ITS time to have plan B for ATS in an event of internet shutdown

the recent economy status warrants a crash which it wll lead to server shutting down cuz of funds or govt intervention
the alternatives we can have is
usenet(being banned by isps as they have no control over it and it not part of the internet)
BBS

FIDONET

TOR(but wont work in 56k as it will be dead slow)
primitiveness works wonders.

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...re-World_Wide_Web_online_services
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Like I said in another post, we should have an IRC channel. Even on dialup it really won't matter as it is all text anyway. I suggested EFnet as they have a TON of servers around the world. I'll gladly get a channel up and going, but I wanted to get the graces of the site owner before making anything affiliated with ATS. You guys think its a good idea? Might be cool too so people can actually chat live.

Or, agreed upon shortwave communication. If the "internet" truly shuts down, dialup wont get you any further than broadband will.

However, I dont forsee the internet shutting down UNLESS so many people can't afford to keep paying their bills for it that they are forced to reduce it's capacity or start shutting down ISP's in a cost recovery mode.


AB1

I have no idea how you would do this,
but I bet most folks here have cellphones.
Anyway to connect to ATS through those waves??

It's a good idea, however, in the event of a TRUE global meltdown, you have to rely on something that won't require outside providers as they can cut off your service, etc etc. And, frankly even if they dont cut-off the services, if no one has enough money to survive, they wouldn't be able to attain it anyway.

Simplest is probably best, I'm not sure SHORTWAVE radio is THE answer, but something free and simple probably IS the answer.


AB1

Sigh. Here's a plan B. Why not try it now?

TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS. FORM A LOCAL COMMUNITY.

Just venting. Carry on.

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Honestly, in the event of a true Global Meltdown, this site would be the last place I'll be thinking of.

Just my $0.02.

I think the talk of the net shutting down was more of a scare tactic by the media.

Anyway, I believe it will most likely be censored to regions depending on how net providers suffer in the economy rather then it completely shutting down. Or...if there's a massive power outage like a few years ago.

Oh absolutely loam lol I agree there.

Although being able to CONTACT some of the participants especially those of whom we consider to have value, may well be worth it's weight in gold if the worst were to come to pass.

That's all I mean


AB1

I think the tin can and string will work best!!!


HAM RADIO PEOPLE!!! HAM RADIO!!!!


Cheers!!!!

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You might just be venting, but you do have the best idea for the most extreme situation. The people like myself that live in 'burb communities should make it a point to at least have made positive contact with every house on your block. At the very least, be able to say hello to your neighbors.

On the lighter side of all out "gone byebye", I think the HAM radio ops will have the last word, so to speak.

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Darn it, you beat me to the punch, I was going to suggest drums. Maybe smoke signals.

Or just telepathically communicating.

Originally posted by loam
reply to post by alphabetaone

 

Honestly, in the event of a true Global Meltdown, this site would be the last place I'll be thinking of.

Just my $0.02.

Nah thats the same as what I used to have, 26.4kb/s

I'm in favor of CB and HAM radio but that can be easily foiled by entities with the right equipment.

in martial law or any kind of controlled government communication is nessacery.

especially if you dont plan on being sent to the camps. if they are shutting down the net im sure the camps are already up.

and i guess that radio is the best way to go.

The only realistic the only way I can think off would be a dial in BBS system but I don't think the nets in any danger at the minute.

Saying that though in the event of a major war I'm sure the public would be cut off remember the whole loose lips sink ships in the second world war. Well the internet is a set of very loose lips and to be honest it could not be allowed.

I think the governments would still keep it though as they might be able to gain intel that way.

Oh boy... I love my ATS just as much as the next guy, I share hallmarks of ATS addiction (especially in these times) but the 'net should be the least concern.

Even BBSs probably wouldn't work if the phone lines, the infrastructure, is down.

As others have said, it'd have to be amateur radio, a lot can be done with stuff like RTTY and SSTV.

But if there's a major ionospheric disturbance for some reason, that'd also have trouble getting out.

Stick with tin cans and string

On the CB note, I thought I would add some maybe useful info.
You don't have to go expensive to be able to talk a long ways, just have to have the right location and setup.

I have personally used all of these and had very good results out of them all.

www.copper.com...

Cant beat a good ole Cobra 19, there cheap, do the job, small and modular and for $40, can't beat it for the price. (Uniden and Cobra are virtually the same)

www.radioshack.com...

102' Stainless Steel Whip, Also cant beat this one for a mobile antenna. Most are rated 1KW-1.5KW power but I've personally put 2700watts into one over a few nights and it was perfect afterward.
45 reviews on Radioshack, it got an A+ 5star rating.
The range varies greatly with your area but in the smokey mountains, I have talked across 2 states on 14 watts with one of these.

That, plus a few feet of RG6 or RG8 coax and you're in business.

I stumbled upon a gem of sit X-communications-related info whilst watching Mark Thomas

At around 4:15 into the program, there's a 'trade secret' regarding the UK Government Telephone Preference Scheme...which basically will switch off all non-GTPS numbers at the exchange, including all access to the interweb, and will include cellphones too...the exception is public payphones which are ranked as 'category 1'

perhaps this could solve the communication problem with other ATSers whilst allowing a degree of anonymity to be retained...payphone-to-payphone calls

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Im sorry, I dont mean to laugh but, could you just picture the scene??

"Wife: Where you GOING?? We have nothing left???"

"Husband: To the payphone, I gotta call Skeptic Overlord"

back in the 90's i read somewhere this group of techies made a private network out of using solar powered shortwave bandwidth diamond shaped transmitters that daisy chained each other over impressive square mileage.. and could parse data packets.. don't remember what the baud was but nevertheless... i also remember them being hit down hard by the FCC.

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