US Marine Drill Sergeant Boasts of What They Will Do To Civilians Under Martial Law in the USA/MONTA

What part do you love so much?
Why are you aggrivated?

Originally posted by 2stepsfromtop
I always love this part!

A third site visited was in the San Fernando Valley, adjacent to the Water District. Again, the area around the actual Water District had fences logically pointing out (to keep people out of the dangerous area). And the rest of the adjacent area which went on for several miles was ringed with fences and barbed wire facing inward (to keep what or who in?) Also, interesting was the fact that the addition to the tops of the fences were fairly new as to not even contain any sign of rust on them. Within the grounds was a huge building that the guard said was a training range for policemen. There were newly constructed roads, new gray military looking buildings, and a landing strip. For what? Police cars were constantly patrolling the several mile perimeter of the area.

This is the place!! A Real FEMA Deathcamp!!!

Easy access!!!!! Just grab them off the freeways, where roughly 100,000 people a DAY drive by and can see the whole darn thing!

You are referring to showing photos of fema camps?
Thats what you love, Im only asking dont get hot.

[edit on 24-9-2008 by snowen20]

I tend to wonder how much a part in whatever comes next the Marines would be asked to play. They are the service most divorced and derisive of mainstream society.

I love the part where these missionary types use the San Fernando valley locations to push their fear agenda in order to gain converts.

Those pictures I posted show the exact locations that these people talk about on their website (Duh!) Do you Comprende now? DO you get it?
These missionary types are trying to instill FEAR in you to get to your pocketbook. It's a SCAM.

Originally posted by snowen20
WAR BY ATTRITION WINS THE DAY

Since you're an Army guy as you previously stated, you may not have had the kinds of experiences that would make you understand why resistance will be spotty and futile, unless superbly organized with undisturbed communications, which as we all know, will be unattainable under martial law circumstances.

The experiences I'm referring to is being taken into custody by a superior authority for something you know you shouldn't be being seized over, for something you know clear as day is a violation of your so-called civil rights, or those that you supposedly have to protect you in the Constitution. Most people typically say if faced with such a situation by say, the local police department, that they would disobey the police insofar as doing something non-violent and non-dangerous such as disobeying an order to .. walk out of their house at that instant and come to the officer, standing on the curb or in the neighbor's property, and going inside instead and locking the police out until they come up with a warrant to search the home.

Even though they technically are within their rights to do so, when they eventually go to trial, after the police eventually get the warrant and find some reason to write you a summons, which they will trust me on that.. even if they have to stretch the truth thin like a rubber band about to snap, which they will and do and have done, they will tell the Judge you were particularly uncooperative, not allowing the officer's inside or not obeying their order to waive your rights and walk outside. Then you actually get jail time for something most folks get their jail time suspended for having good behavior during the arrest (and by pleading guilty, saving the court and police some time in their methodic prosecution machine called the judicial branch). All for trying to stand up for your own rights, whether or not you had something illegal to hide, you have rights and they were made to protect you. Hmm..

protect? This means that in the privacy of your own home, something illegal that is harmless to anyone, even your own self, should be protected by your civil rights. Why else would they be there? If we didn't have the right to deny a search if they didnt have a warrant, and then they find nothing illegal, how was it such a horrible violation? That person barely got disturbed, isnt going to jail, isnt going to have a court trial, has nothing to worry about. Thus it seems fairly obvious these rights were partially created to protect yourself when in possession of illegal yet harmless things. (for example: a small personal amount of cannabis, or a bottle of booze over the limit for alcohol level, or even a prescription pain medicine for your cracked tooth/injury that you are too poor to be able to see a doctor for, so were given for free by a friend? all of which you will be arrested for if they are discovered)

In the end, what im getting at is, when faced with people of authority, who are armed and are representatives of the government, be it local or federal, you are routinely intimidated into not invoking your rights. You will be threatened in a certain wording so as to allude to it without directly saying it; that you will be treated bad on purpose, and jailed for something they'd otherwise write you a summons and send you on your merry way over.

Now allow me to ask you, Mr. Soldier. Who do you consider more intimidating? A few police officers with holstered handguns in blue uniforms, or a small group of soldiers, be they national guard, reserve or U.N. peacekeepers, with shouldered machine gun rifles, in full urban camoflauge combat gear? I personally have been intimidated out of my rights by police threatening indirectly and so forth like mentioned above, and was at my own home even. And it angered me greatly afterward, but at the time I was mildly scared. I could only imagine if that situation was replayed out, except with solders with machine guns under a martial law circumstance where my rights literally wouldnt mean a damn thing period. The kind of circumstance where they just walk right on in your home, pushing you aside or what have you. Or even kicking your door in, and rounding up your family into a single room, as the house is torn apart in a fruitless search.

Let me know how you feel about this,
much respekt.
-runetang

[edit on 9/25/2008 by runetang]

reply to post by 2stepsfromtop


Do you allways go around acting like an ass?
It was a simple question HERO, do you get it?

I was just wondering about the specifics because of something that I researched I a few months ago about fema prison camps, so while your "cuteness" is all to wonderful to experience how about you take it down about 40 notches and calm the F$#%K down.. Thanks

Oh and also thanks for answering my question.
I think it is interesting how when you type FEMA prison camp in to google it takes you directly to them, and yet people still deny them, weird.

reply to post by runetang


.Well I don’t know for sure if your being sarcastic or not so I wont act like a prick..

No in all seriousness I agree with you to some extent however as time wears on the organization of any military unit degrades and likewise so does the units discipline, in this situation say martial law one wouldn’t be expected to take it balls to the wall with the enemy otherwise you’ll have your ass handed to you.

I should have clarified, attrition is a patience game where the one with the greatest will is the victor. Wait for the units to become complacent in small areas, wait for them to take things for granted and over time great things can be achieved. If your willing as a soldier or a civilian to take great risks to accomplish a set goal your likely to see amazing results.
Danger will always be present and there is a great chance you will be killed. That’s a reality one must be willing to face. Once enough people are organized against the degraded opponent hit and run tactics are your best offense. Guerilla warfare won out in times past in countries where a modern army was deployed.

A fact that is of course hard to swallow is that as a militia or a guerilla unit you will in all likely hood take more casualties than your more modern enemy.
This is probably the hardest part about being a guerilla, that is convincing others to be prepared to die for something they are uncertain of.
If it is easier to give in and go to a FEMA camp or turn in your weapon and have 3 squares a day then that’s what a person should do.
However if you can convince a person that the suffering they go through is a means to a greater end and that if they hang in there they might see the light of day it is also worth it. Its important to understand there is a great payoff even if you didn’t live to see it.

As far as who is more intimidating, well weapons are meaningless and so is armor and black uniforms, that’s my equipment if I can get my hands on it. However the people in the gear no matter if they are soldiers or police, depending on their attitudes that’s what may intimidate me. Numbers can be a problem though, Bradley fighting vehicles,,,,and Abrams..Oh yeah that’s a pucker factor no doubt!


I still can't help feeling that the "MR. Soldier" remark was a cutting one, am I right?

[edit on 25-9-2008 by snowen20]

So it looks like going on the amount of stars on posts the majority of people don't believe in either this thread or the FEMA camps. Which is fine I am not trying to convert anyone or anything all I am saying is that I think it would be wise to keep a close eye on this subject. Especially if the presidential election is postponed because of the 'credit crisis' which incidently I am 100% sure that this has been manufactured as part of some grand scheme of things. We shall see..........

i felt i had to post here to reply to some of tha above comments, to you guys that are ex marines an army, its human nature to go along with the majority, so if you, and iv no doubt you are, descent human beings who thinks you would not go out and follow an order to take out women and children, are standing with 99 others who will carry out the order, you will more than likekly go along with them. especially since not following the order will result in you being sent to military prison or worse (not sure if the death penalty is allowed for treason). also its stated above that soldiers wouldnt carry out ilegal orders! IRAQ!! its an undeniable fact that the war on iraq was based on lies about WMDs, so why havent all the soldiers put down thier guns an said i aint killing innocents no more

reply to post by whoswatchinwho


If your eluding to any of my comments, I'll have you know my days of being human cannon fodder are over Im EX MIL now thank God!
But a soldier for life none the less.
Hopefully those of whom you speak will realize that its ok to have a concsience, but you do make a very valid point, thanks.

Originally posted by snowen20
reply to post by whoswatchinwho

 

If your eluding to any of my comments, I'll have you know my days of being human cannon fodder are over Im EX MIL now thank God!
But a soldier for life none the less.
Hopefully those of whom you speak will realize that its ok to have a concsience, but you do make a very valid point, thanks.

Snowen, and others thanks for your input, I am not bashing the army in this post, even though I am completely against war and fighting in general, I have alot of respect for the couragous men and women in the army.

IMO Its all down the regime machine that changes decent men and women into killers with no conscious. The truth is 'the powers that be' don't care one iota about anyone apart from themselves. To anyone reading this Please wake up before its too late.

Marines aren't any more likely to kill women and children than any one else, even if ordered to. There are people that Marines are at times attached to that are more suited to those kind of behaviors, and like in the general population there are Marines that believe, that the end result justifies the means. We are all brainwashed to some extent. You can't keep a good paying civilian job unless you do as told even when you know it is illegal or unethical, and those that have been in that position in the Corps are sometimes ordered to do things that are wrong by power hungry superiors. I know that even as rough the training and assignments are that the Marines are the only branch of the military that at this time exceeds their enlistment quota. These are kids that want to do what is right, but they also are trained to kill so that they and their fellow Marines don't die. The skills that they learn aren't to deal with angry civilians but they are trained to not shoot at a non threatening target. I saw only one act of unkindness against a civilian while in Vietnam and the person was stopped by others before anyone was hurt. The only civilian that I saw injured was a boy that had fallen from a truck and the Marines and Corpman that tried to help him were very caring and upset though we were all just onlookers. The kids would swarm us when ever we were around them and even the biggest jerks in the Company would enjoy the interaction. We were just kids ourselves. I realize that I am somewhat off topic, but I had to defend the honor of the Corps.

in no way was i trying to degrade the individual soldier or ex soldier, i have the greatest respect for you guys n girls who are willing to put your lives on the line for those of us back home, merely pointing out that people in the forces are trained to follow the orders of their superiors who are in turn trained to follow their superiors ect. i see a very scary time coming over the next few years, i believe martial law or a poice state will be brought in by the back door, starting now. if not to control a population that is revolting about the financial situation, then i think that there will be another terrorist attack that will be used as an excuse to protect us from the bad guys out there.

reply to post by whoswatchinwho


I understand what you're saying about "following orders", and to an extent, it's consistent with my experiences, however not in this hypothetical situation of standing shoulder-to-shoulder with your buddies, zipping women and children. As a directive against an armed and organized group of mercenaries? Sure. But to indiscriminantly kill civilians, fellow Americans? NEVER would have happened with anyone I know. I would never have done it, and I don't give a damn what they were accused of doing. If a group is standing proud and they are citizens and unarmed, I would NEVER have fired upon them. I do not believe my moral ruler is all that uncommon.

I think atrocities have been performed throughout history in the name of following orders, but as exceptions, not the rule. A policy of doing so would result in the commander being relieved of duty, and none too gently.

I believe the above statement is bankable, and a hell of a lot more dividends that realized by our current bailout recipients.

i see what your saying and i agree with you, if you were just told to go out and shoot innocents indiscriminantly then no sane person would follow these orders, but, the scenario im talking about would be, for example: the banks crash, people are running on the local branches to take out their savings, hundreds or thousands all trying to get their money at the same time, the banks close the doors theres no money left to hand out. people get angry they start protesting and as we've seen in the past mass protests can lead to riots, the police and military are sent in to stop the riots, someone in the crowd fires a gun, the order goes out to break the riot, the soldier on the street with thousands of rioters in front of him wont have the time to think is this a valid order, should i really be firing on my fellow citizens? end result innocent people who only left the house in the mornig to get money from the bank will die. and when i say innocent people i mean soldiers as well.

To those who think that soldiers would never do that, I have two words for you:

Kent State

reply to post by sir_chancealot

That was one of the lowest points in history. I agree that something like that could occur again. Tracy Chapman's song "Give a Boy a Gun" always made me think of that tragedy, though it wasn't written about it.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

You should think some more before making up your opinions, these guys do not need to sell you anything, money is pointlesss to them. Think of it, why are they looking at making chips such that money is just numbers credited to these chips?What they want is the power to tell you to do what they want, and to make you sustain whatever lifestyles they choose. The point I am trying to make is they do not really enjoy all the work and effort required to produce stuff to sell to you, if they could get power and cheap labor from you without economies and commerce they would. The richest guys on this planet, the guys with real power don't even want ot be on the Forbes lists, they will let oyu think that the latest rapper is richer than they are, they don't care for money that much. Now do you really think a computer entrepreneur or a Mexican businessman would be richer than the bankers who have been in business for decades and generations?Now think about it some more...
Lucidus

I don't understand why this article is automatically accepted as truth? It goes so well along with the pre-existing conspiracy.

As hard as I try I cannot understand how anyone can believe our government is going to take law abiding average citizens from their homes and put them in FEMA camps.

Yes, I do believe such camps exist. The United States of America has had concentration camps before. This is not a new idea. They were called internment camps by our government.

The conditions in these camps were deplorable. Families were separated. These prisoners were United States citizens with homes and legal businesses.

It looks to me like many of us have been self centered and not looking at this situation on a more global scale.

Are you smarter that a 5th grader? I'm not going to do your home work for you because you would learn nothing. But I will give you a couple of reference points to help you in your study.

1. On Feb. 2, 1942 President Roosevelt signed an order for all Americans of Japanese descent to be given 48 hours to gather a few belongs and be ready for transport to government internment camps.

2. Another order was given in Jan. 1945 to release all detainees and allow them to return to their homes.

Questions to ponder.
1. Why were the Japanese descendants detained?

2. What was the remainder of the population doing during the times
the camps were in force?

Using logical reasoning who would be the prisoners in the FEMA camps?
The answer is very obvious to me.

As for the so called Marine...........I don't buy it. No Marine would have such diarrhea of the mouth.