Startling NASA/Griffin Email Leaked

Startling NASA/Griffin Email Leaked

Mon, 08 Sep '08
Griffin Expresses Significant Doubts in Current NASA Course

Leaked to the Orlando Sentinel, an email written by NASA Administrator Mike Griffin is raising serious eyebrows... all over the world. Read the following missives (and Griffin's public addendum) to see why...

From: Griffin, Michael D. (HQ-AA000)
Sent: Monday, August 18 2008 6:26 PM
To: Cline, Lynn (HQ-CA000)
Cc: Dale, Shana (HQ-AB000); Scolese, Christopher J. (HQ-AI000); Morerell, Paul (HQ-AA000); Gerstenmaier, William H. (HQ-CA000); Gilbrech, RIchard J. (HQ-BA000); SHank, Christopher M. (HQ-AA000); O'Brien, Michael F. (HQ-TA000)
Subject: RE: NAC Agenda

Exactly as I predicted, events have unfolded in a way that makes it clear how unwise it was for he US to adopt a policy of deliberate dependance upon another power for access to ISS. In a rational world, we would have been allowed to pick a Shuttle retirement date to be consistent with Ares/Orion availability, we would have been asked to deploy Ares/Orion as early as possible (rather than "not later than 2014") and we would have been provided the necessary budget to make it so. I realize that no one on this distribution disagrees with me on this point, I'm just saying it again, that's all.

Aero News .net

This is an amazing leak... verified by Griffins response

Statement of NASA Administrator Michael Griffin on Aug. 18 Email

The following is the complete statement of NASA Administrator Michael Griffin regarding the Aug. 18 email published by the Orlando Sentinel:

The leaked internal email fails to provide the contextual framework for my remarks, and my support for the administration's policies. Administration policy is to retire the shuttle in 2010 and purchase crew transport from Russia until Ares and Orion are available. The administration continues to support our request for an INKSNA exemption. Administration policy continues to be that we will take no action to preclude continued operation of the International Space Station past 2016. I strongly support these administration policies, as do OSTP and OMB.

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Frustrated NASA chief vents in internal e-mail over fate of agency
Robert Block | Sentinel Space Editor
September 7, 2008

CAPE CANAVERAL - In congressional testimony and speeches across the country, NASA Administrator Mike Griffin has presented the Bush administration's space policy as under pressure but on track to returning humans to the moon by 2020. His public face has been steadfast.

But privately, the agency chief is far less certain.

In a remarkably candid internal e-mail to top advisers obtained by the Orlando Sentinel, Griffin lashed out last month at the White House for what he called a "jihad" to shut down the space shuttle, expressed frustration at the lack of funding for a new moon rocket -- and despaired about the future of America's human-spaceflight program.

The tone of the note depicts a man watching as his finely crafted plans for a revitalized space-faring NASA appear to be melting before his eyes.

www.orlandosentinel.com...

[edit on 29-9-2008 by zorgon]

You managed to nuke your own space program guys! Nice going
All is not lost, still there is the private sector. Lets see now if they will nuke that also! Chances are that ISS could be labeled the hide out of Bin Laden before any private program is able to purchase seats on it for any reason!

Lets help civilization too to be rolled backward while we are at it guys!

NASA has an annoying habit of trying to reinvent the wheel. They should make something out of the stuff they already have. Instead, they want billions to research, design, and build a whole new platform from scratch.

I would cut the front end off of the shuttle and make that my new module. Its plenty roomy for seven, I think. Make the necessary modifications, pick a rocket, and send that bad boy up. Put a heat shield on its back side and land it like the Russians or dunk it in the ocean.

I'm disappointed they didn't evolve the shuttle and make it more robust and cheaper to operate.

Wasn't this on the news not so long ago?

In any case, how's the idea of ponying up more money for the shuttle to continue on beyond its retirement date?

basiclly our enemies dont want anyone in space in 2012 when they attempt to wipe humanity out with various doomsday weapons theyve been building for 60 years.

reply to post by welivefortheson


What an interesting reply to this otherwise mundane post welive. Are you just stating an opinion or are you 'in the know' so to speak? I find that sensationalism is only good in the likes of the National Enquirer myself.

Oh and for the OP Zargon. I am finding a bit of difficulty in the "startling' part of your thread post. I have seen the leaked info before but found nothing quite startling about any of it. Could use your guidance.
Thanks,
Vance

They need to partner further with Scientology. That way, space exploration will naturally discover its true course.

The only thing I find startling is that NASA astronauts will be hitchhiking on Russian launch vehicles until they get their latest space toy up and running.

And if the shuttle is any indication, that Moon date is more realistically 2040, not 2020.

Originally posted by vance
Oh and for the OP Zargon. I am finding a bit of difficulty in the "startling' part of your thread post. I have seen the leaked info before but found nothing quite startling about any of it. Could use your guidance.
Thanks,
Vance

what is startling is the deliberate act of creating a dependance on other nations space programs to send astronaughts into space for a 4 year period.

being the worlds richest,most advanced nation being dependant on anothers equip for 4 years is somewhat mind boggling especially when its a deliberate act as the memo's show.

woe bemone should usa and russian political climate be in a negative for that 4 year period,no manned nasa space missions for four years!.

Originally posted by vance
Could use your guidance.Thanks,

I really doubt any amount of guidance I or anyone could provide you would be of any use... and the name is Zorgon not Zargon...

The headline of the thread is the headline exactly as written by the article... therefore in compliance with the T&C of the forum so I would suggest any issues you have with the 'sensationalism of said title you contact the writer of aero-news.net and take it up with them rather than "Tilting at Windmills" here with useless post

Thanks for your post

Originally posted by CAPT PROTON
NASA has an annoying habit of trying to reinvent the wheel.

I have been told that i am someone who likes to reinvent the wheel. i always reply with, "No, i am building a better mousetrap."

NASA needs to take the "better mousetrap" approach, as they HAVE reinvented the wheel repeatedly.

There is a stark realization when you notice that they have forgotten how to go to the moon.

Even worse, it seems they ignore (at least publicly) important findings and descriptions for anomalies. They are just now publicly admitting that their model of how space works could likely be flawed on a very fundamental level (see STS-75 findings). meanwhile, the private sector has already developed what appears to be the correct model, and are fighting tooth and nail to have it accepted.

Wonder what the swan song for them relative to Plasma Cosmology will be? More important...can we dance to it? LOL

double post.

must have been so good that it was posted twice.

[edit on 25-10-2008 by bigfatfurrytexan]

NASA is just trying to bully the USA government into giving them more billions to waste.... when you look back at the capsules they used to reach the moon ( ) back in the 1960 's and the space shuttle now , i cant understand why they cant send one on a trip around the moon and back instead of there low earth orbit rubbish of the last 30 yrs....

They should come clean and admit to the secret shuttle and space launch program they have had up and running from the early 1970s. Then we would see NASA go 'wow look, we do have military access to space after all' and be all amazed at this program and its ability to haul massive loads into space.



But they never will admit that now would they? Buzz Aldrin has a few answers to this puzzle. Wonder if he will ever spill the beans?

Originally posted by welivefortheson
basiclly our enemies dont want anyone in space in 2012 when they attempt to wipe humanity out with various doomsday weapons theyve been building for 60 years.

Can I see any kind of anything about these weapons? Anything that has more credibility than a story about bat-boy.

reply to post by pluckynoonez


So association with a pseudo-religion will help get manned flights into space? I'd be interested in hearing how you think this is so.

Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
They should come clean and admit to the secret shuttle and space launch program they have had up and running from the early 1970s. Then we would see NASA go 'wow look, we do have military access to space after all' and be all amazed at this program and its ability to haul massive loads into space.

But they never will admit that now would they? Buzz Aldrin has a few answers to this puzzle. Wonder if he will ever spill the beans?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this. I see some interesting claims made when it comes to space. I never see any actual evidence of these claims though. At this point, there is not even rock solid proof we went to the moon and I am supposed to believe there are bases and super weapons and secret super advanced space programs with no evidence at all? wow.

Originally posted by pluckynoonez
They need to partner further with Scientology. That way, space exploration will naturally discover its true course.

How can someone be intellectually curious enough join ATS and at the same time believe in Scientology?