Palin Problem... She's out of her league

Ok lets take into consideration all that has happened in the last few weeks, all the experts, from the CEO's on wall street and banks, to congress,

Were they experienced?

I know a lot of seemingly educated/intelligent people out there without an ounce of common sense, it doesn't really matter, each side will think that their side won,

Let's be objective, set aside cultural and political bias, just for today.

the key word is "power."

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


And

Why not a President you can have a Beer with?

Are we on the road to Empire or do we need to clean house?

Should we admire the Putins of the World?

I want OFF the world stage... no one can invade us, ever... and never will be able to

Why are we the worlds police man?

Whats with the over intellectual?

Why do we need a genius in office? Because we are Cenmter stage in world affairs and fighting the fight agressively with INTENT to dominate the world and no one BUT a Genius could lead this course

But this is all Intellectual Elitest harvard, yale etc... BS

We need... to recognize, Americans are not a Bunch Of Geniuses... (the rest of the world surely does)

We are tough, determined, often innovative, fun loveing, entertaining people

But mostly Americans from the Ghetto, to the Farms are...

Not a bunch of High brows...

Salt of the Earth people

We are in the wrong position to make us Happy... for way to long

No One, or hardly any Americans asked for this... Greatness

and a handful of Intellectual Elitests and Power grabbers want us there...

Everyone says the same thing, they Like Americans but not our Government

Okay... we aren't as a people out to conquer the Mideast or Russia... we have 7,000 Nukes, we are safe...

we need, ordinary Americans in Charge

Palin, (you might not like her beliefs) but it doesn't seem like she is imposing them either.... But she is just, more like one of US than the rest and I can't dislike her that being the case

Obama just.... scares me, with all his "Fancy ideas"

I have had enough "Fancy ideas" for a life time...



Here's the NUT... We supply the worlds food and have the technology available to supply more... we can grow Oil, our Electric can easilly be Nuclear...

WE have no problems

aside form the ones created by forceing us onto the world stage

We would never have economic troubles if we weren't so prominent, we would all be wealthy or at least comfortable...

it's enough... enough of Harvard and Yale

in the quest for Intellectualism we have forgotten our own people...

Palin, likes to Fish and shoot moose lol and raise children and can it seems handle a budget and she's anot a wuss

Obama... is LOL far more Intellectual, of course he is... all sorts of IDEAS... for me...

Thanks, but, not thanks...

I don't care if They CAN'T fix our problems, it will reduce America

and this is GOOD,

Not our Jawb to fix the Mideast, Not our Jawb to prop the worlds economy, Not our Jawb to save Africa...

and no one needs bein in mah kids school tellin him otherwise, yall

Simple wisdom from simple folk

Palin is the epitome of "speaking a lot, but ain't saying nothing."

She's beyond verbose. At least verbose comes with a point or a succinct purpose after all of the extra dialog. When she's done speaking, you have to sort of form your own conclusion.

I'm finding it hard to believe there are anything other than "gotcha" questions for someone like this.

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Is this what it comes down now ?

When Gov. Palin come out we were told by blind supporter that she was smart, a leader, more than qualified, vibrant, stick to her guns, knowledgeable, reformer and all that.

Now that her bubble has burst to no fault but hers we should like her because she is average?

Now is that not spin then I dont know what spin is.

Power and control, it seeps into our daily lives like a orderless poisonous noxious fume and dulls our senses,

We don't know how much it controls every aspect of us, our lives, who we are, and the role we play in this drama.

Be aware, are you being manipulated, or manipulating, and why?

To what ends? It is hypnotically overwhelming satisfying.

Watch the role we play on forums,

Power and control can be very subtle and take many forms, pay close attention to what you post and see what you find yourselves doing.

You can get sucked into the drama and not even know it.

Power and control it is like a drug,we all knowingly or unknowingly thrive off it.
Pay attention.

reply to post by scientist

Palin is the epitome of "speaking a lot, but ain't saying nothing."

and you see that is how I see Obama,
sincerely see him, i am sure this is your truth and vision of Sarah

Now what do we do?





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I will give up my need to control your vision and see through your eyes, let's switch roles as you look at life through mine.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by scientist

 

Palin is the epitome of "speaking a lot, but ain't saying nothing."

and you see that is how I see Obama,
sincerely see him, i am sure this is your truth and vision of Sarah

Now what do we do?

seriously? You consider Obama to beat around the bush as much as Palin? Come on man. I'm not an Obama supporter either - I think we're screwed either way, but to really say that Obama is inept at speaking as Palin is just being ridiculous. I understand if you are trying to convey that you don't like Obama, but don't tell a blatant lie along with it.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
The problem arises though when you DECIDE what Intelligence is! Or use past reference to associate similar traits as a sign someone is unintelligent.

Take for example... Use of the Language, while, of course, helpful to a condidate, there is no true measure of raw aptitude or intelligence that can be said of good grammer, or use of language.

Another futile attempt to deflect attention from the obvious... Palin failed on many levels.

If someone asks me what publications I read to keep abreast with the latest in my profession, I won't have a problem naming them. Sarah, when asked a similar question, offered nothing but BS.

By the way, it's "grammar", not "grammer".

Typo lol

and to deny the reality of what I am saying and use that Typo as a defense point is exactly why, we elect leaders who are all style and no substance!

Thank you for that!

This is amusing, i don't sit here and spell shcek, I don't have the time lol, I'm a Dad, I have work to do lol

What journals does she read?

Hopefully NONE

because new ideas come from fresh perspectives...

Truth and Honesty... my best IQ test was 186

I can't spell worth my own arse...

Why is that? I was a spelling champ as a kid, city wide... but a decade of spell check, ruined me... not big words, just here and thier/their and typing too fast and does an e go there when adding ing?

Am I stupider now as an adult? No

I just have something that usually does the job for me, but my overall intellect is way higher

Whats in a journal?

When I was in College I knew alot of kids that went for Masters and beyond... and of, as an example 500,000 people that get masters and doctorates in psychology, how many go on to do something truely innovative in the field, One? Two? Three? at best?

Why is that?

It's easy to get a doctorate regurgiatng other peoples work and ideas and saying what the Elitest at your University want to hear.

But what was... Albert Einstien? A Clerk who could at the time barely do math?

Where does a good leader come from?

Deliniating responsability or knowing something yourself?

Henry Ford first said if he wanted something done right he would hire an expert...

and we can't look past a newbie if she may have that ability

Bush was a dictator

Cheeny thought he could fight a war without a Pentagon

If Cheeny had a debate with Obama 8 years ago about Iraq and war...

On general Knowledge of Military he would Kill Obama, slay him dead...

But for all that knowledge... could he run the war himself? NO

So when it comes to any of this, any Topic at all...

Who do you want? The guy who PERSONALLY thinks he is going to fix things?

OR

The person who doesn't know all the much and would listen to the Pentagon?

Lets be REAL for just one minute

this past 8 years

Palin as President instead of Bush

9-11 happens ( it's not a scam lol, it's a "real" attack )



Bush as President, with Dick in hand... being a fairly decent pair of armchair generals... goes in and MAKES DECISIONS Against the wishes of the Pentagon, constantly...

Palin, knows squat, so Lets the Pentagon fight this war...or !!!! Not fight it!

Where would we be today?


Leadership means Very often, knowing that you Don't have answers... and seeking the best advice

Is Plain that person

I have no idea, but doubt it

Obama

Obama, he knows what HE is doing, he is going to Lead... in His direction

and he is just one man... and not that great, i'm sorry he is not Kennedy, he is not... so Amazing

HE wants to Run This

He Knows enough to be dangerous

Sorry, America, is not a Nation designed with a system to have powerful leaders, we MUST step away from this

I think Maybe Bush has conditioned us to expect...a RULER, so we think the president should be some... Idol

But that's not America

America is best of with a good leader that allows the professionals to do thier jobs... and Listens to advice, not a know it all, not a brilliant reformer, no President should have that kind of power nor seek to lead the nation from a place of self like that.

The President simply does not need to be an Icon

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Power and control, it seeps into our daily lives like a orderless poisonous noxious fume and dulls our senses,

We don't know how much it controls every aspect of us, our lives, who we are, and the role we play in this drama.

Be aware, are you being manipulated, or manipulating, and why?

To what ends? It is hypnotically overwhelming satisfying.

Watch the role we play on forums,

Power and control can be very subtle and take many forms, pay close attention to what you post and see what you find yourselves doing.

You can get sucked into the drama and not even know it.

Power and control it is like a drug,we all knowingly or unknowingly thrive off it.
Pay attention.

Can you please explain to me why are you posting this on this thread?

You are clearly off topic and I dont see you posting this kind of garbage on threads that criticize Obama.

So is something said is bad for Palin is manipulation, but if it is against Obama is facts, thats your logic?



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reply to post by scientist


I think that's mainly it. People try desperately to justify their anti-Obama stance by trying no matter what to make the candidate they support bigger than they are instead of going to those things that they don't like about Obama and also recognize their candidate shortcomings.

I support Sen. Obama with his goods anf his bads. And he is by no stretch the perfect candidate but is the one that I support after making an informed decision and research all the other candidates.

Thats why someone write something against Obama I dont get fluster or try to make ridiculous statements to deflect or raise him, if you care about your candidate that much the first thing you should know is those things that are there that you dont like about that candidate. Thats our job as informed voters, an uninformed voter does a disservice to this country.

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reply to post by Bunch


There is no "Spin" from me... I don't know what anyones agenda is in these political debates in here

But I for one am just a guy, who has real world problems in MY life and wants the Government out of my affairs

I listen to the more "professional" Political spin and debate from amongst some in here

and it's the same crap I hear on the NEWS

I have no Spin

I am just disgusted by regurgitated beliefs and false and silly impressions of what a president should be that all boils down to the same ol same ol

I'm not frightened that... we won't fix the budget, I don't care of we go bankrupt, I don't care iof we have to bring the army home and lose the war... I want these things to happen...

Don't you get it... Most politicians particularly Obama want to FIX this and keep us...HERE in this miserable LIFE. More America world leader, more America World Police, More America economic Super Power...

To hell with that...

Let our foreign policy Fail

Let the economy go bankrupt

wipe the slate, we have food, water, resources, and everything we need for a good life...

and trillions in Debt following High Brow anti American psuedo intellectual BS

From 0 you can only go up, we will in a few years if it FAILS have our lives back... No NWO, No Globalsim, No Washington in our lives...

Let the power go Back to the States and thereby back to the people

Washington should fail

Obama is SCARY

Too many ways Washington will remain on top, too many ideas for my life, too much involvement with the people

McCain will loose a war and Bankrupt us...

SO?

Big deal, will McDonalds close? will the food stop growing? will I die? Or just be a bit poor? There goes the mansion I wanted for a few years...OOPS, too bad so sad, bye bye

But Obama

CIVIL WAR, we are sick, of our lives being interfered with... of National mandates on School, on Welfare, on Health, On Dope, On Behavior on every aspect of my life

and this Maniac wants... to open up Race, open up us to National health care...more of mY brother telling me how to Live.. More socialism, more Federal control

More of America thirsting for World Power... More deals with More Third World freaks...

NO

I will have to die fighting, here, in America... I want to LIVE

I WANT America as it is to Fail so I don't have to die

and it's an Inch

an Inch from an INTERNAL EXPLOSION and we all Know IT !!!!

Please do NOT rescue America as it is and leave me in this sick "Brave New World"

America needs to downsize in a major way and, an econopic failure is not a BAD thing, it's a good thing, it can Hand America back to local Governement if the Federal Government fails, it can bring things back to local legislation, it can change us from a global to regional economic model, it can free us from being the world police man and that is going to get us KILLED, One day, some pissed off ladder climbing nation IS going to Nail us...

and it would be worse!

Obama Frightens me, Obama wants all this International diplomacy, he will do good and further entrench us in Globalism and Loose the untied States by proxy to the world.

Obama is Scary, Obama has Ideas for my Children... Ideas about compulsory service, More ideas about what he needs to learn...

Obama is going to decide how I treat my inevitable Cancer LOL

He's a nutcase... Bush the Liberal, he can do it ALL LOL


We have no real problems we can't fix... by simply failing, walking off the world stage

I would Love a Ron Paul who would do it in a controled and intentional fashion

But with that NOT a reality

Then LOL Vote for the Guys who will stay on the path and do it by Failure!!!!

I want pre WW2 America back and...

Hey, if the Governemnt needs to fail, then let it, I highly doubt my life will change much

But impose more social law across America, survive on the world stage long enough to be draged back into some new foreign mess...

OMG

I want to Live, some minor riots and a depression... that's easy

Remaining the "sole global power" with the world wanting to change that... that spells doom

Shapeing Americans behaviors on a Social and federal level, Come on, Guaranteed Civil war, the bloodiest of all types of war, Internal, in your streets, we would never recover...

Companies go bankrupt all the time, that's all America is, a big Company, no big deal...

Obama wants to fix America...

But you can only make this worse...

We need to return rights to our States as this republic was intended and drop away in a large part from world affairs and NOT be the worlds only super power...

These aspects of what we have become spell my Death and I know it my heart...

She could not name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with. And yet:

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by mopusvindictus


Hey Mopus, captalizing Random words

And forgetting The Entire structure of The written Word.

Makes your posts look less enticing To read

reply to post by Mainer


Whoa! Indeed...

I mean, this is just recent past, and she couldn't bring it up in the interview when asked directly? Does she have a major attention deficit condition?

Originally posted by Lebowski achiever
reply to post by Bunch

 

I think she is too. But I have to say... I am so glad that this is apparent NOW and not later. If people vote for this ticket (as McCain is sure to croak sooner rather than Later) they deserve what is coming to them. Simple as that.

True, so true. But remember, the very same thing should be said about George W, but the insult to injury in that case was that people elected him a SECOND time. Haha. I can remember the day after the election I went to the grocery store, and everyone I saw I am sure I just literlly glared at them, and I was thinking to myself, "yeah, you're probably one of the dirty b@st@rds who re-elected that sob" --- aw well gotta laugh once in awhile.

reply to post by mopusvindictus


Unfortunately for you this is a thread that discuss Gov. Palin so if you have the facts to open a thread with all those things that you cited that are merely your opinion the go ahead an open a thread to that end.

Please get on topic.

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Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander

 

Why not a President you can have a Beer with?

Are we on the road to Empire or do we need to clean house?

Should we admire the Putins of the World?

I want OFF the world stage... no one can invade us, ever... and never will be able to

I agree w should get off the world stage also but it has nothing to do with someones intelligence. It is a combination of intelligence and how far a person is up on the scale of conscientiousness. A low level person in conscientiousness (vibrational level) can be intelligent but has zero empathy and is motivated by only self. You can also have someone like Palin that has low intelligence and lower levels of conscientiousness (evangelicals are a fear based conscientiousness one of the lowest of levels) and can be very easily manipulated by the puppet masters.

We need a leader that is past ego, past self serving motivation and at the same time intelligent. Someone that is a LEADER that is willing to make decisions that are the right thing to do and not what they feel people want to hear.

Sarah Palin is of ego and power with a low level of intelligence and only cares about getting in office and will give whatever lip service will get her there.

We need to rise above our fear level conscience and get to one of courage and above.

By the way your posts are a little long and hard to read. No offense intended just good advice.

Originally posted by Bunch
if you care about your candidate that much the first thing you should know is those things that are there that you dont like about that candidate. Thats our job as informed voters, an uninformed voter does a disservice to this country.

I absolutely agree. Knowing the faults, or cons of your candidate is extremely informative. Those that just ignore anything they don't care for are most certainly doing everyone else a great disservice.

To me Gov. Palin is exactly what Sen. McCain said about Bush during the primaries last time.....


"All hat, no cattle"