What Do 9 Of The People Who Voted NO on Bailout Have In Common?

reply to post by ravenshadow13

Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by ravenshadow13

 

interesting that you'd say this. here's a small article from the NY Daily News.

www.nydailynews.com...

Wow I just read the article. THOSE ARE MY TALKING POINTS!!! I know they visit ATS because those are my exact words. The sad thing is they make it out to be people like me feel that its ALL Jews when people like me know its not all. Just the crime family element. Eventually the Italian crime families came down hopefully the Jewish ones will too though I feel they have a lot of power out there.


They even used the term "Jew World Order" Crakeur YOU actually taught me that one......you dont work for the daily news do you?

[edit on 3-10-2008 by mybigunit]

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Originally posted by Crakeur
interesting that you'd say this. here's a small article from the NY Daily News.
www.nydailynews.com...

Hey Crakeur,

I read that a few days ago. I was surprised not only by the fact that there was a link, but that some people actually kept track of such things. Sadly, I suppose I am so used to coming across so much bigotry online that I can't tell whether there is any more or less than usual.

Also I have a question for you in response to what you said here:

Originally posted by Crakeur
judaism isn't a race.
why is it that people assume judaism is a race but catholicism and other faiths are religions?

I think this is half-true, but not entirely accurate.

Doesn't Judaism fall under the category of being ethno-religious?

The term Ethnoreligious (or ethno-religious) refers to a group or groups of people unified by a common religious culture but displaying distinct characteristics of an ethnic group. Ethnoreligious communities define their identity neither exclusively by ancestral heritage nor simply by religious affiliation, but often through a combination of both. Wiki

It is considered both an ethnicity, and a religion all in one.
At least that's what I thought.

- Lee

Originally posted by lee anoma
I read that a few days ago.

where'd you read it? it was in today's paper.

Originally posted by lee anoma
Doesn't Judaism fall under the category of being ethno-religious?

It is considered both an ethnicity, and a religion all in one.
At least that's what I thought.

judaism is a religion. when someone converts to it, they don't alter their dna. when someone opts to ignore their faith, either opting for a different religion or no religion, do they alter their dna?

funny thing is, judaism begat islam and christianity. this would mean that they are all from the same species, unless people are claiming that muslims and catholics are evolved jews.

Originally posted by Crakeur

Originally posted by lee anoma
I read that a few days ago.

where'd you read it? it was in today's paper.I read that a few days ago.

Wow that's weird.

I could have sworn I read it on Drudge yesterday or the day before. I'll have to look it up now so that you don't think I am lying for some strange reason or to prove to myself I am not crazy.

Very strange.
I'll get back to you on that.

judaism is a religion. when someone converts to it, they don't alter their dna. when someone opts to ignore their faith, either opting for a different religion or no religion, do they alter their dna?

Whoa man. Come on...I know they don't alter their DNA. I'm not a moron.
No need to get defensive it was simply a question.

From what I gathered there is an ethic-Jew and a religious covert Jew. Both are considered the same yet different. From some interactions I've read regarding opinions among them at times one group doesn't always see the other as exactly the same.

Here is another example:

According to the simplest definition used by Jews for self-identification, a person is a Jew by birth, or becomes one through religious conversion.

However, a debate has arisen among various branches of Judaism on these issues:

* Mixed parentage: i.e. whether a person of mixed Jewish and non-Jewish parentage should be considered Jewish.
* Conversion: i.e. what process of religious conversion should be considered valid.
* Life circumstances issues: i.e. whether a person's actions (such as conversion to a different religion) or circumstances in their lives (such as being unaware of Jewish parentage) should affect their Jewish status. Wiki

My bolds.

And from my previous link:

The Jews are today perhaps the largest and most familiar ethnoreligious community. Ascertaining and defining membership in the Jewish people (the question of "who is a Jew") involves both a traditional religious component and an ethnic one.

You can be Jewish by birth as well correct?

Anyway I was told that being jewish does fall under the category of an ethnoreligon by a few Jews I know (as early as my college roommate in the early 90's) and I think that there is much merit in it.

It isn't just a religion.

- Lee

- Edit spelling

[edit on 3-10-2008 by lee anoma]

Originally posted by Crakeur

Originally posted by lee anoma
I read that a few days ago.

where'd you read it? it was in today's paper.

It was also in yesterdays paper.

For a second you had me seriously considering the time-line conspiracy thats been going around but here are some sources from yesterday:

Hatred Finds New Home on Internet, says Foxman
October 02, 2008 - Aaron Passman

Though great strides have been made in combatting bigotry, it now "travels the globe in nanoseconds, protected by the anonymity" of the Internet, said Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, in a recent lecture at Main Line Reform Temple, Beth Elohim. "We have not eradicated [anti-Semitism], and now, on the Internet, it's very heavy."

The scientists behind the Web have a responsibility, said Foxman, because "we're being bombarded by misinformation, disinformation and hate, and we have not yet figured out how to quantify it, much less defeat it." Jewishexponent.com

Oct 2, 2008 21:36 | Updated Oct 3, 2008 1:46
'Financial crisis sparks anti-Semitism'

The worldwide financial meltdown has triggered an uptick in anonymous anti-Semitic comments blaming Jews for the crisis on mainstream Web site message boards, the Anti-Defamation League said on Thursday.

"Jews are greedy, rotten slimeballs," wrote one surfer on a Yahoo Finance group, according to the ADL statement. JPOST

US financial crisis causes spike in online anti-Semitism: monitor

23 hours ago

NEW YORK (AFP) — The US financial crisis has provoked an outpouring of anti-Semitism on the Internet, with Jews being blamed for the debacle on Wall Street, a monitoring group said on Thursday.

"The age-old canards about Jews and money are always just beneath the surface," said Abraham Foxman, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which fights anti-semitism.

"As we witnessed after 9/11, whenever there is trouble or uncertainty in the economy or world events, Jews become the scapegoats and ugly anti-semitic canards are given new life." AFP

ADL Reports Surge in Anti-Semitic Messages on Online Finance Sites in Response to Money Crisis

Last update: 12:07 p.m. EDT Oct. 2, 2008
NEW YORK, Oct 02, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- In the wake of the collapse of major investment banks and the government's proposed bailout of financial institutions, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) is reporting a dramatic upsurge in the number of anti-Semitic statements being posted to Internet discussion boards devoted to finance and the economy. Marketwatch.com

"Said on Thursday", which is when I read it.

Wasn't sure if it was yesterday or the day before (been working late) so I tried to cover my bases with "a few".

Your sources are a bit late.

- Lee

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It's no problem, I was actually agreeing with your point about racist connections being made to the financial crisis and the implications of and accusations made in this thread.

That's all I was trying to say.
It's more important I thought that the dates or whatever.

- Lee

Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by Leo Strauss

 

is being catholic a race thing? is being muslim a race thing?

being a jew is a religion/faith thing, not race.

saying it is a race thing is saying we are physically different. a different species. is that what you are implying?

No I am not implying that I believe you are a different species although you could be a reptilian(he always wears sunglasses hmmm) ...the latest science is that all humanity evolved from monkeys in africa or china or if you want to go back further from fish that decided to grow legs.

Do you believe you are descendant of Adam and Eve or Judah?

Ignoring your culture and blood lines does not mean they do not exist.

Common racial, national, tribal, religious, linguistic, or cultural origin or background

Are you a descendant of the Hebrew patriarch Jacob? ; specifically : a native or inhabitant of the ancient northern kingdom of Israel.

You never answered my question. I will go out on a limb and guess that you have many "Jewish" friends and family members that are atheists. How do you explain that? I am not hung up on the word race but there is more to it than faith. Just sayin. I mean what's up with that maternal lineage thingy??

Anyway I am just trying to understand my Jewish friends and I am concerned about the neocons and dual citizens of Israel in my government. Believe me I would be concerned if they were dual citizens of China and the US.

Since I was young I have never understood why we in the US are so concerned about the fate of Israel. Now don't get me wrong I am not against Israel in the same way I am not against Norway or New Guinea etc etc.

When I was young it was explained to me that because of the holocaust special consideration should be given to the Jews and Israel. That was the story. Another story I heard was that once Israel was established Jesus would return and take us to heaven so we should help Israel.

Members of my family fought and died in the wars in Europe and Asia to defeat fascism and communism.

For the record I do not believe the Jooooz did it...are doing it...or are planning to do it. I fall more into the MIC and elitists of all religous and ethnic types conspiracist. The thing I have noticed is that from a conspiratorial angle it is OK to talk about practically any religous or ethnic group, nationality etc, --- except for the Jews without being branded an anti semite(which is a race) and that is so annoying!

"Semite-
a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs. "

reply to post by Leo Strauss

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Cracker sounds like you might be one of those atheists???

Anyhow like I said I have appreciated your comments in the past and consider you to be level headed so I respect your opinion.

You were right about this thread it was biased from the start.

Peace to you and yours!

Now yall really are going to get some unwelcome attention ..this subject is taboo in our country .....no one really cares anymore about what you may say about Christians ..but to talk in a negative against a Jew is serious online ...

I just wanted to say one thing in regards to this question ...
[Do Neocons and Zionists have anything in common?]

Most of you are not gonna like it ..PS >>>I am not saying one way or the other if any of this is true ..But I can see a connection with .....the Dominionsts and of course the Lubavitch movement ....and possibly even the UN ....

Chabad-Lubavitch is now an international movement with headquarters in New York. The American Friends of Chabad Lubavitch in Washington, D.C. coordinates activities for Chabad on Capital Hill, lobbies for Chabad causes, and runs study groups and social programs geared towards congressional staffers. In 1991, Chabad-Lubavitch in cooperation with President Bush established the observance of Education Day, USA "to return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noahide Laws."
www.watch.pair.com...

The rest at link ..
Again I am not sure about any of this ..I am just posting it for you to look over ..(please dont anyone get upset with me ..I didnt write this ..)

This thread is dedicated to showing that some Jews voted for the bailout? How many threads are dedicated to discussing how many Methodists or Catholics voted for the bailout? This is pure antisemitism. To point out the religion of who voted for what, to say that Jews run the banking system - You. Are. A. Biggot. There is no way around it. You, and everyone who has participated in this thread to show that "Jews voted for the bailout," (and by the way LOTS of people voted for the bailout) are what is wrong not with this country but with the human race. It is people with small brains and large mouths, like you, that lead us into darkness. God help us all.