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Originally posted by badmedia
I think you should change the title also to debunkers. I rarely even go to the 9/11 forums because everytime I see a debunker, it is constant ad hominem attacks.
Group everyone into the same group, then point out the most ridiculous element of it, and then paint it onto the entire group as a way of ignoring the valid elements. And when the ridiculous doesn't exist - create it.
ATS should make an Ad hominem counter. And everytime a mod see's a person making such an attack, they get a point added to their counter.
They are, really. If you want people to be open minded and see your truth, you've got to give them reasons for doing so. If you don't want people blindly believing the government, why would you expect them to blindly believe you?
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Proof, in fact, is the most elusive 5 letter word in the English dictionary.
Many things that scientists, theologians, and archaeologists claim are proofs, are nothing more than "indications tending to support a theory".
Maybe not, but it's a misdirection tactic. We CAN reasonably correlate things together. We CAN establish a reasonable framework within which we determine what is true, and what is not.
Originally posted by thrashee
I don't mean to group everyone together here. There are those CTs/believers who actually caveat their claims by stating they are only expressing beliefs, and usually I don't challenge such posts. And there are others who agree that they cannot prove their claims, and I try to applaud them as well for being honest. This post is meant for the other half, so to speak.
Originally posted by badmedia
I just get tired of it is all.
Originally posted by thrashee
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Proof, in fact, is the most elusive 5 letter word in the English dictionary.
Many things that scientists, theologians, and archaeologists claim are proofs, are nothing more than "indications tending to support a theory".
With all due respect, your response here is typical regarding the demand for proof. You've even gone so far as to demonstrate how science can't absolutely PROVE anything.
Maybe not, but it's a misdirection tactic. We CAN reasonably correlate things together. We CAN establish a reasonable framework within which we determine what is true, and what is not. This isn't about spinning into an epistemological argument of what is true, but rather what do we logically and reasonably accept to be true, given what we know today.
Maybe life is but a dream. But in the meantime, if you tell me science has proven that eating Fig Newtons causes heart attacks, you bet your britches I'm going to avoid them in the candy aisle.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritusOnce in a great while, what seems like a WILD conspiracy or theory turns out to be true. What IF one of those wild ideas turn out to be something that greatly benefits mankind? Let ideas bloom. People can decide whether to debate them or ignore them. That is what freedom of choice is about.
The owners of ATS have given us this forum to discuss such ideas. We have had enough stifling of freedom by our Congress. This is one place where we still can express ideas and opinions. Let's not try to limit that.