Snowfall On Mars!!

Well, here proof at last! I have posted this in the Breaking News forum, but wanted to include it here too for keepsake!

Now this is big! Snowfalls on Mars? Looked far fetched and the thought would have been debunked outright. But all thats changed..


Heavy Frost, or Snow. Deposit at Viking Lander 2 Site (Viking Lander Image 211093).
Courtesy: Spherix Inc
This image was posted earlier by me in the thread linked below.

WASHINGTON (AFP) — In an unprecedented discovery, NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has found snow falling from clouds on Mars, scientists said Tuesday.

A laser instrument collecting data on how the atmosphere and surface interact on Mars detected snow from clouds about four kilometers (2.5 miles) above the spacecraft's landing site. The date found the snow vaporized before reaching the ground.

"Nothing like this view has ever been seen on Mars," said Jim Whiteway, of York University, Toronto, lead scientist for the Canadian-supplied Meteorological Station on Phoenix. "We'll be looking for signs that the snow may even reach the ground."

I had given evidence of the possibility of life on Mars and why NASA could be hiding the truth from us in the thread here...Scientific Evidence Of Life On Mars!! Why is NASA Obfuscating The Truth?

We're getting closer to the truth, and the greatest discovery in mankind's history is perhaps just some distance away -the discovery of life!

Cheers!

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reply to post by mikesingh


Mikey, Mikey, Mikey. You're really late for the bus. There are at least three threads on this topic already. The snow apparently sublimated before it reached the surface.

Come on now, get on the stick.


[edit on 1-10-2008 by Phage]

Cool pic.

Tis will soon be the season.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by mikesingh

 

The snow apparently sublimated before it reached the surface.

Hmmm... But it was said that it sublimates before reaching the ground! Have a peek at the image I posted on top. That's snow! And it's on the ground! Now why do they always shy away from facts?

Cheers!

reply to post by mikesingh


What kind of snow (or frost)? H20? CO2?
Care to speculate?

[edit on 1-10-2008 by Phage]

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by mikesingh

 

What kind of snow (or frost)? H20? CO2?
Care to speculate?

Naaa! What if I say 'H2O snow'? I'll be burned at the stake!! I mean how can 'H2O snow' exist on Mars? 'CO2 snow'? Oh well. That's possible! 'Concentrated Sulphuric acid snow'? Possible too! But 'H2O snow'? IMPOSSIBLE!

Cheers!

reply to post by mikesingh


Of course there is quite a difference between the solid, liquid, and gaseous phases of H20, CO2, and H2SO4, isn't there? Their freezing points are quite varied, as are their sublimation temperatures under the alleged atmospheric conditions of Mars. But then again, Viking recorded temperatures well below the freezing point of all three, didn't it?

So feel free to speculate. Flip a three sided coin. The beautiful image you reminded us of could be of any of them. But then, speculating that the frozen whatever it is, fell from the sky, is stretching it just a little bit too far. Maybe? Don't you think? I happen to live in a warm place, but I have seen frost form elsewhere. It doesn't fall from the sky and it doesn't form from liquid water.

I'm still hopefully waiting for one of the machines to touch liquid water on Mars. If it happens I will be surprised and amazed. I like to be amazed--by reality.

Spacecraft soil experiments also have provided dramatic evidence of past interaction between minerals and liquid water, processes that occur on Earth.

Phoenix data also suggested the presence of calcium carbonate, the main composition of chalk, and particles that could be clay. Most carbonates and clays on Earth form only with water on hand.

"We have found carbonate," said William Boynton of the University of Arizona, lead scientist for the Thermal and Evolved Gas Analyzer (TEGA). "This points toward episodes of interaction with water in the past."

Nuff said!

Cheers!

reply to post by mikesingh


Keywords: "in the past."

I've seen lots of convincing evidence of liquid water on Mars in the past. There are even some intriguing signs that water may occasionally appear on the surface. I'm not ruling out the possibility that water ice makes it to the ground.

Still waiting for that touch of the wet stuff though. There is just so little atmospheric pressure that, as I said, it will be a surprise. There is so much evidence that Mars has been as it is for such a very long time that the possibility of life being there now is, unfortunately, very remote. In the distant past? Possibly. I really do hope that someday we can get something (or someone) over there that will find real evidence. You know what would be really cool? If my daughter was one of the ones who does it.

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Originally posted by Phage
In the distant past? Possibly. I really do hope that someday we can get something (or someone) over there that will find real evidence.

If NASA ever gets there then you can forget about evidence. With NASA there's Never A Straight Answer!!

You know what would be really cool? If my daughter was one of the ones who does it.

Yeah! Then at least we'll know the truth!

Cheers!

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by mikesingh

But then, speculating that the frozen whatever it is, fell from the sky, is stretching it just a little bit too far. Maybe? Don't you think?

If I may point out from Mike's first post:

[SNIP]

"Nothing like this view has ever been seen on Mars," said Jim Whiteway, of York University, Toronto, lead scientist for the Canadian-supplied Meteorological Station on Phoenix. "We'll be looking for signs that the snow may even reach the ground."

Now from NASA, IMO, this is pretty much an admission, but I accept that people don't see NASA in the light I do.

EMM

reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers


Of course there is a possibility that falling ice could reach the surface. The speculation lies in his statements about the image he presented;

1. That it is of water ice rather than some other material.
   
2. That it is snow rather than frost. That it fell from the sky rather than forming in place.
   

Each layer of speculation can lead us further from the reality.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers

 

Of course there is a possibility that falling ice could reach the surface. The speculation lies in his statements about the image he presented;

1. That it is of water ice rather than some other material.
   
2. That it is snow rather than frost. That it fell from the sky rather than forming in place.
   

Each layer of speculation can lead us further from the reality.

We have no idea of the reality, we have speculation, speculation is our friend. Mike is merely exciting the imagination.

This picture has been round a while, and I'm sure Mike has taken flack before for even entertaining the possibilities of snow on Mars, but now, he has even NASA claiming that there is snow on Mars. He got out the picture to remind people of what he has been saying for years (speculation on my part), or to get new people to consider the things NASA may not want to mention currently, is he wrong? No, are you wrong? No, we can't know at the moment.

We do know:

NASA has confirmed snow fall, and is considering the possibility of it reaching the ground, although unconfirmed...officially.

Mike has an image of what he considers to be snow on the ground.

It is a very interesting occurence, and the pic just shows possibilities that Mike has been trying to show people for years.

EMM

[edit on 2-10-2008 by ElectroMagnetic Multivers]

Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers

We have no idea of the reality, we have speculation, speculation is our friend. Mike is merely exciting the imagination.

This picture has been round a while, and I'm sure Mike has taken flack before for even entertaining the possibilities of snow on Mars, but now, he has even NASA claiming that there is snow on Mars. He got out the picture to remind people of what he has been saying for years (speculation on my part), or to get new people to consider the things NASA may not want to mention currently, is he wrong? No, are you wrong? No, we can't know at the moment.

Yes, that photo has been around for a while. A very long while. Mike's presentation of it may be the first time you've seen it but the photo was taken in the mid-seventies and received quite a bit of attention at the time. Exciting? Yes! Mike originally included that photo in context with a statement about liquid water. The presence of gaseous and frozen water has been known (and not hidden) since the '70's. The Mariner missions revealed evidence of liquid water. We've know about water on Mars since long before Mike started "revealing" NASA's secrets. Mike is fond of tooting his own horn, saying "See, you heard it first here folks!" Do a search for "snow on Mars" it's been talked about for a long time. He says;

Now this is big! Snowfalls on Mars? Looked far fetched and the thought would have been debunked outright. But all thats changed..

Snow on Mars is most likely to accumulate on slopes that face the north or south poles--that is, the coldest areas. It accumulates and drapes the landscape in these areas during one climate period, and then it melts during a warmer one.

Source This is from who? NASA, in 2003. And surprise, they even talk about liquid water. But, mark my words, if and when liquid water is seen and/or touched on Mars, Mike will boast "You see! I was right and NASA was lying to us all along!"

Mike is doing a lot more than "exciting the imagination". In the thread in which he originally posted that image he say that "the truth" is being hidden from us. He cites a single paper from a single scientist as proof of this. A paper, by the way, that is freely accessible to anyone who cares to look. Mike had to "go through the archives" to find it. A paper that has been peer reviewed and considered, not swept under the rug as Mike would have us believe. Here's another one. I found out about this highly secretive paper from my "sources" whom I cannot reveal (google). Navarro-Gonzales. What does it say? It says that the data from Viking is subject to other interpretations, that better experiments need to be done. Does it say there is life on Mars? No. Does it say there isn't life on Mars? No. Is NASA hiding this information? No. Does NASA claim there hasn't been and isn't life on Mars? No. NASA's Statement

Mike does bring some good information to ATS. He also tends to distort and obfuscate it with statements about what he thinks of the intentions of the very people who are providing it.

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Strange of strange, BBC actually covered it on the news. Who would ever thought that that information would be allowed to leak to the mainstream press.

I have always said that life does exist on Mars, and that I feel humanoid life lives underground, where I feel there are mass caverns with underground water.

Sooner or later, NASA and the governments are going to have to put their hands up and admit that we are not, and have never been alone.

Hey, it's possible. Mars does have polar ice caps, after all.

Good thread, Mike.

The Pheonix probe/lab is finding some amazing evidence of liquid water that is rising up from the moist surface, freezing and unfreezing at certian times of the Martian day and evaporatiing away.

Its logical to conclude that there would be snow showers on Mars.

An old subject, but its always interesting to discuss nonetheless!

Cheers!!!!

So I am not getting the deal here I use NASA WORLDWIND its like google earth you can view Mars and on the north(Planum Boreum) and south(Australe Mensa) poles there is in fact snow so ? why is there such a big deal about the snow?

There is also snow on the Hellas part of the planet.

Originally posted by mikesingh
That's snow!

Q: has mars ever had a dust storm?

Q: does mars have any light coloured dust?

A:

Originally posted by seridium
So I am not getting the deal here I use NASA WORLDWIND its like google earth you can view Mars and on the north(Planum Boreum) and south(Australe Mensa) poles there is in fact snow so ? why is there such a big deal about the snow?

There is also snow on the Hellas part of the planet.

I will have to ask again the same question?