Amazing Water

Originally posted by ALLis0NE
Actually, no, I just have MORE knowledge than you..

I really doubt that.

"Force that hold quarks and gluons together"...

Well quarks and gluons both have "charges", which have attraction and repulsion forces like magnetism.

There are huge differences between strong and EM force. The fact that it may cause attraction does not make it electromagnetic.

All the four fundamental forces are the same force, at different strengths. I'm talking about the FORCE, no the way the force works.

Never mind that grand unification is telling you that, in the context of forming ice crystal and what not, this assumption is completely irrelevant.

All things are electromagnetic. We just give it different names.

Sheesh, the charge in QCD and in electromagentism are two different kinds of charges. Quarks have both, and are subject to both.

I already gave you plenty of examples that not everything is reduced to electromagnetic phenomena, but that doesnt' fit with your primitive view of this world.

I just had to post to say one thing: this thread is hilarious!

Keep plugging away guys, ALLis0NE may actually learn something before all is said and done.

TheRedneck

Once again the spoon fed mainstream ignores the basics. Then pretends to know more than they do.

Put it this way...

There is 1 fundamental force, not 4.

This 0NE force is responsible for all attraction and repulsion. No matter if you call it the strong, electromagnetic, weak, or gravitational force, they are all the same. Attraction and Repulsion, at different strengths, and scales.

I call it magnetism for simplicity.

there MAY BE one force of the four united, let me repeat that, there MAY BE one fundemental underlying force. Considering that unification is as far away as ever you may want to reconsider your beliefs. Anyway even if there is just one force underlying all four known fundamental forces it consists of EM and the other three forces it IS NOT EM by itself and to call it that for simplicity reasons shows your lack of understanding of physics and your dogmatic uninformed knowledge of the EM force

and im guessing you did not even read my definitions of each force which clearly shows them to be independant varying forces THEY ARE NOT ALL THE SAME FORCE AT DIFFERENT SCALES

I grow weary of trying to convince someone so dogmatic. So unless you can provide a compelling argument for a change i wash my hands of this discussion

CW OUT!!

[edit on 8-10-2008 by constantwonder]

Originally posted by notyourslave
wow i really dont know much about it but iwas listening to caost to coast sunday and this guy named david sereda discussed amazing properiteis waster is now said to hold like memory and consciousness..wow and if recontructed could possibly have haeling abilities...

Yes, water is amazing.
The straight science is much deeper and more interesting than skeptics who skim the surface realize.
And there is a whole other level to the properties and abilities of water which we can all research and use to help each other.

Find good water, with no chlorine or fluoride, and let your heart guide you in learning to energise and use it.

Basicaly, my point was this:

en.wikipedia.org...

The electromagnetic force is the one responsible for practically all the phenomena encountered in daily life, with the exception of gravity. All the forces involved in interactions between atoms can be traced to the electromagnetic force acting on the electrically charged protons and electrons inside the atoms. This includes the forces we experience in "pushing" or "pulling" ordinary material objects, which come from the intermolecular forces between the individual molecules in our bodies and those in the objects. It also includes all forms of chemical phenomena, which arise from interactions between electron orbitals.

All the forces involved in interactions between atoms can be traced to the electromagnetic force acting on the electrically charged protons and electrons inside the atoms.........

I guess this information isn't taught to people anymore....

[edit on 8-10-2008 by ALLis0NE]

I heard the quack on C2C. He's a nut case.

I had actually thought about calling in and ask a couple of question, but then I remembered about arguing with an idiot.

He made a claim that water in one container can be split in 2 container and a memory remains with the water, or if you do something to one container it affects the other container. I'm thinking, boil one and just place tea bag in the other, should have hot tea by his calculation. I think he is wrong, but I'd try it.

As for the memory, okay, I'll boil the water and then hope it remembers being hot in a couple of hours.

I can see people making money of this selling junk to even dumber people.

It's very interesting that you all say that you are great people who study this stuff constantly, meanwhile saying you are better by, not only stating your opinions, but being incredibly rude.

For intellectual discussion I would expect respectable adults to leave the cynicism, sarcastic, and blatantly rude comments out. But I guess the facade of the internet gives you pretty big weight to throw around.

We are all entitled to our opinions and discussing things on the actual subject, and not personal attacks, make the argument effective.

-Steph

Would not water evaporate in the direction and heat of the sun

Well trippy thread lol
it's bin going up and down like a waterbed.....errrrr lame

Anyways just a few questions...
is it like bioelectric covalent bonding that holds our bodies molecules together?

Since hydrogen seems to be a base molecule, would it be possible to make say a sort of molecular or element printer? How difficult would it be to strip protones, neutrons, and electrons, and configure them in whichever pattern needed to assemble a molecule?( If I had the brains this would be mylifes work, a patented project to develop lol)

Also I imagine with infinite or next to it, numbers of molecules in this universe and the enourmous pressures and explosions throughout it, there's more than likely new molecules and elements being created all the time perhaps right?

Imagine what could be created if you could have an assembly line electrons, protons, and neutrons or whatever else it takes who knows I sure as hell dont know or if its even possible.



Anyways guys thanks for the insights and knowledge being kicked back and fourth here...... keep it civil though.....the whole worlds in the #ter and we need to keep "positive" lol

P.s. What's up with that add i keep seeing in popular science or mechanics....The one where the water has a differnet hydrogen bonding angle some # like that..... you all know what I speak of..... would they allow creditless advertisemenst just for the sake of money or could there be some possible substance to such a water and its potential health benefits....

I also heard of some russian scientists developing the most purest form of water without any mineral contents and such..... and is to be used as a medical substance in small quantities..... also claimed his wife used to as a beauty product to keep her skin healthy....
who fakkin knows everones out for money is this profit driven world....whom or what can you trust eh guys



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Bwahahah, this is exactly why I try to keep Theorists away from Technicians... they don't speak the same language, even scientifically... and almost always manage to offend each other... without even understanding what each other is saying.

Ok... what one of you is trying to say is that all matter is affected by electromagnetic fluctuations... mostly because electrons are, and electrons exist in matter.

The other is taking this in a literal form, and assuming the other arguer means that the properties of matter are altered by electromagnetic fluctuations...

... I find this terribly amusing... mostly because I have to translate between techs and theorists on a daily basis.


I swear the two are different species sometimes.

Amazing zero grav water experiments conducted in the ISS by Don Pettit








[edit on 19-10-2008 by undermind]

Originally posted by buddhasystem
Once again, you are wrong -- most matter in the Universe exists in the form of plasma (there is also dark matter, but that's a separate subject). So, you are wrong with "atoms".

I came across another, more detailed proportional distribution of matter in the universe:

Dark matter makes up about 23 percent of the universe's mass-energy budget. Normal matter, the stuff of stars, planets and people, contributes just 4 percent. (The rest of the universe is driven by an even more mysterious thing called dark energy.)

www.space.com...

This distribution attaches the superlative "most" to the dark matter. If both statements are correct, then the dark matter consists of partially ionized gass, but that doesn't seem to be right.

If buddhasystem is correct, then plasma doesn't contribute to the universe's mass-energy budget. True or false?

Originally posted by notyourslave
wow i really dont know much about it but iwas listening to caost to coast sunday and this guy named david sereda discussed amazing properiteis waster is now said to hold like memory and consciousness..wow and if recontructed could possibly have haeling abilities..

www.coasttocoastam.com...

what do you guys think about this? bs or waht?

Judging from my experience, it's not bs.

I seriously suggest watching this DVD, Down the rabbit hole its about quantum physics, religion, philosophy, conciousness and the water crystals mentioned above, it changed my views on a lot of things!

Originally posted by undermind
Amazing zero grav water experiments conducted in the ISS by Don Pettit

[edit on 19-10-2008 by undermind]

I wonder if these different states of water will lead to a new type of computer or ROM

reply to post by undermind


Toward the end of the video . . .



See the alien head?

There is way too much THEORY in particle physics and the content of the universe for people to be insulting each other. I dont think conventional thinking is going to get us an answer anytime soon. But i do remember seeing footage on this in that doc "What the bleep do we know-Down the rabbit hole"

Originally posted by buddhasystem
Once again, you are wrong -- most matter in the Universe exists in the form of plasma (there is also dark matter, but that's a separate subject). So, you are wrong with "atoms".

What buddhasystem doesn't realize is that plasma consists of moving electrons. That means plasma is electromagnetic too.