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reply to post by orangetom1999


That's exactly the point I was trying to make in my last post. It's just bad, lazy journalism. If we stopped watching it and buying it they would have to change. It's cheaper for them to get it all off Reuters and PA which is why everything looks and reads the same.

Originally posted by General_Salazar
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That's exactly the point I was trying to make in my last post. It's just bad, lazy journalism. If we stopped watching it and buying it they would have to change. It's cheaper for them to get it all off Reuters and PA which is why everything looks and reads the same.

Thank God someone else one here is using their brain instead of jumping on the fear train. The bailout plan has the right intentions, but is too socialist in nature for the liking of the majority of this country. The government has done a piss poor job of explaining, in layman's terms, what this bailout bill does and what the the consequences of passing it or not passing it mean for the country. I don't mean the fear mongering about market collapse from Bernanke and Bush, I mean from real economic experts. The media will run the fear mongering into the ground for headlines and ratings, make no mistake about that, but I certainly don't think their intentions are "evil" or intended to stifle the free speech of U.S. citizens. That would be a bit hypocrytical wouldn't it?

Originally posted by sos37
Thank God someone else one here is using their brain instead of jumping on the fear train. The bailout plan has the right intentions, but is too socialist in nature for the liking of the majority of this country.

I dont understand this at all, so perhaps someone could explain it to me in layman's terms.

If I start a small business that goes under after 20 years, there is no bailout option. However, if I managed to turn that company into a huge corporation that intertwined with other huge corporations, and had a major effect on the economy - then I get a bailout?

Why? Just because my company got so big, that it would affect other companies? Isn't this how things are supposed to play out? If a business is failing, just let it fail! What is the point of putting a bandaid on a tumor?

Our economy follows the same model as natural selection. By keeping these old companies on life support, we are only reducing the overall quality of life for everyone - albeit subtle, but steady.

Originally posted by scientist

Originally posted by sos37
Thank God someone else one here is using their brain instead of jumping on the fear train. The bailout plan has the right intentions, but is too socialist in nature for the liking of the majority of this country.

I dont understand this at all, so perhaps someone could explain it to me in layman's terms.

If I start a small business that goes under after 20 years, there is no bailout option. However, if I managed to turn that company into a huge corporation that intertwined with other huge corporations, and had a major effect on the economy - then I get a bailout?

Why? Just because my company got so big, that it would affect other companies? Isn't this how things are supposed to play out? If a business is failing, just let it fail! What is the point of putting a bandaid on a tumor?

Our economy follows the same model as natural selection. By keeping these old companies on life support, we are only reducing the overall quality of life for everyone - albeit subtle, but steady.

This is kind of off-topic from the original thread topic, but to answer your question, I understand why they are doing it, I don't think they have told us the consequences of what passing or failing the bill means to U.S. taxpayers.

Your question: "However, if I managed to turn that company into a huge corporation that intertwined with other huge corporations, and had a major effect on the economy - then I get a bailout? Why? Just because my company got so big, that it would affect other companies? "

Not just because the fall of the company would affect other companies, it affects the global economy. If it just affected a few or even many companies in the U.S. I doubt there would be a bailout.

The way I understand it, if for example, AIG were allowed to fail, go bankrupt, their demise (according to the government and some financial experts) would have a domino effect on international markets affecting many different countries. AIG itself has assets that top $1 trillion and customers in every part of the world. A failure like that would seriously devalue the U.S. dollar, if I'm understanding it correctly.

I still don't like the idea, myself, of the bailout bill. I don't think the taxpayers ought to be bailing out people who got into subprime mortgages and had their homes foreclosed on or unscrupulous executives who ran their businesses into the ground. But I don't know if saying no to the bill would do the economy more harm than good, like Bush says. I would like to hear, in layman's terms, an explanation from several financial experts and their opinions on this bill. I think a lot of Americans would like that same courtesy. And the government has done a terrible job of making that of information available.

Please,

I believe i have the intelligence to be able to watch TV and know when people are talking crap.

You should be more afraid of posting on this forum\website and any other forum\website on the internet then watching TV. As it would take someone with a little bit of skill a couple of minutes to hack these sites and gain the IP addresses of those that have visited the site.

Now they have your IP then your PC is hacked and all personal information is gained and essentially from there u are phucked!

So learn to protect your PC and learn how to hide your IP properly people!

reply to post by General_Salazar


General Salazar,

Thanks for clarifying your earlier post. I don't really know or particularly care what is the cause. I only know that I am often insulted by what passes for news and information today in this country....especially when I detect that it is designed to put me on an emotional roller coaster.

I would, however, tend to agree with your overall assessment.
In retrospect ...I have also noted this lax fingerprint in the movie industry and its writers. I get the impression that good and original writers are a difficult commodity by which to come. Much originality and thinking/writing has become replaced with special effects. I reckon I am just not all that impressed with special effects.

sos37,

I get the impression as well. The government or whoever is the government does not want to much debate or information going on concerning this bailout. Hence the haste to get it pushed through.

What I know about government spending ...IE ..deficit spending in a fiat money system is that in order to get the moneys to maintain value...purchasing power...the overall tendency is for government to limit our spending abilities by taxing us. An income tax. The attempt here is always to limit our ability to purchase in the economy we are working for and engineering ...investing, saving...while government spends unlimited like a drunken whore. We the citizens are actually competition for government ...or whoever is the actual government in this economy. They must limit our numbers/moneys such that we cannont outspend them or compete with thier desired programs. To cover this up and give the money system a value it would never hold on its own..they tax us to limit the amount of money in circulation for citizens and competing for goods and services. The government or whoever is the government is never limited ..we are the ones limited by an income tax. The income tax covers up the amount the government, or whoever is the actual government, is stealing in competition with us for goods and services in the one working economy out here.
The problem comes when they are stealing so much that it no longer can be covered up by the means normally used.
As I recall somewhere about a year ago...or more...the M3 figures stopped being published. The amount the government was borrowing on the deficit. This is an important tell tale of what is happening. How much the government is stealing out of the economy by fiat money creation verses working for it as do we when we take out a loan.

Remember ..the only real power/collateral and control the government has for these deficit loans is their taxing power. They are selling the souls of this country/peoples for easily created moneys for whatever is politically expedient today. Including this bailout. Got it now???

What we are going to have down the road if this passes is a tax increase. Also an inflation increase. Remember ..inflation is actually a tax....work we do for which we get no goods or services...the same thing as a tax. Same result. Get a congressman or economist to tell you that one..or a news media expert. To my limited knowledge..no one is saying this as of yet. But down the road six months to a year I see this one coming.
It should have happened already with the spending on this war. By some mechanism it has been hidden or postponed. Not readily visible as of yet.

Scientist ,

Interesting analogy you have posted. I recall the Lockheed bail out many years ago. Some back then were asking the same question and format you have posted. Well stated...well stated!!

Thanks to all for their posts,
Orangetom

If anyone would like a more rational and useful approach to NLP, please check out my thread here on "Using NLP for good":

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If there is enough interest, I will continue a series of threads revolving around a bunch of different NLP concepts. I believe I may have made a grave mistake by posting it in such an inactive part of the board though. Oh well, lesson learned.

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do not confuse media bias, propoganda, and lack of critical thinking on the part of news consumers with Neuro Linguistic Programming. Using afuture tense for something that has not happened is a linguistic trick..not NLP...
nlp practitioner

Originally posted by rufusdrak
"The first thing I would do is say, 'Let's not call it a bailout. Let's call it a rescue,'" McCain told CNN. He said, "Americans are frightened right now" and political leaders must give them an immediate solution and a longer-term approach to the problem."

Well, I suppose it's worth noting that nobody's listening to McCain...

and


(off topic, but seriously. Dog Costumes ranking higher than Bailout Plan???)

Originally posted by scientist
I believe I may have made a grave mistake by posting it in such an inactive part of the board though. Oh well, lesson learned.

Don't feel too bad. I've tried on 2 or 3 occasions to remind Skeptic Overlord that the Psychology, Philosophy and Metaphysics is missing from the front page left nav column, and that the link to it on the Site Map is broken, and that posts in that forum are labeled "This thread is in the politics forum group." instead of "This thread is in the mysterious forum group." But nobody's done anything to fix it. Heck, the forum was live for a full month or more before I was even able to FIND it. Took U2Us from Skyfloating, and some reverse URL engineering to even get close...

[edit on 10/1/2008 by JoshNorton]

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by rufusdrak
"The first thing I would do is say, 'Let's not call it a bailout. Let's call it a rescue,'" McCain told CNN. He said, "Americans are frightened right now" and political leaders must give them an immediate solution and a longer-term approach to the problem."

Well, I suppose it's worth noting that nobody's listening to McCain...

and

(off topic, but seriously. Dog Costumes ranking higher than Bailout Plan???)

You can't say they're not trying though:

How can we combat this misuse of information?

Should there be a "watch-team" or some kind of website or actual television channel that provides a ..... ??? more balanced use of information?

What do we call it? what are we fixing? opinion? .. a dead system of information?

Thinking about it on a larger scale; I see this as a problem with a completely failed system.

We did stop writing in the sand, to start writing on cave walls, to start writing on slabs of rock, to metal and papyrus, paper etc.. the newspaper relented to the television news, although it still exists, it is NOT the dominant form of information/news, now the television news is relenting to the internet, things are moving faster and faster, information/news is pretty much coming in in real-time now, television news can't keep up because they have schedules and guide-lines and preparation... Now they're (ab)using the internet.

The subject of media manipulation has always been a problem, it is becoming more widespread because when people stop paying attention to the show-off loud mouth on the playground it makes them more abrasive at first, then finally they shut up and join the crowd watching the new "next-best-thing"
The same way the television news has become belligerent, because they can tell .. no one will be paying attention to them soon enough, we'll have internet news in video, pretty much in real-time. live feeds from all over the world, everyone will have the same capabilities as the person in the field collecting the information.

The world is right about to become more interactive with each-other, more cooperative, and it's the bullies on the playground who won't shut up and let us all get along.

Originally posted by sos37
The way I understand it, if for example, AIG were allowed to fail, go bankrupt, their demise (according to the government and some financial experts) would have a domino effect on international markets affecting many different countries. AIG itself has assets that top $1 trillion and customers in every part of the world. A failure like that would seriously devalue the U.S. dollar, if I'm understanding it correctly.

Hmmm. And the pumping in of 700 billion - or trillions, depending - DOESN'T devalue the dollar? In fact, it inflates the dollar, which is...devaluing it.

Rather than devalue it by further indebting me and mine, just don't bail 'em out and devalue it that way.

Originally posted by Amaterasu

Originally posted by sos37
The way I understand it, if for example, AIG were allowed to fail, go bankrupt, their demise (according to the government and some financial experts) would have a domino effect on international markets affecting many different countries. AIG itself has assets that top $1 trillion and customers in every part of the world. A failure like that would seriously devalue the U.S. dollar, if I'm understanding it correctly.

Hmmm. And the pumping in of 700 billion - or trillions, depending - DOESN'T devalue the dollar? In fact, it inflates the dollar, which is...devaluing it.

Rather than devalue it by further indebting me and mine, just don't bail 'em out and devalue it that way.

offtopic but exactly, if it's going to devalue it either way, and one way will line the pockets of the rich while stealing money from US while the other way simply punishes the rich then I'll choose the latter. Devalue that badboy by letting them BURN!

Completely agree! I stopped watching most all television for over a year now and started reading books again. However, when you turn off the media and begin paying attention and educating yourself it will also increase the sorrow you feel for your fellow American and country. SO you have to ask yourself are you happy with the current state. If you are, leave your head in the sand and do what your told.

When I was in college studying Advertising Design, required reading was a book called The Hidden Persuaders by Vance Packard.

It outlined the tricks with subliminal images used in the industry to sell,... well, anything. But laws came in to outlaw such, like images of popcorn and soda in frames of a movie to make you want popcorn and soda during the intermissions and many other very effective and scary methods.

This was 1974.

Imagine today's technologies light years beyond, being used to exploit for profit and power. I would expect it to be much more involved than what we are even talking about.

I worked in and watched all media for many years. I know the subtle methods used, and know about NLP and even more types of involuntary persuasion likely used. Truly evil spirited (or a lack therein).

We are in a world consumer society run by massive multinational corporations. Governments are merely sales and distribution entities.

These many, many methods of control have been studied and used, and even more ideas have been found by corporation labs who do nothing but think of ways of getting us to do whatever they want us to. Buy, Vote, Be sick, Scared, etc.

Unless, you know yourself and follow your own knowledge and sense of self.

It's the Sheep that scare me. They justify the industry.

ZG