The whole industrialized world is suffering from Stockholm syndrome

Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in an abducted hostage, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger (or at least risk) in which they have been placed. The syndrome is named after the Norrmalmstorg robbery of Kreditbanken at Norrmalmstorg, Stockholm, Sweden, in which the bank robbers held bank employees hostage from August 23 to August 28 in 1973. In this case, the victims became emotionally attached to their victimizers, and even defended their captors after they were freed from their six-day ordeal. The term Stockholm Syndrome was coined by the criminologist and psychiatrist Nils Bejerot, who assisted the police during the robbery, and referred to the syndrome in a news broadcast.[1]

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The captor's name in this game is called 'Economy' and it's pretty much keeping us hostage. it is operating for so very long we think it is a normal relationship to have and almost forget it is there, ultimately in some way or another controlling your moves.

Even when the economy is stable people are for the greatest part controlled by 'Economy'. If you are pungently rich you still have to keep track of your money in some way or another or you could get robbed. The list is different for every person of course, but barring a small percentage ( but growing if you read This) living off any grid and with as little economic ties as possible, We all life under the abusive arm of it.

As it is now 'Economy' has an inflated ego, got fed imaginations of grandeur by it's most fervent adepts, is as transparant as a concrete wall and throws tantrums (resession if you are lucky, depression if you are not and some abusers have it in them to go for the kill, in time) to keep us paying attention to the big abusive patron. With succes.

When it begins beating you normally feel it in your spending, the luxuries in life go down and stress goes up (with exceptions but talking generally). It's a double wammy psychologically speaking. It can degrade you if you do not prepare for a global hissyfit. It can even kill you. But we all stay nice and cosy inside it for protection because everybody else is here, it has got to be good! (myself included ). It are not the politicians, the arms-dealers, the Wallstreet employees or the CEO's you have to stop for a better situation, it's the invisible but ever penetrating glutton behind your back just gagging to get your attention and misery.


And we are the LUCKY ones. Look at some other continents, they really got punk'd. The Western world is leeching them dry for our materialistical gain. I cannot say if my clothes are made by adults getting fair wages or a 6 year old in a sweatshop somewhere. That is bad karma right there without me even knowing it.

Point is. What is the first thing you say to someone in a bad relationship?

Right. 'Leave'

This is pretty hard to do, because 'Economy'is everywhere and nowhere. I do think that in this case we should not leave the economy but shoot it and if it moves keep shooting until it doesn't anymore (remember, it is not a person, it is a entity. Do not shoot the people envolved in it)

I'm just brainfarting along here so forgive me if i seem a little incoherent here and there

The first step to killing it is to kill it within yourself, emotionally. Make peace with the worst situation because it doesn't make it any better if you stress out over it. release the emotion and give it the minimum of emotional attention you can. treat it like reading something mundane as mediocre weather on a workday. Keep informed and ready for another tantrum but when the time comes and there is an opportunity to end it do it. BUT DO NOT STOP THERE. If the economy stops keep on the ball and create something that serves us as a whole and not a top elite. Make it transparant, everything from everyone.

Transparancy is key here. it is vital. You can get to know someone when you look at their transactions. It is going to be VERY hard in the beginning for a lot of people but if we do want to have something similar as 'Economy' (perhaps as a transitional system to something even better and always in a SERVING capacity) we have to have 100% transparancy so it will be possible for everyone to check the cashflow of a company/peron before you decide to put money into it/him/her. No economic rules or whatever needed, just total transparancy. (details can be worked out, redundancy of data, the finer points in the whole thing, it is not the basic point but i got sidetracked)

Whatever the next way to interact with eachother in a non-social manner is, we have to be the ones making it, not some people 'more knowledgable' in the old ways. Do not put your trust in the hands that put us into this mess, break the abusive cycle and take matter into our own hands.

[edit on 10-10-2008 by Harman]

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Great thread, Harman. You are so right, we are all beholden to this system into which we were born. None of us ever asked to be a part of it, we just do it so we wouldn't be homeless and starving, or "failures".

Some of us are lucky enough to enjoy our careers, but even if we do, most of us don't have a choice of whether or not we want to keep going to work in some shape or form.

Personally, I get so wrapped up in my job that I have to tell myself on a very regular basis that it's BS. I am not my company. What is good for my company is not always good for me. If I sell one more unit, I get a tiny percentage while they reap substantial profits. I'm not complaining; I enjoy my work. I'm all for capitalism. But the point is, sometimes I forget that the enthusiasm I show at work really is for work and isn't part of me. Sometimes I forget that it really doesn't matter if I sell a few more units.

It's extremely hard not to get sucked in and forget just who I'm supposed to be serving by showing up for work.

Originally posted by sc2099
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Great thread, Harman. You are so right, we are all beholden to this system into which we were born. None of us ever asked to be a part of it, we just do it so we wouldn't be homeless and starving, or "failures".

Some of us are lucky enough to enjoy our careers, but even if we do, most of us don't have a choice of whether or not we want to keep going to work in some shape or form.

Exactly, i'm not in a world of suffering because of the training i had coping with it, i'm pretty much indoctrinated like everybody else functioning within this sick, enormously huge, puppy.

Personally, I get so wrapped up in my job that I have to tell myself on a very regular basis that it's BS. I am not my company. What is good for my company is not always good for me. If I sell one more unit, I get a tiny percentage while they reap substantial profits. I'm not complaining; I enjoy my work. I'm all for capitalism. But the point is, sometimes I forget that the enthusiasm I show at work really is for work and isn't part of me. Sometimes I forget that it really doesn't matter if I sell a few more units.

It's extremely hard not to get sucked in and forget just who I'm supposed to be serving by showing up for work.

I'm against it, when i do not think about it there is not a problem. I choose my work because of 3 things: Traveling time ( 10 minutes), collegues (they are cool) and work (isn't bothering me). That's about it. that minimize the impact work has one me.

Now we are seeing the real global effects loom its ugly head. Read: www.abovetopsecret.com...

The economy as it is today prevents the FOOD from leaving the harbour. Yes it is bad. Their answer is centralizing the system. My answer is putting the economy on the second place and human life on the first. It would solve everything in regard of hunger and housing.

And the first step is admitting we have a problem, second step is taking action to remedy the situation.

Sorry in advance for the essentially one lined post, but you might be interested in www.thevenusproject.com

Originally posted by cognoscente
Sorry in advance for the essentially one lined post, but you might be interested in www.thevenusproject.com

Thanks, know of it. Like the concept for sure. But it is not the only way.

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Another great thread Harman. Starred and Flagged.

I agree with you 100%. I think some people are starting to question their captors now. I certainly am. It is really difficult to have played the game and done everything right, sacrificing any pursuit in things that would actually be fulfilling, only to have the chair kicked out from under you.

It makes you wonder what the hell is the point. I just lost roughly 40% of my savings in the last month. That is almost half of my time working this job for nothing. It was fine when the system worked. But now it makes me take a harder look at it and I don't like what I see.

It isn't just the economy though. It is the entire system. The economy, the health care, the school system.... etc. It would be oh so easy to flip the system the bird and just walk away..... if you were single without children. It is a much harder choice when facing the reality of pulling your children from the system.

To choose to take away your access to good health care is a very difficult choice. To think of the consequences of trying to home school your children is a difficult choice. Ripping them from the system could very well ostracize them from society. It could jeopardize their entire future.

Not an easy decision.

Originally posted by Karlhungis
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Another great thread Harman. Starred and Flagged.

Thanks buddy .

I agree with you 100%. I think some people are starting to question their captors now. I certainly am. It is really difficult to have played the game and done everything right, sacrificing any pursuit in things that would actually be fulfilling, only to have the chair kicked out from under you.

It makes you wonder what the hell is the point. I just lost roughly 40% of my savings in the last month. That is almost half of my time working this job for nothing. It was fine when the system worked. But now it makes me take a harder look at it and I don't like what I see.

Exactly, the time is coming near where we as a whole humanity should stand up and refuse being ruled by digits and self-made restrictions. Are we REALLY tired of being pushed around by invisible and illogical crises? Just look at the topics in the meltdown forum, almost every second post is 'i don't get it' or 'can anyone explain to me why everything is going to hell?' That is because it is not natural, not transparant, it has no place in the realm of humanity but it has been force fed on us for so long we do not know anything else. We even believe that when the monetary system goes we will immediately and perpetually party like it's 1999 or just lie down and die. Sure, certainly in the beginning there wil be a relative big portion of humanity taking a WELL EARNED bullsh*t vacation for a time, but give us a few months and bordeom shall come in and activate those persons will seek out their bliss.

It isn't just the economy though. It is the entire system. The economy, the health care, the school system.... etc. It would be oh so easy to flip the system the bird and just walk away..... if you were single without children. It is a much harder choice when facing the reality of pulling your children from the system.

To choose to take away your access to good health care is a very difficult choice. To think of the consequences of trying to home school your children is a difficult choice. Ripping them from the system could very well ostracize them from society. It could jeopardize their entire future.

Not an easy decision.

Yup, if you are single it's easier but i for one rather change the system than escape it. We will have a window of opportunity in the not to distant future i think. Because just look at the politics saying 'we need something else!' that can only come to pass when they break the old. Let them break the old but stop them from installing their new system. Do it differently. How? To be honest, i don't know. But whatever it is it cannot be worst than this logically impaired system.