Who do Ron Paul supporters choose?

I can't vote for Baldwin, for a very ironic reason. I am simply too much of a constitutionalist to support his religious basis. It seems our Constitution Party candidate has overlooked the separation of church and state.

Edit to actually answer the question in the OP.

I'm not decided, I can't bring myself to vote for one of the big two, and I share the same concerns many of you do about Barr. I think perhaps I'll write in my own name, as a vote of no confidence. Or maybe I'll scribble "The Body"... Can we clone JFK yet?

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This is true. It appears his views on abortion and gay marriage are based soley on his religion.

I agree with him on abortion regardless; in a humanitarian sense. I think there are other options for mothers with unwanted pregnancies. The fact that his stance is based on religion is of no consequence if you agree with the outcome.

Gay marriage is another thing, but one that seems decidedly less important than someones life, or issues that deal with the well-being of the country as a whole. I am straight, but I do not have a problem with the idea of gay marriage. To each his own, I say, as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of another. In this case it certainly does not. Therefore, I agree with you in the fact that Chuck Baldwin has no right to pass judgement on gay men and women based upon his religious beliefs.

There's that 5% I mentioned...

So far, I think I could look past that for the greater good.

Any other picks? So far, this seems to be a thread about whether you're voting for Chuck Baldwin, or writing in Ron Paul.

Any views on the other candidates?

Originally posted by MyrTheSeekerThe fact that his stance is based on religion is of no consequence if you agree with the outcome.

I have to disagree with this statement. The fact that his stance is based on religion speaks volumes about his basis for every decision he is required to make. While you may agree with the outcome of one particular issue, it's the process by which he develops his stances that is of concern. He can't be trusted to make a decision based on common sense, topical knowledge, thorough investigation or foresight. Instead, we already know he'll simply take the stance espoused by his religion. It's much easier that way, as very little contemplation is required on his part. He's using a manual of sorts. Unfortunately, "Running the country for dummies" probably isn't the best way to actually run the country.

Edit for spelling.

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Perhaps I should clarify that I do not feel that Chuck actually has a chance of being elected.

I say that his stance on these key matters is all that counts because by voting for him (knowing that he most likely will not be president), I am simply declaring my own positions (for the most part). It is a method of letting the GOP know exactly why you did not vote for their candidate, and therefore a bit more effective than not voting at all.

Cheers!

Originally posted by MyrTheSeeker
reply to post by MrWendal

 

Aside from the fact that Ron Paul endorses Chuck Baldwin, why do YOU support him?

What are your thoughts on his mixing of religion and politics?

I do not support Chuck because Ron Paul endorsed him, but I thank you for telling me why I do what I do. Obviously your in a much better position to know my thoughts and actions than I am.

Now to answer the actual question... why?

The problems created over the years by the Clinton's and the Bush's and even before them will not be fixed over night. In all actuality it will take more than just "the next President" and it will have to be a step by step process.

In my opinion the first step will start with regaining our Personal Liberties and Freedoms as provided by the Constitution. It starts with removing the Federal Reserve and actually doing the right thing with our economic policies. Chuck Baldwin in my opinion is a very good first step into the right direction.

Now...I do not believe religion has any place in politics but you are not going to find a "perfect" candidate. The world is not a perfect place and the people in it are not perfect. To think that you will find a perfect Candidate is not only naive, but also very very foolish. It simply will not happen. What you will find is a Candidate who will tell you all the "perfect" things to get your vote, then do as they please. The last 28 years should be "perfect" evidence of this. Starting this election...I'm thinking long term. Long term solutions to problems that we have had for quite some time. Would I vote for Chuck in 4 years? Probably not. It would depend on what the situation is in the country at that time and what has been done to correct are already existing problems. I think Chuck is a great first step, but not a great second step, and if you think it will take less than 4 years to repair the damage done by this Bush Administration, then I have nothing for you.

On election day I will be sitting home, drinking heavily, and mourning the death of America.



Thanks but no thanks. I choose none of the above, and I am starting to believe that one is no better and no different from the other.


Sorry for such pessimism, but I have pretty much had it with these politicians.


[edit on 10/3/08 by BlackOps719]

Originally posted by MyrTheSeeker
reply to post by Unit541

 

This is true. It appears his views on abortion and gay marriage are based soley on his religion.

I agree, they are. Is that not his right?

The way I see it, these are two issues that do not deserve to be on the national stage. These are state issues and should be decided by the states, which is something that a true Constitutionalist would believe is it not?

I intend to cast my vote for Chuck Baldwin because his views most closely match my own. I am not worried about his religious beliefs, even though they closely resemble my own, because you still have Congress to keep him in check.

That is assuming that they do what they are all supposed to do.

I think it will be refreshing to have a non politician in office.

Some may say that voting third party is throwing your vote away. I think if people would stop saying that and actually cast a vote for the best person for the job, we might find we all the believe the same way.

I support Ron Paul which is why i'm voting Obama.

Obama gives us the best chance of a Democrat President, Congress and Senate. That means a lot of stuff is going to get done in the next four years. Stuff I don't agree with? Probably.

As a nation we need to get a little further down this dark dark road if we want a real revolution. Vote for all the third party candidates you want in the presidential election this season, it's not going to matter. That's why you gotta have a strategy that exemplifies your principles.

The important thing here is to drive the country to a worse place than we are, as hard as that may be to imagine. In reality, McCain and Obama can both get us there. Obama can just get us there faster.

So vote for Obama, let him destroy the country along with the Congress and Senate. The good news is that he'll at least improve our reputation around the world.

In the meantime, Do a google search for " election information" or " supervisor of elections". Find out who ELSE is running in your districts, who is up for election and OUST them.

Go to the campaign for liberty website and donate to BJ (i forget his last name... casey?). They're doing a money bomb for him and he needs all the help he can get. Grass roots is going to change the face of this nation, because change like this takes a long time and happens from the bottom UP.

So vote Democrat at the top of the ticket because it doesn't really matter, and vote for REAL change in Congress, the Senate, and any other offices where libertarians, constitutionalists, green party, or whatever is running. Volunteer for them. Donate to them. They're the one's who really need all the help they can get, and the only people they'll have to pay back is their constituents.

So... vote for the same old crap when you vote for Obama, but fill out the rest of that ballot with your REAL conscience. They're the one's who are going to change this nation in 10 years time.

What do we do the next ten years? Hmm... money in the mattress, don't let go of your fire arms, and find jobs in the internet 'cause they're about the only things that are gonna be safe. =)

God bless america!

It's not even politics anymore. The whole thing has morphed into some sort of surreal alternate reality masquerading as politics.

I'm not voting for anyone. But I'm voting against Palin. The thought of having to listen to that voice for 4 years really makes me wanna puke.

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You support Ron Paul so in turn you will vote for Obama?


All due respect and I mean this in the nicest way possible, but are you kidding?


Barack Obama and Ron Paul are a complete 180 agree opposite of each other. One is an old school constitutional conservative and the other is ...well...he is an uber liberal socialist.

One wants to eliminate big government, stop wild fire spending, end the war in the middle east and let the people decide how they want to live.

The other will implement huge giganic government, out of control spending, socialization of education, business and higher taxes. Not to mention a socialist welfare state. AND he wants to invade Afghanistan and possibly Pakistan.

Voting for Obama as an option to Ron Paul makes no sense at all whatsoever.

But I feel your pain, any reason NOT to vote for Mccain makes sense enough I guess. There is a 90% chance Obama will make things in America worse, but there is a 100% chance Mccain will.

Sad choice to have to make .

Goodbye fascism, hello communism.

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You need to read all of his post before coming to conclusions.

Although I dont agree with him out of principle, it is an actual strategy I guess, and that is the most likely outcome of this election anyhow.

What he was saying is that he is voting for Obama because he is most UNLIKE Ron Paul. This, hopefully, would drudge up enough social unrest that by the next election year, America will have taken off it blinders.

Interesting take on it all, regardless.

Originally posted by MyrTheSeeker
What he was saying is that he is voting for Obama because he is most UNLIKE Ron Paul. This, hopefully, would drudge up enough social unrest that by the next election year, America will have taken off it blinders.

Most Americans will never take off the blinders! Reality is to ugly.
And as for "social unrest"..... Not when the big dogs control food distrubution, not to mention the power grid, everything really.

It's a brave new world, welcome to the monkey house and letem eat cake.

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While I don't agree with some of what you saidabout Obama, I do agree with your voting strategy. I think this presidential election is too important to waste a vote on a third party candidate who either is no longer runnung or has no chance to win. But a huge message could be sent by voting third party at the State and local levels.

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Actually the candidates for vice president are very important in this race. To my mind, a vote for Obama is vote for Biden and against Palin. When you look at the vice president candidate who will be " a heart beat away" form the presidency, the choice is obvious.

I may have missed something, and I am not being 'cute', but if Diebold is still counting the votes does it really matter ?
If the last two election have taught me anything it is that the system is more corrupt then I had ever imagined.

I was also an ardent Ron Paul supporter, really still am but he can't win now.

The McCain/Palin ticket must NEVER be elected, it will be very bad for America & the world. The GOP and the RNC treated Ron Paul and his delegates like crap, when you consider he had over 1 Million primary; very vocal votes, he will most likely lose about 75% of those now.

So Obama all the way, I disagree with him on lots of issues, however McCain is not what America needs right now, maybe in 2000 but NOT in 2008.

I was a neocon that pulled for Bush in 2000, but after 9/11 even before I found out about the lies, I soured on Bush, dispite many of my core beliefs being the same as the GOP platform. The greater good must be looked at for now.

I hope for a Obama/Biden win now.

[edit on 4-10-2008 by Blue_Jay33]

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I am not joking, not in the least.

I support the ideals of the Ron Paul Revolution and I understand that the only way to get us there is to increase our numbers. The only way to increase our numbers is to speed up the process. The best way to speed up the process this year is to vote Democrat because the House and Senate will also be Democrat controlled.

Lots of things are going to get pushed through in four years. I may not like what those things are, in fact, i'm counting on it.

This YouTube generation is already starting to catch up with politics-as-usual and in 4-8 years when we're paying out our ears for whichever policies get implemented, the Republicans aren't going to be able to say "see? that's what you should vote for us!" Because with the ability to instantly call up Bush-Rove-Gore-Clinton-Obama-McCain-Palin-Etc.-Etc.-Etc., maybe people will finally start to notice this which started with Johnson's Great Society.

Democrats spend, Republicans save. Democrats spend, Republicans save. Republicans wage war, Democrats make peace. Republicans wage war, Democrats make peace. It's a tug of war and we're the rope. I don't want to be the rope anymore, my ends are frayed.

We need revolution and we're not going to find that revolution unless we speed up the process. This can only be done if people wake up. They can only wake up if we speed up the process. We can only speed up the process by voting for Obama.

First let me say that regarding write-ins, if the person has not been qualified as a write-in in your State the vote is not even recorded. Ron Paul was I believe qualified in some states by his supporters, but this brings me to the most important point.

THE PRESIDENTIAL BALLOT IS NOT THE SAME IN EVERY STATE.

Some of the third party candidates are not choices in every state. I am still trying to confirm who is. The best I can gather at this stage is that Barr is on the most if not all state ballots.

The reason I bring this up is because the only way to make a statement to the Major Parties now, who have totally spit in our faces, is to show a unified front against the system - period. Personally, I made a promise to all my Representatives over the bailout - sell us out and you will not get my vote, vote against the bailout and you will. I'm sticking to that (rewarding my Congressman), but now, even though I have always considered a third party candidate a throw away vote, both Senators ignored the majority of their constiuents and voted for the bailout. I CANNOT give either of them my vote for President.

Now, if the majority of the people stand together and keep to what they said, that their votes will be based on the bailout, there just might be a real surprise in November. Is it too late to get the word out on this? There are enough people out there, if unified to really send a message, but you have to pick a candidate that has the most presence on the ballots from State to State, and like it or not, it's Barr, so he's getting my vote. (Even though it's going to be pretty hard for me to do it.)

It just doesn't matter anymore what they stand for, this election is about not taking it anymore, and since they've already ruined our Country for generations to come, we have to take a stand against the spit in the face attitude (as evidenced by the votes on the bailout bill), because it doesn't even matter who wins now, what matters is they clearly know we expect them to respond to their constituents - or we have nothing left.

You can find a Roll Call Vote posted by LOAM in the Global Meltdown Forum if you need to see how someone on your ballot in Congress or the Senate voted on the bailout. I was happy to see my Congressman actually earned my vote. I am also saving this list for the future, because I intend for it to be my guide next time around too for those not facing the ballot till later. I WILL NOT FORGET!

Nader is not a Democrat.

He is an independent, and is considered an ''enemy'' of the Democratic Party.

He is for universal healthcare, withdrawal from Iraq, ending support for Israeli terrorists, crackdown on corporate crime, and reopened the 911 investigation.

Nader is my choice for president.

Watch the documentary "An Unreasonable Man" and learn what an honest American he is.