Brainwave Entertainment: Bad Side-Effects

Any updates on this? OP, how are you doing?
Has anyone else tried this type of audio? Seems so crazy!

- Boat

Originally posted by Boatphone

Has anyone else tried this type of audio? Seems so crazy!

- Boat

Yes, see thread below.

Bach to the future


Made it in collaboration with OmegaPoint.

Centerpointe produces brain entrainment CD's. Very powerful. However they warn you beforehand that a side effect may be "overwhelm" due to the release of previously unconscious material. I've used these CDs for years and had only minor issues at the beginning.

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What type of issues did you deal with? Was it a unwelcome side effect or just an unplesant time? Any more information would be great. Thanks!

- Boat

I was a psych major and learned some neurology, I received neurofeedback training for several years, I read a lot of metaphysics, and I'm now a Q'ero hampe (earth steward shaman), so I have some thoughts.

I know that the brain entrains itself not just at the time of the frequency but later as well. Not that you stay in that frequency (god forbid!), but the more you listen to alpha, for example, the more your brain tends to go to alpha automagically unless you push for something else. This is, as I understand it, because the subconscious is like a barrista who's very, very attentive- she's just waiting to take your order and deliver it. You consciously request to stay in alpha for a while - she sees you get out the cd and use it, which is a visual command - and she delivers alpha. You order alpha every day, or you drink alpha for long periods, she assumes that's what you want and starts pouring you a cup whenever you aren't otherwise occupied (which would create other brainwave states). She defines "otherwise occupied" pretty tightly however - she'll try to slip you that cup of alpha while you're driving on automatic pilot or sitting in class, etc. Give your subconscious the credit she is due; she tries very hard 24/7 to deliver whatever you command, listening to even your images, thoughts, and feelings. But the truth is, she can't discriminate very well. Even the fantasies in your mind seem like commands to her.

The subconscious serves up that brainwave state a lot more because she sees you request it, and perhaps keep asking for it. That's why people are usually warned in shamanic training against shamanic journeying too often (say twice a week max!), or too long (20 minutes is preferred, 25 minutes max). More than that would mean too much time in theta, which does lead to ongoing side effects for many people, because the subconscious/barrista just does what she thinks she is told: produce theta.

After you've used the entrainment a few times, she thinks this is a standing order, so you're going to have to place a few different orders to correct her misunderstanding. For instance, if too much theta has wonked you, use some alpha (not too much!) and then some beta (again, not too much!). Then your subconscious will realize you actually want a variety of states and will be listening for your order more carefully.

As for the hallucinations, etc., that happens in theta; it's a journey into the subconscious aspects of reality - and even other realities - which can be pretty bizarre. If you drop into it while awake (compliments of your hard-working, devoted barrista), you may find this distressing, but if you find yourself surrounded by giant spiders, know that in alternative reality you can be superhuman - do anything, be anything, your imagination is the only limit - therefor, you are in no danger. Give off a blast of withering light and they'll fall away and leave you alone, for example.

As for feeling like you're not present, most people slip out of their physical bodies while in theta - some do in alpha - and if you're constantly feeling not present, you probably aren't - your consciousness is outside your body (a common occurence for shamanic practitioners) and you aren't grounded. There are lots of ways to get back in, grounded and aligned properly. I suggest 1. Stand barefoot and wrap your arms around a tree and ask it to ground you and align you, imagining your roots reaching down to the center of the earth. Sink your energy down until you feel present. No tree? Set your tookus on the ground. 2. Hold black tourmaline against the bottom of each foot. No black? Any tourmaline will help align (but not ground) you. 3. Reach out around yourself and hug your energy bodies back into your physical body (intention is very powerful). 4. Ask whatever Spirit help you believe in to assist. Don't believe? Ask them anyway.

I also agree with the chakra awakening aspects as part of the problem.

Seems that the "stars" of this thread have gone away.
They should both go to a hypnotherapist.
Regular MD's are wothless when it comes to things of the mind.
It is a wonder they didn't prescribe prozac or the likes and really mess these people up.

Blue finally said he had ADD and therein lies his problem.
These people have each half their brain running at different speeds.
He needs someone who has knowledge of the effects of different frequencies.
He's upset that alcohol doesn't make him drunk?
I wonder what would happen if he found out that he could train his brain to feel drunk without drinking.

The Monroe recordings do not state what frequency they are producing.
Whatever it was apparently slowed down the speeded up half of his brain.
Also some of the posters here are calling the beats "bineural".....
It is "Binaural". Haveing to do with ear/hearing.

Shaman, do you work with other people or are you just working on yourself?
I have programs from Transparent Corp which I am working with.
Forming the suggestions is the biggest problem.
The one's I have done so far just don't feel right.
I have food allergies and have been using the suggestions for healing.
I think my sub mind doesn't think I am sick or injured therefore it has nothing to heal. So I'm trying to think of something more specific, like, "You easily metabolize Citric Acid and other toxins...." (which our food is loaded with these days.)

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Thanks for your insight, QeroShaman. I am still unable to feel a 'buzz' from drinking alcohol, which seems very odd to me. Also, I am still slightly bothered by bright lights. Otherwise, I feel like myself. Are you able to recommend any other actions that I could take to recover?

Have you ever heard of this type of thing happening before? Thanks again.

- Blue

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Whatever it was apparently slowed down the speeded up half of his brain.

Thanks for adding to this topic, OhZone. Can you please explain a little bit more of your thinking? Do you think that the problems I encountered were due to different speeds of thinking? If so, do you know how to counteract this? Thanks again.

- Blue

i use binaurars for remote viewing and 'anti-aging'(frequency 0.5-4)

i experimented with binaurars at some poit more and would find some uncomfortable to listen, can give you headache or even suicidal thought (after one binaural session (made by some user at brain gen) i could clearly see word 'SUICIDE' in front of me , its very difficult to reverse if you are not pro with mind control, but i was ok and over with this (within two hours ) with word 'LOVE' reversal... anyways..

yes, some brainwaves are made for wrong reasons and you must be careful, stop immediately when you feel something wrong is going on

but your symptoms are not too bad- just increased sensitivity..

anyways, take care..

if you really need help with good/tried binaurars, pm me your email, ill try to send over

ok, i just re-read your posts and looks like you are totally unsuitable for binaurars, you have no sense of 'mind control'

ever heard of the rule 'negative attracts negative' and 'no complain rule'

no complain rule might ease your symptoms quicker than any doctor, that's what you do :

take 7 day complaining ban period, which basically means 'no complain'

even you feel worsest, dont tell anyone its bad, dont post bad/complaing things anywhere, even if some one asks you how you feel - say all good

after you make this 7 days ban- you should feel much better

"Blue finally said he had ADD and therein lies his problem.
These people have each half their brain running at different speeds."

I notice Monroe Institute has cds that supposedly help ADD, that coordinate the hemispheres. Wonder if they work? I read the history of the Monroe Institute and they look authoritative on paper.

"The Monroe recordings do not state what frequency they are producing."

I called them and learned a few things. Monroe Institute supposedly does a lot of research to optimize their products' effectiveness, so the frequencies they are using is likely a trade secret. Apparently it's somewhat complicated to explain, as well: they use multi-layered binaural frequency combinations to effect change.

Saying the brain is in one frequency is overly simplistic from a neurologist's point of view , as the brain naturally runs various frequencies concurrently. If someone here is a neurologist, I'd love to hear an explanation of this. When most of us learn to alter our brainwave patterns (I learned through the Silva Method, which took a weekend), we are being given a mental control panel that will take our conscious awareness into certain frequencies, but there will always be other frequencies running in the background serving other purposes in the brain (like respiration, heart function, concretizing memory, etc.). I've ordered a number of the Monroe cds to try them out.

One thing to realize about all sound, whether it's binaural, just music on the radio, or a jet overhead, is it affects us tremendously. Noise pollution is more destructive than people realize. More to the point, the notes we hear and beats we hear can mess us up or heal us because we are energetic beings with our own natural inner chord that can be disrupted. And contrary to common thinking, everyone's chakras are not vibrating at the same speed; they aren't all tuned to the exact same notes. That's why some music and some sounds can make you physically ill.

Luckily, something as simple as lying on the ground for 20 minutes while intending to "reset" your energetic pattern will help tremendously to restore your personal chord and mental/emotional health. (I also ask Earth to help me.) If you've been horribly affected, go take a nap after that, repeating to yourself as you fall asleep "I now reset my energy to health, love, and gratitude." (Emoto's research on water indicates that love and gratitude energies are the healthiest frequencies.)

"Shaman, do you work with other people or are you just working on yourself?"

Mainly myself right now! I have worked with other people, but right now am on hiatus doing advanced training and personal development. I will be starting a practice in April or May which incorporates shamanic techniques, Reiki (energy healing), and narrative as healing tools.

The roots of your illness/problem/issue may need attention (more than just trying to reprogram your head) to heal more than your body physical. If you're looking for help now with your food allergies, or anything actually, I'd suggest Rose De Dan of Seattle. www.reikishamanic.com That woman lives in power. If she can't help you, she'll tell you and recommend someone who can. Oh, and shamans and Usui Reiki practitioners (of 2nd degree or more) can do a lot of work just as effectively long distance.

If you aren't attitudinally open to working with a Shaman/Reiki Master Teacher, I can also recommend Andrea Hess, who does fabulous healing and intuitive work, also long distance. You can find her on line. She's expensive but mind-blowing. You'll get more healing and useful info in one session with her than with 10 sessions of less gifted folks. Since my session with her, I've changed dramatically for the better - lost 48 pounds and a huge load of energetic baggage. I feel empowered physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually...

"I have programs from Transparent Corp which I am working with."

What are those?

In one of the last posts, someone talked about clenching their jaw involuntarily, and that happened with me, though it seems to have been a recognised medical reaction to some dentistry.

Interestingly, I had listened to an experiment with sound on BBC Radio One, which, it was said, was "the brown noise" and which is supposed to make people poo!

I'm here looking up symptoms because I now get convulsions and some of the symptoms you described. I'm not saying they were caused by the sound/s they played, but it's an interesting coincidence.

I hope you're well now. With the sensitivity to light, I was thinking you should check with your doctor about Meningitis, but you're missing some symptoms of that, and your doctor's will have checked you for it.
I'm impressed with the advice you've been given here. If you'd had any psychic abilities come along at the same time, like me, I'd have suggested you go to a particular website that specialises in helping people with symptoms associated with psychic abilities. Especially new ones. (www.qpsychics.com.)

One thing I would suggest is that if it's still affecting your feelings, maybe try out one or two of the Flower Remedies, which most of my mates now use, coz they've tried mine and they work.

Good luck.

Interesting, Drudge is linking to a newspaper article in the UK on this very topic. OP, are you still out there? Brainwave programs give me the creeps, frankly. Has anyone had any experience like this? Its been a year since this thread was up.

- Boat

Don't use low vibrations, it will produce just what you expirianced.
Emotions, stress, fear, it will bring you down.
Want to feel disconnected and have fun away from problems go for the higher waves. Want to reason and learn go a bit lower, want to have some feelings go lower. Don't go all the way down or it will produce just that, all tho sometimes
we need to understand us and go very low to understand what is bothering us in our sub consciousnes. I find it a great tool to take control of your self.

As times go's after practicing with the waves I found out I can switch without the waves on my own, tho it does not last. I guess it's practice ..practice practice, the longer you practice the more you can do it without the waves.

More interesting information. What type of waves would you consider to be 'low,' Alpha, Beta...? Also, is there any way to counter-act these or correct these low waves? Why aren't others being troubled by them, I wonder. This whole topic just seems so wild to me.

- Boat

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Beta will just break you down, I go higher.
www.nakedspirit.co.uk...

High Beta Brain Frequencies

When brainwave frequencies are above 25 cycles per second, the self is in a hypertensive or hyperactive state, often accompanied with anxiety, panic, anger or rage and possibly psychosis. These states are dangerous to the self and others and should be calmed down to the lower Beta or Alpha range. This range if sustained for long periods, can be dangerous for our health and may cause permanent physical damage for example to the heart muscles.

It's where the problems come from.

Higher is lower and lower is higher in meditaion frecuencies.
In meditation you can start with tetra, and then lower it to a level if you want to focus, become aware. You got to let your brain ajust.

For example, skip the gaia crap and just take what is good from this site.

www.multidimensions.com...

It's from one frequency to another where you get into a stage.

I would avoid high beta waves, it will just damage you.

You guys don't listen to the good stuf
Want to get high then go with this, need head sets or turn it loud.
Lay off the hard beta waves.




[edit on 20-7-2010 by pepsi78]

For an example, it's why you get depressed.
Do not use beta without alpha, or high beta.

www.rainfall.com...

Alpha Waves ( 7.0 hz to 13.0 hz )

In Alpha, we are awake, but relaxed. Alpha is sometimes described as the 'daydream' state as most daydream activity occurs in persons while in alpha. There are many reports suggesting relationships between people with Fibromyalgia, Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder, ADD, AD/HD, and other maladies, that may suffer from excessive Alpha with little Beta activity during the normal waking day.
Beta Waves ( 13.0 hz to 40.0 hz )

Beta is associated with the fully awake, fully focused mind. High beta without alpha is associated with stress, anxiety, high blood pressure, and similar issues.

So you think the original poster got into trouble with High Beta? Interesting. What advice would you give someone who is looking to breakout of the High Beta zone - do they need to use more music programs then?

- Boat

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Hi!

I think this can help you:

www.nawangkhechog.com...

I'm listening to one of his CD's and I find it very relaxing. I think Nawang is a reliabe person and a qualified musician too.

Maybe you should listen to the Music as Medicine CD.

Good luck! All the best.

I would stay away from binular beats, this last post of mine should correct all I have said.