out of starvation, take the profit out of getting rid of jobs, out of sending jobs overseas.

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Well said, it is time to end the global greed

Nothing to add to this. S&F.

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That will end naked short selling, short selling, and redistribute wealth equally taking it from the 1% of capitalists who own 99.99% of everything

Errr... I know the media has been very active in blaming speculators for the recent decline in the market however it is unfounded. Furthermore short selling is a natural extension of a free market and does have benefits to a distressed market. For example when a short sale is made the seller is required to buy that same equity in the future. When a person simply liquidates their holdings they may or may not enter back into the market.

We either need to decide that we are for a free market or we are not. If we are not, we must concede that it is up to the Government to regulate all markets and prices. This would not be indicative of a free society.

I believe the solutions to our problems lies in major tax reform and Government reform. Not the reformation of the markets.

How can you blame capitalism for todays problems, when we've been moving away from capitalism for over a century?

What we have today is not capitalism. What we have today is corporatism. And corporatism is wrong, it uses the government and such as a way of furthering itself, rather than providing better products and services.

I have no problem with people working for profits and things to improve themselves. It's allowing dishonest practices and then bailing people out at the expense of the people that has to stop.

If we had a capitalistic system, the fed wouldn't and couldn't exist. They wouldn't be there to feed the military industrial complex. You don't think the MIC exists because of capitalism do you? It exists because of corporatism. Otherwise known as fascism.

What you call greed, I call the incentive to work and create goods and services.

If there is no reward or dividend for excellence, why would anyone create or build or strive? For the public good?

Go down to the DMV and take a look at the clerks behind the counter. That's what you get when people have no interest in the institution's wellfare---a lazy, disdainful attitude.

Just compare that with the kids in a fast-food restaurant. They cannot get the orders right, or deliver them on time. But they don't care; why should they---they get paid the same whether the store gets any customers or not. So, why is every excellent restaurant a mom & pop operation? I'll tell you why, it's because mom & pop have sunk their retirement into their italian restaurant or steak place or whatever, and will work all day every day if it means you'll just have a good time and come again.

What you call greed is really just consequence. If you remove the consequences of bad workmanship, all you get is crap. It's bad enough how much consequence has been removed from workers in modern society, which is why we have shoddy goods.

If you want to gripe about big business, I'm right there with you. But you're throwing out the baby with the corporate bathwater.

It is small businesses which lift an economy out of recession. They respond faster to changing market conditions. But you're attacing them for using the same business model as IBM and Microsoft. If you wanted to post about how to tell the difference, I'd by happy to contribute.

All the best.

Counterterrorist, Badmedia and DrStrangecraft - great arguments, all around!

I look forward to reading the other responses to this intriguing thread.

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This OP is the craziest thing I ever heard. Businesses for non-profit. Who is going to put up the capital to start them if there is no profit. Nationalize everything. That is just straight communism. That worked really well in Russia didnt it?

My literal translation of greed.

Greed = Wanting more than you need.

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. Hold on there.

Capitalism is not a conspiracy. Capitalism hasn't failed. There are lots of problems and reasons for why we are in this mess. For one corporations have rights, businesses shouldn't have rights. Businesses should have laws to follow. The fiat money system is another problem the fiat money system hasn't ever worked and has always failed.

There are lots of things you can contribute to this mess we are in but capitalism is not one of them.

Like justsomeboreddude said above me what you just described is communism.

Heck, China is even moving to a more capitalist market and in fact they have the highest rate of growth in history. The only reason the goods in China are crap is because of the socialist part of the equation.

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Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
For one corporations have rights, businesses shouldn't have rights. Businesses should have laws to follow.

YES! It's so nice when someone gets that. Corporations are soul-less beings. Giving them the same rights as a human is part of the corporatism.

I think that most folks confuse Capitalism with a free market economy. Capitalism = the rule of capital. It means that a private central bank controls a nations money supply and so the expansion or contraction of the economy. Of course the people in power will always use such incredible control to benefit themselves. We’re seeing it right now with a collapsing bubble that was created by credit being made far too available. When the bubble collapses, those in control move in and buy up assets at rock bottom prices, and so increase their power and control. It’s a cycle we’ve seen over and over since 1913 when the Fed came into being.

In a free market economy, the way the USA was designed , the peoples representatives control the issuance of money, and it is backed by a real commodity, like precious metals. There is no need for a nation to borrow money at interest from private banks that print it up out of nothing. In a free market republic, the issuance of money follows the growth of the economy, insuring slow and steady growth rather than boom and bust cycles, and eliminating inflation, which is just issuing more money than the economy really needs.

As to the OP’s assertion , proper self interest is the bedrock foundation of a healthy economy, as dr strangecraft ably pointed out. That, combined with a morality that limits losses due to theft, fraud and gov corruption, provides an environment in which people can confidently invest their time, energy and resources, and be rewarded for their hard work. This is the type of situation that allows real prosperity.

IMO, Capitalism/Communism are just two sides of the dialectic box that the big money boys use to keep you confined. Control both sides of the discussion, and you control the outcome or resolution of the conflict. Thesis + antithesis = synthesis. Problem - reaction - solution. Order out of chaos. Time to think outside of the box folks.

edit for clearer line of thought

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Just a side note here.
The USA is NOT a Capitalistic society. The vast majority of people are NOT Capitalists.

A Capitalist is someone who makes money via owning-property and capital generate income.

The rest of us are wage slaves. Socialism in itself is a great idea. Just isn't possible IMO as it requires everyone to be self-less and willing to do what is needed. Something which seems impossible anymore.'

Important services such as health care should be government run as a 'market' approach involves reducing cost and maximization of profit. Concepts which should have no place in determining if people live or die.

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Ugh, we somehow hit it at the same time, I had been sitting re-phrasing over and over (and doing work between mods).... bleh

As I understand it Socialism is to blame for the current economic woes not Capitalism. In a capitalistic society the banks and the corporations that could not turn a profit would of failed a long time ago. Instead our treasonous government has committed my tax dollars to corporate welfare ensuring no CEO goes without a silver spoon.

Anyone who has ever read the communist manifesto can tell you that the USA has taken some dark drastic slow and steady step away from a free trade capitalistic society toward a communist socialist society.

No sir... I had my own business once . I could break even but I had trouble turning a profit. After awhile I closed up shop. I plan to try again at some point and when I do I intend to turn a profit for myself and nobody else. My work is MINE! I own it and I insist on fair compensation for it. I do not work for free nor do I work for someone else I work for me and it ends their comrade.

Viva Capitalism.

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Here here....most people in this country are employed by small businesses, not by CORPORATIONS. These small businesses are providing jobs, and that is capitalism, along with profit as the motive to provide people with products, while being compensated. They provide YOU with a service and in return YOU as the consumer decide if his/her business will succeed, you vote each time you make a purchase.

Usually, there are three types of people that speak of socialism.

1) Do not have past a high school education of basic economics.

2) Have never employed others, and never had responsibility that goes with running a business.

3) Inherently envious of others people's successes, and feel that everyone must be equal. And prefer to punish those that work hard by redistributing their wealth through higher taxes to those that are less productive in society.




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It’s all good.

But if socialism doesn’t work, is it really a good idea? You may ascribe good intentions to it if you wish, but a well intentioned engineer who builds a crappy automobile should be out of business. The free market is about a competition of not just things but ideas, with those that succeed progressing, and those that fail being left behind to be learned from.

Capitalism isn't the problem. It's corrupt individuals who take advantage who are the problem.

Capitalism in it's truest form is barterism. If that's a word.

Imagine a world of anarchy with no kind of oversight. What you have to trade will be viewed as your worth, and your worth will be valued by how much others want what you have. This is the basic premise of capitalism. I happen to be a fan of it.

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Capitalism IS a conspiracy. The interlocking directorate of the privately Federal Reserve owns ALL the capital and simply lends it to the banks who lend it to you.

The ONLY difference between a for profit and a non-profit business is that a non-profit can't issue stock. AND the board of directors can't profit in any way aside in any others businesses as a result of their involvement w/the nonprofit. PERFECT!!!!!

The publicly owned U.S. Treasury should issue our money, and charge no interest.

CAPITALISM IS THE THEFT VIA INTEREST that is only backed up by robbery and looting via war. THAT'S what you're investing in. Murder.

Look at it another way. Stanford University and Stanford University Hospital are nonprofit corporations. Bill Gates Foundation is a nonprofit organization. That means they can't issue shares AND IT MEANS THAT THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS CAN USE IT TO GET THEMSELVES RICH by any way in their involvement w/the nonprofit.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH ALL THE colleges and universities and most of the hospitals in the U.S. being non-profit organizations? NOTHING!

TAKE THE PROFIT OUT OF WAR AND THERE WILL BE NO WAR!

Originally posted by Gateway

Here here....most people in this country are employed by small businesses, not by CORPORATIONS. These small businesses are providing jobs, and that is capitalism

PRECISELY ... THEY DO NOT ISSUE STOCK, THEY ONLY ENRICH THEMSELVES, NOT AN INTERLOCKING CORPORATE BOARD that is mastered by the private owners of the Fed who own ALL the banks that own ALL the oil companies and MOST of the military-industrial complex AND the cigarette industry.

Do you know all of the universities are nonprofit corporations NOT FOR PROFIT corporations? THERE IS NO NEED TO ISSUE STOCK, IT CREATES WAR, STARVATION AND POVERTY.

Usually, there are three types of people that speak of socialism.

1) Do not have past a high school education of basic economics.

Yes, like Rockefellor and Harriman who funded socialism in Russia and socialism in Nazi Germany and socialism during the Roosevelt years.

ALL WE HAVE IS SOCIALISM AND WELFARE FOR THE SUPER RICH, the middle class and working class and upper class is thrown to the dogs. You don't have to go to school at all to figure that one out.

THE MONEY-ISSUE CLASS ARE THE CAPITALISTS -- you (we) are the wage slaves!!!

And prefer to punish those that work hard by redistributing their wealth through higher taxes to those that are less productive in society.

NON-PROFIT CORPORATIONS ONLY ARE THE SALVATION OF AMERICA!


Remove the ability to sell stock (IPOs are financed by venture capitalist bankers NOT by working people, middle class, or upper class) -- by BANKERS who now have gone bankrupt by stealing and counterfeiting and by fractional banking!

What is up there in your noggin? What do you use for a heart?

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