Steve Fossett Items Found in Mammoth Lakes, CA: FAA ID Cards?

It looks like Ed Dames got it wrong. Dames used remote viewing to pinpoint the location near Kennedy Lake, north of Yosemite.

reply to post by Skyfloating


So I'm assuming you believe the 2000 or so people who were killed in the WTC buildings never really "died" either, since their bodies were never found?

Fuel burns things & animals eat. Let's not be as dense as a cinderblock...

BBC Radio now reporting that the aircraft appears to have "smashed straight into the side of a mountain".

Originally posted by Grafilthy
That theory......the one where he was in debt and faked his own death.....

Why did he have at least $1000 cash on him? Most people, even if they have lots of money......don't need that kind of CASH on them. Usually they would have credit cards and whatnot. Any ideas? Did he always have that kind of cash on his person?

The Reno Championship Air Races brings a lot of people with a lot of money to the area. It was my understanding (perhaps I got it wrong) he was attending a "fly in" at Hilton Ranch down in Gardnerville as preperation for attending the races. When these guys roll into town they drop BIG money at the casino's etc... A grand for a guy like Steve Fossett is pocket change for most of us.

I see quite a few references to "not survivable" landings in the rugged areas of the Sierra.

Not necessarily true.

Granted, mountain flying in a small plane can be dangerous and one reason that most of it is accomplished in the early morning hours after dawn.

Since Mr. Fossett was flying an aerobatic plane and was a skilled pilot he could have set the aircraft down at a very low speed.
That's assuming he wasn't blown into a bad area - trees, cliffs, etc. - by the strong mountain winds.
It can be very difficult to get out of the grip of such a wind when flying light aircraft.


When I flew Cessna 150's - a high wing single engine trainer airplane - part of the student pilot training was "slow-flight."
At times we would see an indicated 35 mph.
Stall speed on the 150-C is 50 mph and the reason the plane doesn't stall when in the slow flight regime is that the engine is at max power so the thrust vector angle and windstream from the prop adds to the lift.

The 35 mph figure could be off a bit due to the extreme nose-up angle which can create airspeed indicator accuracies due to the pitot tube does not register correct airspeed unless it's square to the oncoming airflow.

Regardless, slow flight is quite slow and a few times my instructor demonstrated you could use it to land in a very short area if you were flying into a headwind.


An additional experience was joining a pilot who was flying a retractable gear high wing single engine Cessna four passenger - forget the model number - and doing what's called air work.
Something a lot of newly licensed pilots fail to do after their basic training and obtaining their basic license.

He did steep turns, approach to a stall, slow flight and most importantly we made quite a few simulated dead-stick approaches to a short (2500' usable) country asphalt runway airport.

It was an interesting and fun afternoon for the two of us.


Three weeks later that same pilot and airplane with a total of four aboard lost the engine near Lake Tahoe.
Lake Tahoe as most of you know is rugged and heavily forested.

He set the plane down in the best area he could find - which was tough to say the least.

No one got hurt, the plane was damaged, but upright.
It was later helicoptered out, taken to a nearby field, stripped of it's wings and trailered to it's home airport in Central California.

The plane was rebuilt and I understand still flying today.

I'd bet as well the pilot is still doing airwork when he can and retaining flight proficiency.


Kudo's to the honest hiker who found the money, cards etc.
Since he didn't know who Mr. Fossett was he could have tossed the cards, kept the money and the mystery perhaps would have joined the likes of the DB Cooper legend.

reply to post by TheRooster


no he died. hardly a survivable crash. thread on the plane FOUND


FOSSETT PLANE FOUND

This is still perplexing because according the news sources, Steve's
plan flew headlong right into a mountain side. The sherrif said that
people never survive these kind of head-on plane crashes. YET,
there is no body near the wreckage and the personal belongings
we've been reading about were found all together, about a quarter
mile from the crashed plane.

As I said last night, a forensic study of the personal effects, and now
the plane, should shed a lot of light on what happened to Mr. Fossett.
There's still more articles of clothing to be found too. I don't think
wild animals would eat his shoes and pants. The only mystery solved
so far is the plane's location. What happened to cause the crash will
be known soon too after the plane is analyzed. -cwm

I see quite a few references to "not survivable" landings in the rugged areas of the Sierra.

I guess their is still a small chance.

Nevertheless, my hat off to Mr. Steve Fossett.

We are all richer in regard to the life of Mr. Fossett.


[edit on 2-10-2008 by whiteraven]

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by TheRooster

 

no he died. hardly a survivable crash. thread on the plane FOUND


FOSSETT PLANE FOUND

Yeah, I know he died. My response was an effort to answer the question as to why someone with Steve fossett's means would have that kind of cash on him. I suspect he didn't go out flying that day with the intention of crashing and dying.

BK, if you've never stood beside a high roller and watch them burn through a few hundred thousand dollars in a casino, it's kind of like you and I going through a few hundred, only there's a few goons wearing ear peices making sure you don't get too close, and there's a few more (actually, let me speak for myself as you appear to be a ladies man from Las Vegas) hot chicks going ooooh and aaaaah!

Edited to add: And oh, your thread was shut down, redirected to this one.


[edit on 10/2/2008 by TheRooster]

To me this seems very suspicious.....

I mean, take the interview with the hiker that found the stuff..

Link to BBC video

What he says at the end, its like..... Oh I just stumbled upon it, no wallet, it was just there..... $100 bills after a year's weathering in a desert AND it didn't blow away? It just happened to be near the cloths he was wearing and his FAA card.... Hmmmmm?

Its kinda like the WTC case, where by an hour after the collapse they found the hijackers passport..... Right, so it survived the crash and conveniently landed somewhere for someone to pick it up.... Riiiiight

Since nobody's posted the pictures here yet here you go. looking at the photos I'd have to say if he didn't bail out he's indeed gone on to the next dimension - that is where we go when we're dead. He had a great life.












[edit on 3-10-2008 by verylowfrequency]

To me this seems very suspicious.....

reply to post by Kliskey


I have noticed a lot of comments like this on some other news sights.

This is the thing that drives the mystery of Steve Fossett....not everything adds up right!

Peace

reply to post by verylowfrequency

Thanks verylfreq....I was looking for some photo's.

The aircraft is destoyed. And as you said, unless he bailed out and somebody did a evac he was probably DFE.

The wierd scattering of the money is interesting as is the fact that his sweatshirt had animal and human hair. (did he have a pet dog at home?)

I used to love mystery such as this when I was a kid.

reply to post by TheRooster


lol yea seen plenty of those high rollers.i've had a few moments like those myself.... few.....


but for him to have 1000 in cash is no biggie imo. yea the thread was shut down cause apparently the plane being found and his FAA cards being found were the same topic. go figure.

reply to post by ZeroGhost


He was flying a Decathalon, or some similar aircraft-- high wing, aerobatic tail dragger that cruises at about 100 mph. if it "came apart" (very unusual for this type of Ac), debris would be found within a couple hundred yards, max. It would not distintegrate like a 500 mph jet airliner.

Actually, I cannot imagine anything other than a bomb causing a Decathalon breaking into more than two or three pieces prior to hitting the ground. I have never flown that AC, but have flown similar. Theye have more in common with today's ultralights than high performance jets.

Body parts found now.

www.foxnews.com...

I guess they found human remains in the wreckage of the plane.

Crash site investigators found human remains in the wreckage of Steve Fossett's small plane on a remote California mountain, the head of the National Transportation Safety Board said on Thursday.

Reuters AlertNet

It seems like they haven't found much...I wonder how small a "small" amount is.

search crews had found a "very small" amount of human remains amid the airplane's debris.

Well, I guess Mr. Fossett didn't bail out as some suggested. Perhaps the
crash was so severe that his Wallet/Cash/ID Cards were propelled to
their resting place 1/4 mile away? At least it was quick for Steve.

Animals would have gotten to the body within hrs of the crash, and consumed and scattered the remains.
And animals use trails and the wind blows incesantly at those atltitudes , thus scatering blowable items.
One time, we came across the carcass of a horse that had to be put down on the side of a trail.
We rode this remote trail twice a week, and it took about a week and half before the carcass was scattered and completely gone.

UPDATE:

Just got off the phone with my buddy who lives in the mtns, and Mr. Fosset plane is on the east face of the Minarets, a high elevation craggy ridge 12,000' tall, north west of the Devils Post Pile Nat Monument.
Remains were found in the wreckage.



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