VIDEO UFO - Anomaly found on old archive footage

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(Watch at the very end of the footage)


This is something I've just come across that at the very least should rule out at least a 99% chance of it being a fake. As you may or may not know from my past posts I don't usually put a lot of store by YouTube ufo videos for obvious reasons. But I've been subscribing to the above users channel for some time who uploads archive footage as it is digitised in what is(most times) an unedited way.

The last thing I expected to see was a UFO video to show up.... Watch at the very end of this unedited video for the very fast moving object. Now as this guy has uploaded 247 videos of old WW2 footage with no ufo's this is either a real anomaly (I'm hesitant to call it a ufo just yet) or the biggest and longest 'setup' in history. The footage is from the Romano Archives that can be reached at the link below.


Romano Archives

So what is it? I haven't a clue, I'm not a plane or WW2 buff but whatever it is, its worth looking into a bit more I feel. I'll see if I can get a higher res copy of it to look at, as I feel it'll help more than any encoded YouTube version will to get to the bottom of it.

So what possibilities are there? Well it could be real and something this guy found as he claimed by accident after digitising the footage, or it could be simply a bored archivist with way too much time on his hands. Or it could be something much more ordinary such as insect close to the camera. If it is indeed something that is on the original film version from back then in the pacific theatre during WW2 then it sort of rules out many hoax possibilities (but obviously not all.)

Thoughts?

Wayne...


[edit on 29/9/2008 by the secret web]

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TSW That is an interesting one!
Good find!

Thanks for the footage; great film by the way.

I'm curious if this "UFO" is also on the original movie. When you ask for my opinion I'll go for a damage piece of the movie (celluloid).

Do we know anything about the equipment used to take this footage?

It may be that anomalies such as that have occurred using the same camera and/or film...

If it can be determined that the object in question is not an anomaly, then we may have something interesting on film...and considering all the sightings (in regards to military) during that time, it could very well be another UFO 'buzzing the tower'.

Either way, thanks for the video...

There is a ' ball' of some sort flying over quickly in a ' wave' movement.

What IS it? Haven't got a clue. To me it looks like an Orb UFO but then again, I'm no footage expert.

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Well I can see one ufo orb zooming from left to right while at the same time I think there's another in the centre of the same bit of footage. If it's real then it looks like the foo Fighters seen all over the world at the time. The US carrier is probably in the Pacific. Some ufo orbs were seen there during the war 'though found fame in the skies over Germany. Time to check the screen again for more. Nice find btw.

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Maybe it's just one. The one in the centre may be a plane from take off.

I'll try and see if I can get more info from the guy running the archive. It'll certainly help make a decision one way or another...or at least discount some stuff.

I did think 'foo fighter' myself as well. Does anyone know if there is any alledged footage of them around as I've not came across any so far?

Wayne...

OK I got a reply... more information but not the best news in the world on the high res footage ...

Hi Wayne,

I was looking on abovetopsecret.com but I haven't found your thread.
I guess this footage was filmed in 16mm Kodachrome, the color film most commonly used by the Allies in WW2. The camera used was probably a Bell&Howell Film-o model. Unfortunally we had these reels on VHS and so quality is a lot lower respect to our usual standard.
I'm sure this particoular footage will be higly discussed in the next future since I personally discovered the "foo fighter" in the same day I published the clip on YT, and consequently this is really a "Never Seen Before" document.
For this reason this video is actually not available for private use, but for licensing only, to be used in productions or as journalistic news.
Anyway, if you're interested about ordering videos from our collections, please contact me trough my personal email. The link "Contact me" is at the bottom of every page of my websites.

Thanks for subscribing.

Kind regards.

Vincent Romano

ROMANO-ARCHIVES

So it does sort of wall any ats investigation of the high res footage as I make a rule to never 'buy' stuff for my ufo hobby. It does come across rightly of wrongly as he wants to make as much money as possible from it and hence keeping it out of any hands like ours.

Wayne....




[edit on 29/9/2008 by the secret web]

Here is my theory.

1. The camera uses negative film.
2. Single frame holds multiple dots (object).
3. In the process from copying negative film onto positive film, dust or dirt moved from left to right.

or

4. when developing film, dirty rolls can leave marks like that.

[edit on 29-9-2008 by Benarius]

Sorry. Please ignore. Got completely the wrong end of the stick.

Deleted post, will leave in my first sentence though...

Good find OP. Very interesting film!

[edit on 29-9-2008 by triplesod]

the secret web , thank you to for sharing this VERY interesting footage: in my humble opinion this is a VERY interesting find: if it's NOT a glitch or dirth or similar, as already suggested, then this is not something that can be easily dismissed as a bird, a bug, a balloon etc...
But i would be interested in seeing some example of dirth producing THIS same effect or a very close one: of course i'm not ruling it out, just would like to see some example: i've seen many types of odd, very odd effects produced by glitches, dust, dirth, moisture, anomalies in the film emulsion etc, so i'm aware that it's a possible explanation, but an example would be very useful, especially if reproducing the same appearance and (even roughly) the same path.

Wayne, today i had the pleasure to email Mr. Vincent Romano (in italian), in order to share with him some informations about ATS and to know more about him and his projects (he's probably reading us now: i've sent him the link to this thread):
i've also asked him if there were any chances to watch the relevant scene, not affected by YouTube's lossy compression:
He has been so kind to share with us a MPEG4 Hi-Def version of the footage, imported straight from the Dv format one.
So now we have the chance to watch this video in its best version presently available.
I would like to express to him my gratitude for this.
He is doing a professional work with his business, which target are TV channels or other journalistic sources: his work is being recognized worldwide, some of his youtube channel stats can be found here: romanoarchives.altervista.org...

UnknownWW2InColor's channel awards:

#7 - Most Subscribed (All Time) - Italy
#19 - Most Viewed (All Time) - Reporters - Global
#1 - Most Viewed (All Time) - Reporters - Italy
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Whatever this turns out to be, that's one of the most interesting channels i've ever seen on YouTube, and i find the whole project to be very interesting: of course i will watch all the stuff in that channel.

As said, the dust explanation can't be dismissed, but at the status quo is as valid as the theory that what we see is an actual object caught on tape:

The MPEG4 Hi-Def version of the video can be downloaded HERE (right click and save target as).

File type: mp4
File size: 2.83 MB
Duration: 14,76 seconds
Frames: 369
The UFO comes in sight at: sec. 10,56

Fig. 1

This is a screenshot of the Hi-Def version, grabbed right after the UFO comes in sight

the quality, given the circumstances, is relatively good, IMHO

The first thing i've noticed is the bright appearance of the object: it looks to be some object with a metallic or reflectant surface: i doubt that an opaque object would have this appearance in this case: it also may suggest some "external" origin, (glitch, dirth etc) but i may be wrong (and it wouldn't be the first time )

Fig.2

Enlargement with pixel resize by a factor of 21

Fig.3

Enlargement with bicubic resample by a factor of 21

Fig.4

Enlargement with bicubic resample by a factor of 21: brightness -58, contrast + 29%.

These enhancements are relatively useful, since the shape of the object shifts (at least apparently) in each frame
But in my opinion, we can almost rule out birds, bugs etc: i'd say that it looks to be some irregular sphere, i'm not sure though.

The most interesting facet of the video is the path of the object:

Fig.5

Rough reconstruction of its path: of course it's not 100% correct, but it does make the point: right before vanishing from sight, the object changes path in a way that makes us safetly rule out balloons or other stuff moved by the wind or simply thrown into the air.

Fig. 6

Here seems to be clear that there is (at least apparently) a couple of objects (in some frame they look to be three, in some even more, but it could besome motion blur effect, just pointing it out). Also the change of path becomes obvious with the two objects outlined.

Of course, there could be some mundane explanation, but my take on this one is that if it's not some kind of glitch/dust/dirth etc., then it's something of extremely interesting and not easy to explain: in this case, Foo fighters come to mind: look forward to read more comments about this one: just my 2 cents

Grazie ancora, Vincenzo!

Internos Thanks for managingto get this high res footage for us, I'll give it a once over myself, but so far I have to agree with your initial findings. We can rule out a lot of things. bearing in mind what I do for a living, I rarely start threads unless I am sure its not the obvious stuff we come accross, and this this case I'm especially interested.

It doesn't behave like a balloon to my mind, or anythig that I'd normaly put forward. As Mr Romano is cooperating, its safe to say its not the 'bored archivist' solution either (I doubted it was, but added it for completeness sake.) Again I'll have a good look at it and see if anything pops up.
But yes, foo fighter is the 1st thing I thought of, if its the 1st bit of footage of one, then it's of great interest.

Wayne...

Ah thats much better to work from.

OK my inital thoughts:

Around 10-11secs into it as it reaches teh 1st arc, it appears to slow down. This would seem to dictate a sense of 'weight' to the itme in question. (It also brings up the possibilites of it being some sort of tracer or flare.)

No one seems ot notice it in the footage, normlaly this would be a heads up to possible naughty stuff, but remember we are dealing with an active war zone in this footage. Takig time to lok at flying objects could have got you your brains shot out.

It seems te be levelling out to fly closer to the water / avoid the surface of the water.

When slowed down to half speed it does not seem to follow a bezier curve flight path. (Very common in fake vids..... you'll know the reason why I assume.) its an alomost 'jittery' path of flight that 'could' say that the thing is intellegantly piloted and the pilot is adjusting as he / she /it/ them flies.

I'm also going to have a go at stabilising the footage tonight to get rid of any shake etc.... to give us the truest pictue that we can get.

Wayne...

Thanks for the footage OP, I didn't find the cause of the anomaly, however the same footage is elsewhere online, the clip is of Grumman Hellcats taking off likely for the "Marianas Turkey Shoot 1944" as this is referenced on other clips online.

There is sharper footage here (click high resolution);


And less high quality footage here, and on metacafe here. These are all both by different authors to the Romano Archives.

I am kinda erring to lens flare or internal reflection (have seen a few online elsewhere) don't know really! However going with a foo fighter in the high quality link above as the object dissapears to the frame at the right there almost looks like a shock cone formed briefly at the far right (hard to spot!) reminded me of this ex. Thanks OP.

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Stringue, have a star from me:
Mr. Romano just sent me a message in order to clarify this point:
the videos in question were extracted from an english documentary of which he had the original: the metacafe version (of which Mr. Romano wasn't aware), is the one with the original sound: at the start of his activity on YouTube, Mr Romano himself published that version, with a soundtrack instead of the original audio:
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while the other copies available on youtube were most likely downloaded and re-uploaded (check their dates).

The "cleanest" version of all ones is the one that can be found in my previous post: it is the one which was extracted straight from the original footage, then recorded on vhs, basically it's the one with less compression.

Now, regarding lens flares and / or internal reflection: they are the first option i consider whenever i watch videos: in this specific case we have not just a variation in the path of the object(s), but also a counter-clockwise rotation: this should be determined by:
a) Rotation of camera (and it does not rotate)
b) Rotation of the light source (or reflectant surface) which determined them: no light sources can be spotted in the field of sight, but this possible explanation could stand, because we could have (out of sight) some light sources which determined the effect: but they should be moving ones, their change of path should have been determined by some deliberate movement, and theis rotation as well: this is why i don't consider it the most likely explanation, but i have to add that the rotation occours when the change of path takes place (and that's a clue ).
Thank you for your very good contribute

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Wayne, i remeber the great work you did on the Hoeillart triagle video:
one thing that we know for sure is that the acceleration were NOT determined by the camera movement: so, whatever is their source, is some external one (actual object, out of sight moving and rotating light source, etc): i look forward to see a stabilized version


[edit on 3/10/2008 by internos]

Originally posted by internos

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Wayne, i remeber the great work you did on the Hoeillart triagle video:
one thing that we know for sure is that the acceleration were NOT determined by the camera movement: so, whatever is their source, is some external one (actual object, out of sight moving and rotating light source, etc): i look forward to see a stabilized version

[edit on 3/10/2008 by internos]

Yeah I also took careful note of that as well, I had a mega crash last night when stabilising the footage but I'll have another go later today / tonight. I can tell you from the preview in the viewport (just prior to the crash ...typical eh?), is that it does help and when stabilised its fairly obvious that a lot of stuff can be discounted and that the object appears to be under some sort of intelligant control. To be honest I was looking as well for any obvious tracking errors and didn't see any in my quick visual check. (Hey its something that's got to be done regardless of the source of the footage these days... and in no way reflects on Mr Romano)

Wayne...

Stable Footage Download link (7z compressed file)

I've left this as an uncompressed AVI and have stabilised it from just before the anomoly comes into view at around 8 secs. As it was a bit large file size wise I've compressed this with 7zip which has brought the file size down to a more managble 50mb (as opposed to over 300 uncompressed.) I'm pretty sure winrar also opens these files.

thers a fair bit of parallax movement on this from where the camera is in relation to the horizon line on the ship..... I've done the best I could and its pretty damn stable I think.

The line of flight looks pretty interesting to me...

Wayne...

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my first thought was that it is a flare of some kind

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