The Day and The Hour is Unknown

The single witness is witness of itself....in short?

Would this be why it is written, "Let no one add on to this revelation, or those things will be added unto them"?

[edit on 8-10-2008 by letthereaderunderstand]

reply to post by Kratos1220



I asure you you have learned remote.

When you were a baby, and the toy give to you fell away from you, was it not then realized remote? I mean, it was then outside of your reach and outside of your control. That is remote which even a baby understands then though not with, say, english words (or thoughts worded with english).

Any one who sees things remote is a prophet, said Nastradomus. PPl wonder who or what is the Son... Yet they are realizing that even the knowledge outside of their reach concerning the Son is remote about the Son. That is the Clue to what the Son is. The Son is the remote.

Put remote in context with what is said in Luke 17, Matt 24, and Mark 13, and you see the Son is the remote Destroyer. It is so, while you sleep, in one version keeping you who would be evil destroyed from evil. And then, it is so, once you're awake, in another worst version called risen Death and Hell. Those being raptured now need to understand the fact that they had to be kept from enternally doing evil things toward "the" Person doesnt mean if the Son releases them that they wont then all of a sudden not be eternally evil. So right now, "the" Person never knew and does not know the actual evil which would be actual if allowed and if "the" Person was weak.

Example: If you are an evil doer, and your evil doesnt actualize to me, because I realize to stop it beforehand, then I never gave you the chance that I could ever know the actual you just based on what I realized in advanced you would have done. Would do does not imply the actual do. So if I can see what you would do before you actually do it, I have advangage to know to keep you encompassed by remote control which can keep you destroyed from your actual evil and then carry you, so convinced how deceived, into Death and Hell, since afterall you would have done me in wrong. They say it is the thought that counts.

Eh, I sorta understand, but the way you word things makes it hard to follow. Maybe that's just me though.

reply to post by Mabus


The one holds the line. "The one who's sandels I am not worthy to untie".

Death and Hell raising? The dead witnessing to you of your sin, which is death?

reply to post by Kratos1220


You sure are all in the Lord, but disreguarding the Person, and not realizing a single witness actually know. The gospel wouldnt not have mentioned the single witness if the single wintess themself can not be witnessed a witness.

Besides all this, the single witness allows the Son to seperate the sheep from among the goats. So the single witness will know its own actual translations from the other translations. Think not the Son made the angels make translations which are not the actual best ones? I mean, the non-actual translations aid the convincing only those that are snared. The worthy, Who are "the" Person, hear "the" Person. And they can tell "the" Person's doing from their Son's (remote Destroyer's) doing.

reply to post by Mabus


Yes, the witness of "self-existent is salvation" that comes out of the "incising". "Those with ears to hear" is literal and is the witness.

This witness comes out of the North, which is the left of the body and is judgment to those in need.

Hehe, I feel like I'm reading the King James Bible when reading your posts and I didn't understand it at all. That's why I got a study Bible.

The translations in the NLT are from "a dream team of today's top Bible scholars", so I'll take their word for it primarily because they explain it in ways that someone can easily understand. The message is the same and I think Bible scholars would know better than anyone, human anyways.

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
reply to post by Mabus

 

The one holds the line. "The one who's sandels I am not worthy to untie".

Death and Hell raising? The dead witnessing to you of your sin, which is death?

John 2:
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

^^Raise the Destroy up that is.


Mark 1:7
And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.

^^the one (1) mighter is the remote control. You can not stoop down and unloose what is remote, because it is outside of your reach and outside of your control. Who is worthy can control the remote only.

It is II worthy being "the" Person which can use the remote control, sharingly half and half, unlike the rest who are worthy. The II make the remote Destroyer raise up the Destroy. The II been given power to kill.

Abaddon is what one, apart the II, calls the remote Destroyer. Apollyon is what the other one, apart the II, calls the remote Destroyer. Keep in mind, they share the remote control operation the Son, basically. That is how come they both call it what they each did. The II are the two witnesses mentioned in Rev. The last witness witnesses the other witness, too, and foretells the remote clear like never before just before the end.

^^Raise the Destroy up that is.

This doesn't even make any sense. You just jumbled the words all up.

Abaddon is what one, apart the II, calls the remote Destroyer. Apollyon is what the other one, apart the II, calls the remote Destroyer. Keep in mind, they share the remote control operation the Son, basically. That is how come they both call it what they each did. The II are the two witnesses mentioned in Rev. The last witness witnesses the other witness, too, and foretells the remote clear like never before just before the end.

I hope you aren't saying that the two witnesses are Abaddon and Apollyon. That's kinda absurd. The two witnesses were dressed in burlap and clothing made of burlap was symbolic for repentence or mourning. These two witnesses were given the power to stop the rain and bring down plagues just as Elijah and Moses did. When they completed their testimony, the beast from the bottomless pit (Abaddon) attacks and kills the two witnesses.

By the way, Abaddon and Apollyon are the same thing. Abaddon (Hebrew) and Apollyon (Greek) are one in the same.

reply to post by Kratos1220


Kratos1220, peace to you.

May I ask what the message is that is the same?

Do you trust bible Scholars, because they have that title, you've checked out their pasts and educations, or because they were paid to do their commentary also retaining publishing rights to make money off each bible sold with the option of doing addendum's and updates/editions?

Is the message, "Jesus died for your sins"? If Jesus was preaching the message when he lived, then his message meant nothing while alive, having not been proved true to those he was witnessing to, Yet the message was "Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand", not "Jesus died for your sins" or scripture would be against it self, as "each man will bear his own load".

It was the crowd shouting, "his blood be on us and on our children", not his disciples. Jesus said his father is true and to worship him must be done in spirit and in truth.

I ask you, how do you see the same message, if this is indeed what you say is the same.

Thank you and peace to you


[edit on 8-10-2008 by letthereaderunderstand]

"In Matthew Jesus does say "No one knows about the day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, not the Son, but only the Father."
How do you know Jesus actually said that?
Many things in the bible are proven to be written and added later by man and massively misinterpreted.

"The sun will be darkened and the moon will not give light"
The moon doesn't give light, the sun gives it light, and the moon reflects the light.
So this is an illogical statement to say the sun will be dark and the moon will not give light because, obviously if the sun was dark the moon couldnt reflect its light in the first place.

Originally posted by Kratos1220

I hope you aren't saying that the two witnesses are Abaddon and Apollyon. That's kinda absurd. The two witnesses were dressed in burlap and clothing made of burlap was symbolic for repentence or mourning. These two witnesses were given the power to stop the rain and bring down plagues just as Elijah and Moses did. When they completed their testimony, the beast from the bottomless pit (Abaddon) attacks and kills the two witnesses.

By the way, Abaddon and Apollyon are the same thing. Abaddon (Hebrew) and Apollyon (Greek) are one in the same.

The angel the Son is the remote Destroyer. Its controlling is shared. That is the point to why you see II names the angel. It is put so you understand the remote is shared for doing the destructive operation.

So yeah, duh, I am saying they are the same thing (the remote Destroyer). That has both names. And the II witnesses control the remote Destroyer that has II names they given.

The 1st beast (13) is the first witness. The 2nd beast (666) is the last witness. So you do see that the remote puppetry makes the would-be evil doers make war against them. The would-be evil doers do only what they are commanded to do. So they dont actually make the war against them, the witnesses make war against themselves using the would-be evil doers that are decieved and seduced to thinking what they do is not remote controlled. Kill them only means releave them from being the II "witnesses", nothing else. They, not witnesses any more, aren't killed from whatever they then be. They, not witnesses any more, wont be killed from except being witnesses. Afterall, when the end come, in Matt 24, it did not say it would be witnessed nor indicated a witness after the end come. Did you notice? It is because the II witnesses kill the titles "witness"/"witness".

And do notice the number 13 at top Rev 13. It is the first beast number. The first beast (first witness) is not here personally, but is operating the shared remote Destroyer remotely. The last beast (second witness) is here under this mankind version temporarily. The Person, a man (the last witness), is uttermost such a man which know, concerning day and hour, even though the rest "the" Person are also a man. A man has a head, does it not? Indeed.

reply to post by Kratos1220


His two witness are "Attached"(Levi) and "Lyon's Whelp"(Judah), because "he visit's the iniquity of the fathers upon the 3rd Levi and 4th Judah generations of those that hate him.

Some are of the "attached" who witness, some of the "lyons whelp", but both are witness because they have done wrong. Jesus said, I didn't come to cure the healthy as they have no need of a physician.

The older made the Law God, The younger made man God, yet neither are God. God's law is life in men.

At the hand of every man does he require blood. Since the life was blown in to man, to carry his frame, and is the life Christ speaks of saying, "My father has given to me to have life within myself, so to do I give it unto you" it has been the same since the beginning.

Make no images..." God doesn't change. If he had old deals and new deals then the Lord would be changing, yet he loves justice and righteousness. "Just" does not change, ever. The Lord who is made manifest to the flesh, in the flesh commands not to make any likeness, as to bow down and worship it." If all come into the world through Christ, and not one without him, then why would people be bowing at the cross having been birthed through him already?

A false message of salvation, to believe on what is in the dark is what so many are believing, but truth is evident, not mystery.

He does not change. The same in the beginning is the same today. Two shall become one flesh. This is not mystery, it is conception the true marriage and is made by the holy spirit being two souls joined, "let no man separate".

Be fruitful and Multiply, subdue the earth(Body).

The two kings that sit at the table and both lie are Levi and Judah, the head and the tail. The Law and the Mercy. Levi didn't obey and neither did Judah, it is the line of Melchizedek "Righteous King" made so by Levi striking the heal and Judah striking the head. Righteous means even. Every stone is thrown down.


Peace



[edit on 8-10-2008 by letthereaderunderstand]

Originally posted by Interestinggg
"In Matthew Jesus does say "No one knows about the day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, not the Son, but only the Father."
How do you know Jesus actually said that?
Many things in the bible are proven to be written and added later by man and massively misinterpreted.

"The sun will be darkened and the moon will not give light"
The moon doesn't give light, the sun gives it light, and the moon reflects the light.
So this is an illogical statement to say the sun will be dark and the moon will not give light because, obviously if the sun was dark the moon couldnt reflect its light in the first place.

You understand metaphors? The sun is not the sun you see in the sky. The moon is not the moon you see in the sky at night. The sun implicates a person being bright shall be darkened. Darkened relevantly implies sweetened. Wicked is also a metaphor in the actual translation. Wicked implies Awesome. The Person Who wrote the books actually knows the truth comes modernly relevant to why the original words were seeds meant to grow. If you are not "the" Person, then you are outside the "I" and set for damnation.

And the version you read cant topple the truth. No one knows does not imply a man know not. One is a number that of course knows not. So the Father, based on that version you read from, is a number one (1) that knows. It even aids the truth since what remote, a number by order, can only falsely present knowing anything. When you talk with a false prophet you'd be so convinced that it is a knowing, knowledgable living person, though it aint even a person. And just because it is being fed what to say, doesnt mean it knows anything because it is not alive.

Originally posted by Interestinggg

So this is an illogical statement to say the sun will be dark and the moon will not give light because, obviously if the sun was dark the moon couldnt reflect its light in the first place.

That pretty much made perfect sense to me..

So, how is that ILLOGICAL? You have countered your own statement by answering it in the same breath. I believe you are 'disagreeing' just to 'disagree'.


The statement reads as follows:

"The sun will be darkened and the moon will not give light"

Ok... so, you fell victim of your own verbal diarrhea by stating:

..."obviously if the sun was dark the moon couldnt reflect its light..."

Brilliant deduction! Your on to something... so, LOGIC would dictate that :

"The sun will be darkened and the moon will not give light"

Well, that hardly sounds ILLOGICAL.. but what the heck...lets try it out...


So, I would ask you, 'Hey, Interestinggg... what could happen to make the Moon not give light?'... to which you would answer:

"If the sun was darkened the moon couldnt reflect its light".

So I would have to LOGICALLY conclude that if:the sun would be darkened then the moon will not give light"

OK I got it, thx. Now honestly Im not trying to pick on you but your argument is completely cyclical.

Somehow this thread keeps drifting further and further off course, wheres Grandma when you need her?

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hahahahahaha...it's past grandma's bedtime but she will see this tomorrow and have something to say i'm sure!

Originally posted by Mabus

The angel the Son is the remote Destroyer. Its controlling is shared. That is the point to why you see II names the angel. It is put so you understand the remote is shared for doing the destructive operation.

So yeah, duh, I am saying they are the same thing (the remote Destroyer). That has both names. And the II witnesses control the remote Destroyer that has II names they given.

The 1st beast (13) is the first witness. The 2nd beast (666) is the last witness. So you do see that the remote puppetry makes the would-be evil doers make war against them. The would-be evil doers do only what they are commanded to do. So they dont actually make the war against them, the witnesses make war against themselves using the would-be evil doers that are decieved and seduced to thinking what they do is not remote controlled. Kill them only means releave them from being the II "witnesses", nothing else. They, not witnesses any more, aren't killed from whatever they then be. They, not witnesses any more, wont be killed from except being witnesses. Afterall, when the end come, in Matt 24, it did not say it would be witnessed nor indicated a witness after the end come. Did you notice? It is because the II witnesses kill the titles "witness"/"witness".

And do notice the number 13 at top Rev 13. It is the first beast number. The first beast (first witness) is not here personally, but is operating the shared remote Destroyer remotely. The last beast (second witness) is here under this mankind version temporarily. The Person, a man (the last witness), is uttermost such a man which know, concerning day and hour, even though the rest "the" Person are also a man. A man has a head, does it not? Indeed.

That is clearer than your previous posts, thank you. Now I understand what you mean by remote control.

However, you saying that the beasts are the witnesses still isn't making sense to me. In the NLT, it says:

"And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will be clothed in burlap and will prophesy during those 1,260 days. These two prophets are the two olive trees and the two lanpstands that stand before the Lord of all the earth. If anyone tries to harm them, fire flashes from their mouths and consumes their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them shall die. They have power to shut the sky so that no rain will fall for as long as they prophesy. And they have the power to turn the rivers and oceans into blood, and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they wish."

"When they complete their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the bottomless pit will declare war against them, and he will conquer them and kill them. And their bodies will lie in the main street of Jerusalem, the city that is figuratively called "Sodom" and "Egypt", the city where their Lord was crucified. And for three and a half days, all peoples, tribes, languages, and nations will stare at their bodies. No one will be allowed to bury them. All the people who belong to this world will gloat over them and give presents to each other to celebrate the death of the two prophets who had tormented them."

"But after three and a half days, God breathed life into them, and they stood up! Terror struck all who were staring at them. Then a loud voice from heaven called to the two prophets, "Come up here!" And they rose to heaven in a cloud as their enemies watched."

Sorry, but if you are saying that the witnesses are the two beasts, you are wrong. God would not call the beasts to heaven, he would not call them prophets, he would not send them dressed in burlap, and he definitely would not say that they were the two olive trees and two lampstands that stand before the Lord of all the earth. Is this what you're saying?

Maybe this was repeated before, but I don't have the time to read every post.

Listen to this. Jesus referees to himself as the Son of God.

The quote originally displayed was talking about the Son of Man, Mans creation arguably. Also saying that many will be deceived. 'Some will see him in the desert, some will see im in other places.'

Sounds a lot like the rumors about Project Blue Beam huh?

Now go back to genesis. Something here is a lot deeper than once thought.

It talks about the Daughters of Man, as well as the Sons of God. Maybe this is a bad reference since these are two different books.

But see what I am saying?
Son of man, is Mans creation, Man ultimately is evil at heart. PBB; the false prophets, the deceptions, multiple locations, all to do what? Create a one world religion.

..... This is welcome to input/change.

But then the question is, What really will be Christs coming?

Or.... was Christ some how deceiving us the whole time?

I'm a Highly Theistic, yet Agnostic Christian atm. So I'm open to all explainations.

But you are mistaken. The day and the hour is not unknown... For the Web Bot knows...

reply to post by Scarcer


Hey Scarcer,

It's not that Christ was deceived, it is that his message has been twisted.

You say the "son of man" as you are on to the most basic truth ever.

The salvation of the anointed goes forward for ever and God is true, as he is living, not dead.

God has always said, "my salvation is generation to generation...forever".

Isa 38:17 Behold, for peace was bitter to me, most bitter; but You loved my soul from the pit of destruction; You have cast all my sins behind Your back.
Isa 38:18 For Sheol cannot thank You; death cannot praise You; the ones going down to the Pit cannot hope for Your truth.
Isa 38:19 The living, the living is the one thanking You; as I do today. The father makes known Your truth to his sons.
Isa 38:20 For Jehovah will save me; and we will play my songs on stringed instruments all the days of our life, at the house of Jehovah.

Christ, is in all men and all are born to him and so Salvation is "Generation to Generation" as he is made manifest in the flesh.

Isa 53:1 Who has believed our report? And to whom is the arm of Jehovah revealed?
Isa 53:2 For He comes up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no form nor magnificence that we should see Him; nor form that we should desire Him.
Isa 53:3 He is despised and abandoned of men, a Man of pains, and acquainted with sickness. And as it were hiding our faces from Him, He being despised, and we did not value Him.
Isa 53:4 Surely He has borne our sicknesses, and He carried our pain; yet we esteemed Him plagued, smitten by God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But He was wounded for our transgressions; He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His wounds we ourselves are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have each one turned to his own way; and Jehovah made meet in Him the iniquity of all of us.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, but He did not open His mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter; and as a ewe before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth.
Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from justice; and who shall consider His generation? For He was cut off out of the land of the living; from the transgression of My people, the stroke was to Him.
Isa 53:9 And He appointed Him His grave with the wicked, but He was with a rich man in His death; though He had done no violence, and deceit was not in His mouth.
Isa 53:10 But Jehovah pleased to crush Him, to make Him sick, so that If He should put His soul as a guilt offering, He shall see His seed; He shall prolong His days; and the will of Jehovah shall prosper in His hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see the fruit of the travail of His soul; He shall be fully satisfied. By His knowledge the righteous One, My Servant, shall justify for many, and He shall bear their iniquities.

By his knowledge shall they be justified... NOT by his death. He bears their iniquity, himself knowing them to be unjust, but justifying them in the knowledge of righteousness, so that they may see and turn.

Law must be justified to be in effect. Christ could have done no good, if he had not justified the law to them, to show them where they were being hypocrites, that by accepting Doctrines of Men over the true way of life they were doomed.

The soul is the abode of the family, and the body is the mansion of the soul, to which a new generation IS the gospel preached, the same since the beginning.

The son of man is made appear to every generation. We behold him daily. No Rapture, no Aliens, No unknown.

The truth is manifest in the light. He loves those who love him. This is shown true, by giving the love we received to generate in flesh a new glorified body. The corruptible, must put on this incorruptible, in other words....Have kids and teach them well....

Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young could not of said the gospel any clearer...."Teach your children well"....

Peace

Peace