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Originally posted by SuperSecretSquirrel
To the point that was made about different reactions occurring at different altitudes is false. The same reaction happens at sea level. The reason why those air liners fly at 35,000 feet is because it is so cold up there and turbine engines perform more efficiently at those cold altitudes.
Originally posted by SuperSecretSquirrel
I hope that those who read this that believe in chemtrails will be able to look at the evidence presented objectively. I cannot "prove" that there are no additive in gas and TPTB aren't spraying us all but the evidence is favor of no conspiracy here and the only "evidence" for chemtrails is conjecture and gut-feelings.
Originally posted by defcon5
While I never did the testing myself, I know that they had to test what additives were in the fuel to make sure that it was the proper JP type. There are 4 types of fuel that are used in aircraft, JP4, JP5, JP8, and Avgas. Avgas is a gasoline-based fuel that comes in 55 gallon drums, but the other three are all Kerosene’s with differing cuts and additives. You bet they have to test the additives to ensure that they don’t accidentally add a load of JP5 into a tank of JP8.
Originally posted by defcon5
Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn’t a chromatograph show exactly what it contains. We are talking about an industry that moves millions of dollars in fuel every month, they will spare no expense at ensuring that fuel is up to standards.
Originally posted by defcon5
So I guess that the supposed poison that everyone is so worried about has no effect on those of us who were walking around directly in the path of aircraft engine exhaust, service equipment exhaust, and directly breathing the fumes of that fuel? Funny, I wonder why I don’t have Morgellions, or one of the other supposed chemtrail related diseases. You don’t even want to know the number of times I spilled that fuel all over myself, right down into my boots, then had to finish an eight hour shift like that.
Originally posted by defcon5
Not only would the FAA have to know about it, but also the ramp crews, the fuelers, the mechanics, the tank farm personnel, truckers, airline management, flight ops personnel, flight crews, and even the cabin service personnel. They would all know about it, or have to be in on it as well, and that is hundreds of thousands of people who take no oath of secrecy.
Total denial by governmental authorities, the shunning of this topic by mainstream media, the systematic discreditation of researchers, ongoing coverups by the scientific establishment, and a coordinated systematic policy of disinformation has relegated this topic to the realm of fantasy and paranoid delusion. Regardless, it continues to go on above our heads, and has now grown to become the largest coordinated global engineering project in the history of our species.
Originally posted by YouAreDreaming
From what I've read, it's been going on for years
Originally posted by eaganthorn
I don’t think you actually understand the testing process and what it actually does or how the results are calculated
Chemtrails (funny stuff)
Pilotpip:
There's a show on Discovery right now called "Best Evidence". They're examining the whole "chemtrails" conspiracy theory. One lady from California in particular is a riot. She has a wall of pictures showing differnet 'chemtrail' styles. The show paid a lab to perform analysis on jet fuel samples from across the country. I'll let you guys guess what they found...
Originally posted by eaganthorn
but you’ve now confirmed that there are more than one type of aviation fuel in use, which might not be an intentional conflict with your earlier statement that there is only one fuel at the airport and all of the equipment uses that same fuel, but could be interpreted as such.
Originally posted by eaganthorn
There are several different types of chromatographs, gas, liquid, electro, etc and their intended purpose is to identify various elements in a given substance by burning that substance and comparing the various colors in the flame to the known colors of each element. This shows us which elements are present but does not provide any accuracy as to how those elements are combined; otherwise the Colonel’s secret recipe would be in jeopardy of discovery. A fuel may return spectrum analysis indicating hydrogen, carbon, oxygen, but will not show us exactly how those three elements are put together and there are many combinations to those three elements.
Originally posted by eaganthorn
As far as sparing no expense in testing, the industry would only want to test the fuel for relative standards to fuel efficiency, octane ratings, and that which makes JP8 different from JP4 and so on.
Originally posted by eaganthorn
It is not my intention to insult you by pointing out that you do not understand basic or intermediate level chemistry as it really isn’t required for day to day activities, but some basic understanding is required for you to effectively argue this point with any intelligent leverage.
Originally posted by eaganthorn
Again the above statement further exemplifies that you do not understand conditions for chemical reactions, please review “ideal conditions for chemical reactions” and it should provide you with an answer as to why the fumes on the flight line may be much different from the fumes at 10,000 ft.
Originally posted by eaganthorn
And here my friend is where you couldn’t be more wrong as this type of conspiracy is one that is feasible because it is so potentially compartmental. The only ones who need to know about it would be the ones who initiated it. The scientist who created such a compound wouldn’t need to know it was to be introduced into aviation fuel, the boys at the refinery or the tank farm wouldn’t need to know anything other than that they are instructed to add this additive and that additive to aviation fuel and they could be told that the additives are to stop bacteria from growing or that it is a fuel detergent to prevent carbon build up. The fuel handlers wouldn’t need to know anything nor would the mechanics or flight line crew, pilot, FAA, truckers, etc.
Originally posted by eaganthorn
Any such compound could be called anything they wish, twinkie juice or dimethanolbromide-tetrasulfate.
DMHO Facts
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:
Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
Contributes to soil erosion.
Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.
Originally posted by eaganthorn
Do you really think Cletus at O’Hare or my pal “Sparky” over at Edwards AFB would know to question or even begin to know how to test for such a compound’s high heat properties or subsequent chemical reactions? No they wouldn’t, nor would you or I, we simply either trust or don’t trust, based on what we each have experienced.
Originally posted by eaganthorn[/
So the possibility of such a thing is feasible, despite your belief or trust but that being said, the practicality is another issue entirely. Could such small amounts of any substance make any significant difference or change at all?
Originally posted by Clearskies
Also, has anyone who 'believes' in chemtrails noticed that the effects are worse when the barometric pressure drops?
It gives me a headache.
Originally posted by defcon5
Think back to all the old timers who used to complain that they would get aches and pains when a storm front moves in.
Originally posted by Clearskies
NOT ALL flights were grounded.
"Top White House officials approved the evacuation of 140 Saudis including relatives of Osama bin Laden days after 9-11, when all commercial and private flights were grounded."
Originally posted by Clearskies
I know what you're saying, but, I don't have ruemetism or arthritus in my cranium.
These headaches come from toxins.
Originally posted by Clearskies
IMMEDIATE, PIERCING headaches right above my eyes.
Aerosinusitis
Aerosinusitis, also called barosinusitis, sinus squeeze or sinus barotrauma is a painful inflammation and sometimes bleeding of the membrane of the paranasal sinus cavities, normally the frontal sinus. It is caused by a difference in air pressures inside and outside the cavities.
Pressure Headache
If you've ever had a barometric pressure headache, you know it can be really difficult to deal with. Let's take a quick look at the research that's out there on barometric pressure headache and see if we can limit your pain!
It's been fairly obvious throughout history that weather, and particularly changes in the weather, have an effect on your body. In spite of this long line of weather-sensitive individuals, scientists are still unsure why changes in weather cause headaches and other migraines. There is a theory, however. Changes in pressure cause changes in oxygen levels.
It could be that blood vessels in your head expand or contract to compensate. Changes in the size of your blood vessels is part of the flow of changes that happen when you get a migraine headache. This is also why you may get a headache when flying, hiking, or even traveling to a new location.....
Many researchers believe that it's not pressure alone, but a variety of weather factors together that trigger migraine. A study done in 1981 found that during phase 4 weather migraines increased – that's weather with low pressure, the passage of a warm front, high temperature and humidity, and often overcast skies.
Originally posted by defcon5
Sorry its been a few days, I took some time off from here to go diving.
Originally posted by defcon5
I never claimed to be a chemist, simply that there are chemists, who worked for my company, who test the fuel continuously, as contamination of any type is a serious issue. Its easy enough to get a smaple of that exact same gas yourself, if you feel that you want to test it. It might be nice to have a member here do that so we can put this “fuel” conspiracy to bed. Apparently there was already a discovery channel show where they did this, and found nothing whatsoever in the fuel that did not belong there
Originally posted by defcon5
There's a show on Discovery right now called "Best Evidence". They're examining the whole "chemtrails" conspiracy theory.
Originally posted by defcon5
You are better suited at telling what the equipment is called, all I know is that the fuel is placed in a tube, and exposed to a magnet and centrifuge, then it produces a chart showing what elements are present in the fuel.
Originally posted by defcon5
Nope its tested for any type of contaminate. Could be something that is bleeding into the fuel in the lines, could be something growing on the walls of the tank, could have been exposed to something on shipping, etc.
Originally posted by defcon5
I have had basic chemistry, apparently the same as you, because if you were such the advanced chemist you would know that:
While the chemical reactions may differ some at higher altitude (it would be harder to start something on fire as there is less oxygen, or it may not burn as brilliantly), once it is burning it releases the same gas. If this were not the case then I could, for example, smoke a cigarette at 10,000 feet and not get any tar or nicotine from it... Unfortunately, not the case. If there was some type of poison present in the fuel we would be breathing it at an even more concentrated level here at sea level. The air here is at a higher BAR then it is at 10,000 feet, so it is denser and more concentrated then it is up there. The same way that when I dive I have to blow off the extra levels of nitrogen I inhale, due to increased density of the air at more then 1 BAR.
Originally posted by defcon5
Go get a part time job fueling aircraft, learn how airports work, and educate yourself, then come back here and tell me this garbage.
Originally posted by defcon5
DMHO Facts
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:
Originally posted by eaganthorn
Here is yet another reason why this type of conspiracy will not go away, ever. To effectively clear this up, completely, remove all doubt, one would need to know in advance, exactly what to look for and then sample test every batch of fuel at every airport and every plane. This of course is neither practical nor feasible without logical pre-existing knowledge of the presumptive contaminant to warrant such an expense incurred by this additional wave of testing. And if such a conspiracy had foundation in truth, certainly this action would be thwarted and circumvented by design.
Originally posted by Essan
And thus people will continue to fall for the hoax .... because it can never be disproven.