Hitler

Posted on the old board by George10

dit anybody know that hitler not dided in germany. he simulated the dead in germany in that bunker he then go to south america.

i read this on a webpage of the FBI classified files of femous people
that files are now declassified

foia.fbi.gov/famous.htm

Reply on the old board by Kano

Well, Hitler isnt on that list, but his page is here:

foia.fbi.gov/hitler.htm

Also, the intro to that page says:

Reports were received in 1933 that persons in New York City were involved in an alleged plot to assassinate Hitler. Following World War II, unconfirmed information was received for years from various sources about the possible whereabouts of Hitler.

Read a little harder, or preface your posts with 'maybe'.

Reply on the old board by joyenter

YES, HITLER WAS A GENIUS.
He was at the right place the right time. There was a depression in Germany, there was no work and no food. Hitler gave the people food and work when they building his warmachine. Without Hitler no freeway, no Beetle.

Reply on the old board by drudgejr

i disagree, i think hitler was not crazy, but i think he was stupid. he made several military blunders, however he knew exaclty what he was doing with the genocide and occultism

Reply on the old board by kenton

I just talked about this in school. We all decided that Hitler was a good leader. He was. Look at how much power he acheived. But unfortunately did some horrible things. It's interesting to read about the various experiments he performed. No offense to any Jews, I do not agree with or glorify what Hitler did to your ancestors.

Reply on the old board by wetdog

the fact that he came to power completely legally is crazy... i cant believe that.. that kinda makes you think about bush doesnt it haha

Reply on the old board by joyenter

I�m sorry if I offended any one here, I�m not trying to make him a hero and there is no excuse for what he did to the Jews doing WWII. Yes Hitler was a great leader, but as so many other great leaders he had a dark side by execute the Jews.

Reply on the old board by TheEXone

He was a bad leader, a good leader leads his people to something great by showing them the way. He lead his people to darkness and hate, through scapegoats and manipulation. When will people learn that he didn't off 6 million jews, he murdered 6 million HUMANS, every person on earth should take offense to what he did, because he did it to us.

Reply on the old board by Garatron

He was put into power,yes appointed, as a joint ruler who suppossedly could be easily controlled. When he burned down his own government building, it gave him the excuse to seize total control, declare marshall law, and execute the opposing polital party members. All stemming from a "terrorist attack" he created himself, and promised to deliver the people from this threat, in exchange for total loyalty.
Does history repeat itself?

Reply on the old board by MidnightDStroyer

Actually, I think that there were very few people in history that understood the psychology of power the way that Hitler understood it. Sure, he abused that power more than he used it, but look at what he actually did for Germany: Here was a defeated, bankrupt country that had no industrial base, demoralized citizens & was constantly under the thumb of those countries that defeated them in WW I yet he took them to the edge of world domination within just a few years.

Of course, once he *had* that power, he abused it mightily...For example, who knows how far Germany could have gotten if Hitler *didn't* expend a lot of resources for his own personal failings (Like exterminating the Jews)? If he'd been a bit more benevolent with his power (Instead of going mad with it), the 4th Reich might be dominating the world today.

All in all, I still think the world is lucky & should be grateful that Hitler was a nincompoop...

Reply on the old board by Xerox

Whats the fuzz? we are no better than hitler!

everybody crys about him killing 6 million people, ofcourse not a nice thing to do!

But; Who here ownes a car, a coutch, a tv a lamp in the house, a fridge, cds, nylons, make-up, nikes, eats salads from plastic cups, goes to mc donalds..owns a computer, a plastic chair, who eats tuna fish, etc...

why do i ask? becouse of our luxiourious lifestyle we kill people and animals everyday! Think about it, who has a diamont somewhere in a ring or neckless?? the probability that a jong boy in Sierra Leone died for that same piece of rock is verry high!

so why are we saying that hitler is a bad person? yes he was/is evil thinking beeing, but we are no better folks...we want a cheap ride in our car, anyone remebers the pictures of siberia's pipelines? oiltanker slamming against the rocks of the galapagos islands? Who are we to judge a human if we keep our blindfold up becouse we dont want to see the pain and destruction we bring to our own brothers and sisters in the 2nd and 3rd world???

i know why.. its becouse they live on the other side of the world and we can say, oh childwork? atleast they have work and thats an economy..
yeah right!

so hitler was a freaking #bag, but so am i and everybody else...

Reply on the old board by Ocelot

Hitler was indeed an evil man. But we all have to make a desicion as to how we are going to "live" our lives. Everybody chooses his/her own path. He chose to become a monster. He will go down in history as the example of how low hummanity will go to achieve power. He was and still is an example of how horrible and cruel the human race can be. Would I call him a genious? No.

I remember when I first learned of WW2 in History Class when I was very young. When I saw the pictures of the holocaust, the death, the destruction, the chaos. I was very disturbed by it. I couldn't believe that this really happened. All those people murdered.

I'm 22 years old now and I still find it difficult to watch those documentaries they show on WW2 on the history channel. But I do watch them. For me it's a way of not forgetting what happened.

Xerox made the comment that we are all #bags.....that we are all no better than him. I don't agree with you, but you have the right to your opinion. You have choice to make on how you want to live your life. Sure the are problems in the world. And we are very very far from being perfect. But trying to compare all of us to him is one of the most horrible things you could ever say. We all have our flaws but don't put all of us on the same boat.

Reply on the old board by TheEXone

Perhaps standing by while evil occurs in the world is wrong. Hell that what allowed millions to be masacred, no one stood up and did something. But that not in a million years adds up the the evil he did. You Xerox may choose to put yourself on his level, but I won't. Oh, and I do plan to do something about our problems. Telling people they are # and comparing them to hitler isn't going to get them to change their ways.

Reply on the old board by Xerox

I didnt mean that we are all # bags,.. i meant it in a look whos judging matter. ofcourse hitler and the man and women around him were driven by pure eveil, and eating tunafish is not. But it strikes me some times how people can be so easely of judging with others, without thinking about their own results they inflict indirectly. I heard on the news that every day 24.000 people die of food shortage,.. it is our responsebility. not our goverments ours..

i didnt mean the part of us beeing #bags and i hope i didnt offend anybody with that.. i myself am desperatly trying to get out of this system, and exone, i hope we can do something about it, hitler may have been an evil tool, but i hope we can learn from that tool.

Make love not war always had a sweet ring to it..

Reply on the old board by WarC

I don't know where to begin, so I'll just dive right in.

- Most Germans had no idea hitler was killing off millions of jews.

-In order to fully understand Hitler, you have to see what the GERMANS saw, not what WE see. WE see the raving maniac screaming aggressive speeches and planning deviously. Ther Germans saw alot different.

-Hitler WAS a genius...and not ALL geniuses are good, obviously. He was also a sick, corrupted man.

-Christians have killed more people in the name of God than Hitler could ever have attempted (All 6 of the Crusades comes to mind).

If the Pres. decided one day to announce that he would throw out all the Mexicans, 90% of us would be screaming his praises. It was the same for the Germans. I can vouch this personally - My Grandfather was a Lieutenant in the German army in '44, and he told me (Through an interpreter) that he had NEVER known about the extermination of the Jews. I completely believe him. He later studied law and history, and became a Supreme Court Justice for his state, Baden-Wurtemburg. His name is Carl Soergal, if you think I'm lying my ass off, you can look him up LOL.

Reply on the old board by TheEXone

There is a difference between not knowing, and choosing not to know. I refuse to believe that Germans did not know something sinister was up when millions started to disapear. For over ten years Jews were persecuted before the "final solution" was put in place, so people should have known things would get worse. People share responsibility when leaders do wrong things. The german people should have opposed the Holocaust, just as the American people should have opposed slavery, and racism before the 1960s.

Hitler was a master of retoric, and mass manipulation. He knew how to play on peoples fears to get them to do what he wanted. However history proved that his arrogance, and incopetence in military matters helped the Germans loose the war.

As for 90% of us being happy with the expeling of all mexican's, I totally disagree. While an etreemist and racist few may support it, most would not support kicking out all people of mexican decent. If you are talking about illegal immigrants possibly, but mexican U.S citizens, and legal immigrants never. The constitution prevents such a thing from happening.

Reply on the old board by TheEXone

Choosing not to know? How exactly they were solving the 'Jewish Problem' was not even recorded in official documents sent to Hitler! (Which has stemmed the belief among some that Hitler didn't actually know either, but thats complete idiocy) The average German factory worker only heard "The Jewish problem is being solved!" on the news broadcast and newspapers. This is German propaganda. Sure Jews were dissappearing from they might have easily moved or fled right? Entire peoples moving and fleeing is not an uncommon thing to see in history. That what the average German thought. My Grandfather spent 4 years in a Hitler Youth Camp, and not even through the lessons on Aryan supremicy and German strength was the extermination of the Jewish people taught or examined. The German propaganda machine completely erased it from the publics eyes, just as all this 'Secret Government' stuff is whisked away from the average American.

But, I'd just like to clarify to those who may take me wrongly - Yes, I know the Holocaust occured. I am not trying to lesson the impact or the tragedy this event had on humanity. I am just trying to limit un-neccesary criticism and harrassment of the vast majority of Germans, who knew nothing about the extermination of the Jews.

As for the "90 percent" comment, I realize that IS an out of place thing to say. I'm a butthead, I guess.

P.S. Vagina.

Reply on the old board by 22point25

this is my opinion on hitler, so don't go accusing me of being a 'know all'

Hitler knew how to get things done. The remarkable turn around of Germany from World War 1 into World War 2 is based solely on Hitler. He came into power, and said to the people 'I can get the economy going. Join the SS Brigade and we can get back on our feet. Damn those Jews, they caused us to lose World War 1, but we'll get them.' This generated huge public support for Hitler and his cause, which led to the formation of the Gestapo to eliminate rival politicians.

So anyway, Hitler made germany proud again... but at the price of 6 million jews. Hitlers only mistake was killing jews, as he got the country up and running again. His only bad move was following through with his promise.




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Reply on the old board by Celtic

I heard that Hitler and his Nazi friends use to practice these Occultism and Satanism, and they usually ahve encountered the so called evil forces, but there is a theory and scientists have found, that Nazis have been locked up in Cell Massarities, so thinking that Hitler might be locked up in one massarity.

Who knows?

www.joric.com/Conspiracy/Conspiracy.htm

Reply on the old board by TheEXone

He went to war with the entire world, even if he didnt exterminate people, he was still a Facist Dicator bent on controling Europe. Yes he made Germany strong, but at the price of destroying freedom, and then he threw everything he had away because of his quest for power.

Reply on the old board by Margera

I didnt know that (talking about the origanal topic)

I personally dont think Hitler was a genius. The German people wanted Hitler to do what he did because of the Treaty of Versailles and because of the depression going on at the time. Hitler didnt REALLY have to convince anyone or do any work of genius. When Hitler was doing what he was doing and getting away with it, he STILL wasnt a genius because France and England (and a few other places) were just giving him what he wanted to stop a threat of a second war.... Hitler didnt do anything that made him a genius.

oh and did you know that Britain invented concerntration camps?

Reply on the old board by ultra_phoenix

Margera,

Even if I don't like him, Hitler was really a genius. A bad one, but a genius.

And yes, I knew that It was the Brit's who did the first concentration camps. In South-Africa, at the end of the 19th.Or the begining of the 20th, I'm not sure for the dates.







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Reply on the old board by MidnightDStroyer

Ultra-Phoenix said: And what we did against the German after WW1, was a call ( for them ) to take their revenge. They did it.

Hmmm...And isn't this the same way Bush got (general) public support for his "War on Terrorism"? Makes me wonder...

One of my replies is mistakingly marked as "TheEXones"...I doubt he wants to be pinned as the guy who said "Vagina" in his post.

Originally posted by SimonGray
Reply on the old board by MidnightDStroyer

Ultra-Phoenix said: And what we did against the German after WW1, was a call ( for them ) to take their revenge. They did it.

Hmmm...And isn't this the same way Bush got (general) public support for his "War on Terrorism"? Makes me wonder...

Oups... I didn't see this post. More than 2 months...Ok, now, my answer : No, it's different. After WW1, Germany was a democraty. Iraq is not a democraty, and SH is a dangerous tyran. Bush has right. He want to remove him, and he's right.

But there something that I don't want to see. New collaterals damages. CD are allways civils, never miltary. Bush has the possibility to kill him, without destroying all the country and all the peoples.

Ask to Olaf Palm, former Prime Minister ( Scandinavia ).

The seeing of holocaust victims shocked the Ocolot.. But.. those images, films have never had any real impact on me.. just like the Alien autopsy video didnt have any effect.. cause it was a fake.. I aint claiming but im wondering if at least the films of holocaust victims were fake or re-acted.. or something.. because In any other occasion as i see dead it has a impact of some sort to me.. but with holocaust films.. none..

I just wonder..

This coming from someone who brands stormfront propoganda?

If anyone here hasn't seen "Stormfront" I suggest you do, it'll piss you off in a matter of seconds.

Those people are crazy and LOVE facisim.

The holocaust was NOT fake, just ask your grandpa...or great-grandpa if you have a young family.

Originally posted by FreeMason
This coming from someone who brands stormfront propoganda?

If anyone here hasn't seen "Stormfront" I suggest you do, it'll piss you off in a matter of seconds.

Those people are crazy and LOVE facisim.

The holocaust was NOT fake, just ask your grandpa...or great-grandpa if you have a young family.

"Storm the front" as in "Assault!" I aint those people.. You have just pissed me off..

And my Grandpa was in the war.. fighting the Soviet masses.. who were armed in partly by US..

Originally posted by Uninen
And my Grandpa was in the war.. fighting the Soviet masses.. who were armed in partly by US..

Why don't you take a little more pride in your own country, Finland, instead of sticking up for the Nazis every chance you get? Finland would have ended up under the Nazi jackboot along with the rest of Europe if it had not been for the Soviet Union, and neither were good countries to be occupied by. Finland defended it's sovereignty when the Soviets invaded, and rightly so, but you should not sympathise with the Nazis. They would have left Finland to the Russians if they weren't fighting them for their oil.

The holocaust was very real. Simply put, there were 6 million more Jews in 1933 than there were in 1945. The Nazis were murdererous, power hungry, racist thugs.

Originally posted by Uninen
The seeing of holocaust victims shocked the Ocolot.. But.. those images, films have never had any real impact on me.. just like the Alien autopsy video didnt have any effect.. cause it was a fake..

I aint claiming but im wondering if at least the films of holocaust victims were fake or re-acted.. or something.. because In any other occasion as i see dead it has a impact of some sort to me.. but with holocaust films.. none..

I just wonder..

My queston was that maybe.. just mayby those films were tampered with!!! I said that i dont claim that there was no holocaust.. but that some of the FILMED "evidence" was fake.. nothing more..

And btw there is no oil in Finland.. never has been. what Germans and Germany (Notice.. it was Germans and Germany.. not Nazis.. The whole nation was in war not just the NSAP party.. witch you ignorant ones refer as "NAZI" -> National Socialist..) needed from here was nickel and iron ore..

[Edited on 7-8-2003 by Uninen]

Originally posted by Uninen

Originally posted by Uninen
The seeing of holocaust victims shocked the Ocolot.. But.. those images, films have never had any real impact on me.. just like the Alien autopsy video didnt have any effect.. cause it was a fake..

I aint claiming but im wondering if at least the films of holocaust victims were fake or re-acted.. or something.. because In any other occasion as i see dead it has a impact of some sort to me.. but with holocaust films.. none..

I just wonder..

My queston was that maybe.. just mayby those films were tampered with!!! I said that i dont claim that there was no holocaust.. but that some of the FILMED "evidence" was fake.. nothing more..

And btw there is no oil in Finland.. never has been. what Germans and Germany (Notice.. it was Germans and Germany.. not Nazis.. The whole nation was in war not just the NSAP party.. witch you ignorant ones refer as "NAZI" -> National Socialist..) needed from here was nickel and iron ore..

[Edited on 7-8-2003 by Uninen]

I was talking about Russian oil. What I meant to say was that if the Germans didn't need Russian oil, they wouldn't be fighting with them, and they would have left Finland to the Soviets. They would never have supported your country otherwise.

Here's a link to what I was referring to:
Russian Oil

NSAP? National Socialist Workers Party, do you mean? Why is it ignorant to refer to them as Nazis, as that is the abbreviation whicjh they adopted themselves? And the German nation was at war under the leadership of the Nazis, fighting for Nazi interests.

And another interesting fact, Finland changed sides and allied with the Soviets in the spring of 1945


[Edited on 7-8-2003 by CiderGood_HeadacheBad]

Firts: Living space was what the Hitler wanted in east and allso to destroy soviets.. Hitler him self was member of Frei korps in 1918-19 witch fought and won againt German soviets..

Second: We did not allied up with the soviets or the western allies.. we just fought against Germany in 1944-1945.. and allso we declared a war on them in 1945..

yes hitler is probally alove still. hell look at my sig!

Originally posted by Uninen
Firts: Living space was what the Hitler wanted in east and allso to destroy soviets.. Hitler him self was member of Frei korps in 1918-19 witch fought and won againt German soviets..

Second: We did not allied up with the soviets or the western allies.. we just fought against Germany in 1944-1945.. and allso we declared a war on them in 1945..

declared war on who?

Originally posted by KrazyIvan

Originally posted by Uninen
Firts: Living space was what the Hitler wanted in east and allso to destroy soviets.. Hitler him self was member of Frei korps in 1918-19 witch fought and won againt German soviets..

Second: We did not allied up with the soviets or the western allies.. we just fought against Germany in 1944-1945.. and allso we declared a war on them in 1945..

declared war on who?

To the Third Reich.. GERMANY..

in 1945?
i dont think so
thats a little late there bud

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
in 1945?
i dont think so
thats a little late there bud

How so?

Since 15.9.1944 Finnish and German fought againt each other..

On 1.3.1945 Finland declared war againts Germany..

Just the way it is..

VE-day 8.5.1945

Uninen, here is an interesting picture:



Here we see Kapteeni Eino Luukkanen (of the Finish air force) conversing with Oberleutnant H. G�tz of the Luftwaffe. They seem to be in a friendly mood.

[Edited on 19-8-2003 by jagdflieger]

So? I know that we were allied with Germany.. i also hope that we could have won the war against Soviets with Germany.. But we didnt.. shame.. So where is that beef? And what this even has to do with HITLER?

I know the facts.. i seems that it is you and others that dont.. read the WHOLE THING before commenting anything.



Even Mr.Hitler visited Finland.. in 1942 as a uninvited GUEST of Mannerheims bitrhday party.. 4.6.1942.. Photo shows Hitler with Mannerheim (Finlands army commander..) and Ryti (The president of Finland..)

Well you don't really point out that Finland and Germany were allies for most of World War II. One could say that Finland did not switch sides, until it was obvious that Hitler and Germany was going to be defeated.