Have Atheists Hijacked Darwin's Evolution??

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by Rustami
reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact

 

interesting info "ing- the people of" very cool! especially in light of the fact of hearing "I am Jesus" audibly in plain English, can't wait to delve into this subject a lil more in-depth, thanks for the spurring on

we hear, each in our own language in which we were born-Acts2

wow a logical voice finally, where did all these little green men come from ?

Logical? It just passes for legible.

reply to post by Tetrarch42


appears you're unimpressed with my kindergarten level writing skills-have you seen juniors' grades?

The fact is that some people are not ready to evolve. GOD is Love. Love is all.

Understanding+Acceptance=Love.

A little formula for all the scientists and philosophers out there.
It's so simple, love. The Universe evolves naturally.

reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact


This thread is so stupid...

Saying atheists have hijacked Darwin's theory is like saying we hijacked gravity. How can you hijack facts? Is merely mentioning facts that contradict the creationism viewpoints "hijacking"?

reply to post by MrXYZ


because atheists can not hijack some thing that is "just" and true, atheism's cause can only be attached to something that is against nature and bad at its ultimate ends... like the radical racial and self-centered doctrine Darwin's theory has evolved into.

I liked the (we) part of your post though

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact

 

This thread is so stupid...

Saying atheists have hijacked Darwin's theory is like saying we hijacked gravity. How can you hijack facts? Is merely mentioning facts that contradict the creationism viewpoints "hijacking"?

in case you miss the point...

Evolution is "explainable" but Gravity is "incomprehensible"

just as the "Light" is incomprehensible to Atheists...

thank you Isaac Newton

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact

 

This thread is so stupid...

Saying atheists have hijacked Darwin's theory is like saying we hijacked gravity. How can you hijack facts? Is merely mentioning facts that contradict the creationism viewpoints "hijacking"?

in case you miss the point...

Evolution is "explainable" but Gravity is "incomprehensible"

just as the "Light" is incomprehensible to Atheists...

thank you Isaac Newton

Actually, we have a pretty good idea how light works

For sure.

This thread makes so little sense I've avoided it - til now.

I'm hanging out in hubby's computer room - - with little to do but play on the Net.

I've read the whole thread now. Is there a point I am missing? Am I in some alternate universe - that there is absolutely no logic or reality in this thread from the OP?

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

because atheists can not hijack some thing that is "just" and true, atheism's cause can only be attached to something that is against nature and bad at its ultimate ends... like the radical racial and self-centered doctrine Darwin's theory has evolved into.

I liked the (we) part of your post though

Could you please explain how atheism has somehow transformed evolution into something "radically racial" or "self-centered". Please actually demonstrate this as opposed to just asserting it ad nauseum. Evolution is a fact, irrespective of who believes or doesn't believe in it, sorry, but you have no case here.

Originally posted by Annee
For sure.

This thread makes so little sense I've avoided it - til now.

I'm hanging out in hubby's computer room - - with little to do but play on the Net.

I've read the whole thread now. Is there a point I am missing? Am I in some alternate universe - that there is absolutely no logic or reality in this thread from the OP?

Why couldn't you post that on page one and end this ridiculous monster early on?

Originally posted by Tetrarch42
Evolution is a fact, irrespective of who believes or doesn't believe in it, sorry, but you have no case here.

Evolution is not a fact. It is a theory based on factual finds.

No Atheist should refer to Evolution as a fact.

I'd say Natural Selection is fact based and supports the Theory of Evolution.

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by Annee
For sure.

This thread makes so little sense I've avoided it - til now.

I'm hanging out in hubby's computer room - - with little to do but play on the Net.

I've read the whole thread now. Is there a point I am missing? Am I in some alternate universe - that there is absolutely no logic or reality in this thread from the OP?

Why couldn't you post that on page one and end this ridiculous monster early on?

- because I just caught on to Cosmic.Artifact's threads.

Let me abide by T&C rules not to address the poster in question. Doing so might result in consequences

reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

because atheists can not hijack some thing that is "just" and true, atheism's cause can only be attached to something that is against nature and bad at its ultimate ends...

I'm sorry, but science is neither just nor unjust. It is merely a tool for finding truth in the universe, these truths being referred to as theories. Justice is found in the application of this knowledge. You can, of course, take biochemistry and use it to cure illness...or you can take it and use it to poison people. You can use an understanding of physics to send people to the moon...or you can make weapons of mass destruction.

Of course, I've never seen how anyone could use evolution, the theory that explains biodiversity, in a way to kills people.

like the radical racial and self-centered doctrine Darwin's theory has evolved into.

Odd, how is it self-centered? Evolution is based upon species-level change over successive generations and has no impact on the self.

I guess I'm going to have to post these questions again as you seem to have stated these things again. Remember, you can't get away with such extraordinary claims without presenting extraordinary evidence.

Soooo:

Question 1: Where is the evidence in Darwin's writings that he was a racist? No, the subtitle of a book isn't enough to draw a conclusion about the material contained within.

Question 2: Where is the evidence of negative social impact with regard to Darwin's theory of evolution?

Question 3: Where is the evidence that Darwin's writings and scientific findings influenced any dictatorship? Please provide direct quotes from these dictators.

Question 4: Why would it be dangerous to teach children actual, fact-based science?

Question 5: Do you or do you not agree that Darwin's theory of evolution is the best way to explain the diversity of life found upon planet Earth?

Question 6: How is evolution a racist ideology?

And introducing Question 19 in my "Questions for Cosmic.Artifact" series:

Question 19: How is evolution "self-centered"?

I liked the (we) part of your post though

He is an atheist, you were talking about atheists, therefore the pronoun 'we' is entirely valid.

reply to post by Annee


No, the theory of evolution is a fact at this point. We have too much evidence for it to be otherwise. There is absolutely no better explanations found over the past 150 years. We've even observed speciation. Now, it might not be 100% valid on every single semantic and technical point, but the general theory of species-level change over successive generations due to selective pressures (both natural and sexual) working on novel mutations in genes which results in a change in allele frequency? That is definitely true. May there be more to it? Maybe, but it would most likely be irrelevant to that statement.

Evolution is up there with germ theory, and cell theory in the field of biology.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Tetrarch42
Evolution is a fact, irrespective of who believes or doesn't believe in it, sorry, but you have no case here.

Evolution is not a fact. It is a theory based on factual finds.

No Atheist should refer to Evolution as a fact.

I'd say Natural Selection is fact based and supports the Theory of Evolution.

Evolution is a fact. Animals change over time, to a greater extent, all things change over time. This is demonstrable. The Theory of Evolution is the framework which best fits and explains this phenomenon. Empirically, we see evolution occurring in a change of allele frequencies or characteristics within a population over generations.

The real reason creationists act as if Darwin put sand in their vaginas is because they know the theory of evolution disproves the genesis account. The theory of evolution proved that humans didn't just pop up in their current form, which of course goes directly against the genesis account.

Given that such a crucial part of their belief system has been disproven, it's only rational that they are angry/disappointed/insecure/confused. They have 2 ways of dealing with this:

1) Continue to attack a theory that has so much evidence as backup it would make an attack seem like Don Quixote hunting windmills.
2) Act logically and maybe start questioning their belief (or the church's interpretation of it) a bit more.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Annee

 

No, the theory of evolution is a fact at this point. We have too much evidence for it to be otherwise. There is absolutely no better explanations found over the past 150 years. We've even observed speciation. Now, it might not be 100% valid on every single semantic and technical point, but the general theory of species-level change over successive generations due to selective pressures (both natural and sexual) working on novel mutations in genes which results in a change in allele frequency? That is definitely true. May there be more to it? Maybe, but it would most likely be irrelevant to that statement.

Evolution is up there with germ theory, and cell theory in the field of biology.

OK - - got my Theory and Hypothesis mixed up . Never doubted Evolution.

The word theory, when used by scientists, refers to an explanation of reality that has been thoroughly tested so that most scientists agree on it. It can be changed if new information is found. Theory is different from a working hypothesis, which is a theory that hasn't been fully tested; that is, a hypothesis is an unproven theory. The word theory also distinguishes ideas from practice. The words empirical and clinical are also used to distinguish theory from practice. *This is different from laypeople's use of the word theory which is usually used to mean an idea that isn't certain, that is not reality.

*see that last bold sentence? - apparently I'm not the only one.

Madnessinmysoul - - thanks for keeping me honest (and educated). You are one of my favorite posters.

A purely personal account here.

At age 7 my parents were asked to remove me from Sunday school..(not sure if this is anything but a British thing)

Why? Because I was disruptive. The problem was two fold, the question
"Why would God do that ?"

The statement
"That doesn't make sense."

7 is when I became, though I'm fairly sure I did not know the term at the time, an atheist.

Learning about evolution and other sciences progressed for me at the normal pace for any child. Most of it made sense...an awful lot of it has been revised since then. Revised due to our understanding of "life, the universe and everything" becoming more complex. (Indeed we are a much better class of ignorant now)
Obviously this is anecdotal and I cannot provide physical, concrete evidence beyond the personal testimony itself

The only change I have seen in religion in the same period is a rise in closed minded dismissal of anything that contradicts their worldview (no matter which religion). and a desperate grabbing at straws as more and more people start to ask the self same questions that I asked 40 years ago.

So in answer to the original post. No, however it would seem to be a wonderful 'bone of contention' for the religiously minded to use in their undying quest for followers.

Individuals with an atheistic bent may use it to attract attention (attention usually generates cash...the true motivation). But there is no worldwide atheist conspiracy.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
The real reason creationists act as if Darwin put sand in their vaginas is because they know the theory of evolution disproves the genesis account. The theory of evolution proved that humans didn't just pop up in their current form, which of course goes directly against the genesis account.

Given that such a crucial part of their belief system has been disproven, it's only rational that they are angry/disappointed/insecure/confused. They have 2 ways of dealing with this:

1) Continue to attack a theory that has so much evidence as backup it would make an attack seem like Don Quixote hunting windmills.
2) Act logically and maybe start questioning their belief (or the church's interpretation of it) a bit more.

Good point, evolution proves the whole Garden of Eden thing to be non-sense

No garden of Eden – so no fall/original sin – so no jebus character mooching around Israel trying to fix something which was never broken in the first place

Yep no wonder the theory of evolution gives christians SVS (sandy vagina syndrome)

Originally posted by Noncompatible
A purely personal account here.

At age 7 my parents were asked to remove me from Sunday school..(not sure if this is anything but a British thing)

Why? Because I was disruptive. The problem was two fold, the question
"Why would God do that ?"

The statement
"That doesn't make sense."

7 is when I became, though I'm fairly sure I did not know the term at the time, an atheist.

That's funny. I remember my gramma taking me to Catholic church. At 5 years old I remember asking her "Why does God need all this?"

I am 64 now and agree that I always knew God did not make any sense to me. I fully admit I went through all the motions and spiritual search in trying to fit into society. Although I never let anyone "own" me.