Mayan End Timeline Corrected

Spookyvince, they stopped research on what they were doing because they were making the Mayan calendar more complex then what it is.

The calendars they used were handed down to them by a previous civilization that we have no recorded history of, except the huge monuments that were built in Mexico. These include all the monuments near the Pyramid of the Sun, of the Moon and the Avenue of the Dead.

They were not built by the Mayans, thus the Icon's were not of Mayan creation either.

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here is the full picture of the above plus descriptions. I took it myself

I read this in a book somewhere can't remember it's name but it said something about it

A war to come a war to cripple all other wars
a war where five shall determine what shall happen to us, whether we live or die shall these five decide

it went something like that i not sure if it sill help but this topic brought up the memory of this verse. I think it has something to do with a few chosen people who will defend us but who knows

Can anyone post a "theorized" discription of what is being represented on that Tomb Lid hyroglyph. I can make out the basic formation, looks like a guy sitting in a "space ship" blasting off to the sky. But Iam looking for someones professional thoughts. I'll google it, but I'll try here first to see if I anyone knows of a good "theory".

The date 12/21 in any year is the winter solstice and is very relevant in precessionary cycles.... just an insight for your use

reply to post by robertfenix

Hi, I would be keen to see your database if you can email me [email protected] because I am just new to learning about the calendar and the cycles as such and have a very calculating and logical mind and do database work. SO if I was to see some timeline or chart it would give me a head start as I dont know where to begin myself. Anything I come across I can share and discuss with you if you wish.
thank you
Julie

I would suggest to some people that they should actually study Mayan history, archeaology, and literature. A good start would be the Popol Voh which is available at any good bookstore.

The Mayans did not predict the end of the world in 2012. Their calendar simply ends and must be renewed. Pacal the Great (the so-called Mayan astronaut) predicted that there would be a great celebration of his reign sometime in the 25th century.

The famous Mayan "astronaut" has been known by Mayan researchers to be from Pacal the Great's tomb. A study of Mayan art and symbolism shows that Pacal is falling into the mouth of the underworld. Also depicted is the World Tree which is the three planes of existence as well as the Celestial Bird. The symbols reflect both his deed and his lineage. Read "A Forest of Kings."

Well, I have a much different, perhaps simplified view of the Mayan calendar and why it is as it is, but the mention of Venus I do find curious.

There are several large meteoroids orbiting the sun that occasionally cross the earths orbit path and are of concern at times. One in particular appears to be a near miss for earth but a bit too close to call for Venus in the very near future. Perhaps someone here has knowledge of this near miss and can direct me to the info.

Aside from that, I am impressed with your calculations, good work, S&F for you.

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Howdy Eaganthorn

I've asked this question at the Bad Astronomy site. I'll post a link once a useable comment comes in.

My research from my independent study last year:

The Mayans, as we know, were possibly THE most sophisticated Meso-American culture. They lasted 6 centuries from 250 to 900 AD. They were the first American people to keep written records, one of the first peoples in the world to use a calendar, and are often credited with the creation of the concept of zero. The Mayan actually had three different calendars, a calendar called the Tzolkin is known for being the sacred calendar, which is based on the Pleiades star cluster. Later they combined this system on a lunar calendar based on the women’s moon cycle called Tun-Uc. The Tzolkin calendar was probably adapted from Zapotec culture of Mexico. The short calendar had 260 day years, made up of 13 months of 20 days each. Each day of the month had a name which corresponded to a god. This type of calendar dates back to 600 BCE, and is used to track star movement. The pyramid and temple complexes which the Mayans are also famous for are based on this cycle. Each day of the month had different meanings which were used for naming, weddings, and dates for rituals or battles. I had to do a little more research to understand this system and how it was used.

The Maya also had another type of calendar, called the Haab or Vague Year. It was highly advanced, only a quarter of a day off of the solar year. This was the agricultural calendar and was used to plan planting and harvesting. The calendar was arranged by 20 day groups numbered zero to 19. There were 18 of these group-months in the year followed by an unlucky period called the Uayeb of 5 days, making a total of 365 days. The Haab and the Tzolkin formed the calendar round of the Mayans which was a 52 year cycle, and at the beginning of each of these cycled there were great festivities and celebrations, as well as new temples. The Haab is very similar to our own calendar and shows the great mathematical skill of the Maya.

The last type of calendar used by the Maya is the Long Count. Before I continue, I’d like to say that the reason I have been spending more time on the Mayan calendar is due to the supposed end of the world in 2012, as predicted by this culture, and specifically this calendar. Because I will probably be alive four years from now, I think this is somewhat important, and would like to understand this in greater detail. The Long Count has been deemed by some as more accurate as the Julian Calendar. It starts at the Mayan year equivalent to January 1st, AD 1, which to them is 3114BC. This date is 0-0-0-0-0. The cycles are made up of 394 years, and the Mayans accounted for 13 cycles. Turns out that the end of these 13 sets of cycles occurs in 2012, which means the beginning of a new cycle. The Long Count is made up of numerous categories of time. A tun is 360 days. 20 tuns is a katun. 20 tuns is a baktun. And 13 baktuns is the great cycle. Essentially the end of the Great Cycle meant the end of the world to the Mayans, occurring on the winter solstice of 2012. This does not seem to mark the end of reality because the Mayans marked a royal anniversary to occur in October 4772 AD. The Mayan calendar is a very complex, mystical system which is still maintained by calendar priests in Mexico and in Guatemala. The calendar is still used for divination and ritual purposes, and has also been mentioned in many New Age books.

reply to post by ravenshadow13


Howdy Ravenshadow

and are often credited with the creation of the concept of zero.

In Mesoamerica the Olmec probably created the concept and use of the zero and the later civilization of the Maya adapted the concept and glyph to their own system.

A pseudo zero was in use by the Babylonians about 5,000 BP and the Greeks hem and hawed about it for centuries. The first concrete use in the old world was in India.

*shrug* I said often credited, not necessarily true.
They did teach us that it was the Mayans in Spanish class! But whatever, not really what my study was about.

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Yes it was a good summary of the three calendars, I was just being picky!

reply to post by Hanslune


Haha, don't worry about it. Maybe I'll post the whole thing on here one day... it was on enigmatic peoples/places/objects. It was a year long, 10 hours a week appox, and I got a year's credit for it in Humanities.

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Ah well done then. Keep it safe and if you're ever in an interview and they ask for an example of something you've done or created.....whip it out.

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I totally did. That's how I got into an elite college with no AP classes on my record(against competition in the school system)

Anyway, I found a lot of information about the Mayans and their relationship with the Egyptians... but I was interested in the calendar because of 2012. I think the description of the calendars was pretty good, but it took me awhile to understand it at first.

Also in my research I stated why I don't believe in complete destruction in 2012- because of the anniversary dates specified in Mayan records years past then.

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Obviously I don't find anything remotedly relevant in that date. There is nothing at all in the 2012 calendar ending, that will have any effect on us*.

Obviously the world didn't end in the way the Mayan myths say they didprevious four times.

The whole 2012 thingy is a new age hand waving exercise - I suspect we'll be very tired of it 3 years and 11 months in the future.

*I take that back it. Iill have an effect, massive amounts of useless commentary will be made, hand wringing, shouting , stupidity and general nuttiness will come out of this baseless belief. Hopefully no Heaven's gate type disasters will occur.

My my the number crunchers come out in droves as we get closer to 2012. Must be something itching a nerve or comfy zone IMO.

Ok those civilizations were around thousands of years long before our less than perfect systems, yet those ancient civilizations managed to plot planitary movements, base their calanders on those movements, calculate backwards in time, and forwards in time with incredible accuracy.

Yet for the last 5 years or so, many have thrown in their own little calculations to try to come up with an "adjustment" to change what has stood for eons.

What is the big deal? 2012 is only the ending of their calander count. No end of the world, no huge mega disaster, unless mankind causes it.

So many have attempted to try to "come close" to the Mesoamerican accuracy, from mathmaticians to phd's to armchair "I solved it"'s.

Not to say that the OP doesnt know how to do math, but what makes this any different from the countless others who have attempted to "fix" the timelines of the Masoamerican count?



Cheers!!!!

Haha, right. I'm pretty sure the supposed date would be in 2012. Do I think some catastrophe will happen? Probably not. And for all those hardcore 2012 people- if you believe the calendar enough for the date of the calendar end, then you need to believe that the world will not be destroyed, because there are dates past 2012 in the Mayan calendar.

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Not to mention all the other destructions that the myths suggest. I'm sure the Sumerians were not aware of their world being destroyed and then recreated in 3114 BC