The Second American Revolution: Turning Point

Originally posted by cormag
i believe the military would join the revolution. most americans that enlist are poor and would join because their family might be apart of the revolution

It will depend on the officers, not the enlisted men. And it will be a royal freakin mess.

[edit on 25-9-2008 by In nothing we trust]

I'm pretty sure the reason we have Democracy is that it is the most efficient means of transferring political power.

Efficient, as in its the greatest force in uprooting entire political regimes while at the same time having absolutely zero bloodshed.

We do not want to revert to anarchy. I am pretty sure the Founding Fathers would agree. Any form of political revolution that takes place has to be on reasonable grounds, have a massive following and occur without violence. If the powers don't agree, then we can deem them anti Democratic and remove them.

The problem with this thread is that you can not justify the actions of small groups of advocates. If a revolution must happen, you will see everyone respond at the same time. People aren't docile. If you believe that, you have either been brainwashed by reading this forum too much or have not left the house much. You don't just start a revolution because we're having a financial crisis. We have to admit that everyone is responsible for what's happening in the stock market right now. Not some invisible hand of the so called "New World Order". The idea of revolution really has to be ubiquitous. It has to resonate in all individuals, regardless of who is leading the charge, and regardless of the socioeconomic circumstances around them. In the end it has to be political.

The only way it will work

1) Step one. Massive, united, non-violent political revolution.
2) Step two. Seizure of power. Whatever means necessary if the existing government does not agree.

The government has to be responsible for whatever the reason we are revolting. We have to make sure it's not our fault as well. You can't just start a revolution because the government is going to war with whatever country you personally feel we shouldn't be fighting. That's the U.S. Department of Defense's job. They know what they're doing.


[edit on 25-9-2008 by cognoscente]

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People will not all respond at the same time. A big problem in the American Revolution is that they could not agree to start an armed uprising. Once they decided on that they had many difficulties keeping an army manned so they could liberate themselves. Revolutions generally start with a small group of individuals and branch out as people see that it is possible.

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If everything were to work out just right, in the way I see it now would be a easier transfer of power...

1. Convice in a series of steps that citizens are being lied to systemiatically by the goverment and that they NEED to have power and have a equal, fair goveremnt and that their civil rights are being violated.

2. Convince the population after that to

1: Boycott the major candidates
2: Rally around a new candidate who is going to reform the government

I also really just seeing this is cutting ALL the polical crap out of the way and focusing on one thing: The people.

The government serves the people, not the other way around. We need to remind them that we ARE the undermining power, and not just mindless voters who are swayed easily by candidates advertising power and speaking skills.

That's who I really see it for,

For you and me, for our children and their children, for the people of this nation, and of this world.

Many people do not see through the clutter recognize that our civil liberties and oaths have been violated by the very people that swore themselves to serve others.

Our NATURAL RIGHTS as American citizens are being violated. Being an example or, 'a city upon a hill', America is always in the spotlight. If we allow ourselves to give up our liberties, who will be next, others will follow.

The principles of Ingsoc:

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

--George Orwell's 1984, or America's 2008

I do not mean to seem over critical, however you all speak of revolution as if were a possible occurance in our NWO reality. First of all, 1776 occured during a time where all of the millitaries around the world used single shot, innacurate flintlock muskets, and these were the same weapons of war the militia used, as well as the colonial army. In our modern era, our armies and government enforcers use modern assault rifles capable of over 900 rounds a minute, not including mini guns at over 1600 rounds per minute. Our millitary has satelite guided missles, Abrahms tanks, smart bombs, thermal and infared imagery, not to mention the fact, Electro Magnetic Pulse weapons, directed energy weapons, black helicopters, weather weapons, ie. HAARP Project, etc. And yet some of you speak as if revolution is possible using non violent methods, what are we going to do, change the world by informing the public of topics which they wouldn't believe in anyway, at least the non intellectual majority. There are teams of dedicated inviduals in the cabala of power, such as the Bilderberg group, who are literally masters of propaganda. Our patriotic citizens, at best, have a pleothora of semi-auto handguns, shotguns, and the occasional semi auto/hunting rifle, vs. M16 A4's, MP5's, etc! Revolution is in intself, only possible using violence. Do you really think we would be a nation if we begged and pleaded with the British aristocracy to please stop taxing us, sorry this would have ended in disaster. As a type this out, there are over three FEMA detainment camps in every state, just waiting to be chock full of unwilling citizens not going along with the plans of the NWO. Face it people, revolution is preety difficult when we face automatic weapons, biological as well as chemical weapons, we even have the patriot act and the new domestic security enhancement act 2004, which can imprison us indefinately without reporting to our families, if we don't like what the NWO is doing. What happens if you speak out to much? Well let me put it this way, JFK was going to disband the public reserve system/privatized banking networks, not to mention he wanted to dismantle the CIA, and what happened, he #ing got shot in the throat and the skull by a high powered world war 2 Italian millitary rifle, the third shot hit the pavement. If they (NWO/Iluminati) can whack a president, think what they can do to you or me! Most of the populace is simply unwilling to face the dangers neccessary for change. Even if there was a revolution, the human condition is itself imperfect, there will always be governments, which govern the people, and these governments will always consider the profit motive over the human one, this is just basic economics people. War is prvatized more and more, and when war is that profitable, we sure as hell well be seeing more of it.

“The most important kind of freedom is to be what you really are. You trade in your reality for a role. You trade in your sense for an act. You give up your ability to feel, and in exchange, put on a mask. There can't be any large-scale revolution until there's a personal revolution, on and individual level. It's got to happen inside first. You can take away a man's political freedom and you won't hurt him- unless you take away his freedom to feel. That can destroy him. That kind of freedom can't be granted. Nobody can win it for you.”
Jim Morrison quote

“I don't care if I fall as long as someone else picks up my gun and keeps on shooting.”
Ernesto 'Che' Guevara quote

reply to post by truth_seeker3


It only takes 6%. Just ask George Washington.



Technically, we need very little modification to our Constitution.

We just NEED THE DAMNED GOVERNMENT TO OBEY IT!

Originally posted by ninthaxis
reply to post by cognoscente

 

People will not all respond at the same time. A big problem in the American Revolution is that they could not agree to start an armed uprising. Once they decided on that they had many difficulties keeping an army manned so they could liberate themselves. Revolutions generally start with a small group of individuals and branch out as people see that it is possible.

Oh I see. Thanks for the insight. I should probably do a little more research before I post. Your post makes sense from a rational point of view as well.

i agree with u 100% um this is kinda off point but have u ever seen a movie called road warrior and mad max it seems to me it starting to look alot like those movies if u havent seen them go find them on youtube or go rent them out its with sylvester stallone very good.

Originally posted by In nothing we trust



Military aid will have to be funneled into America by other countries as well. The revolution will need Surface-to-Air missles, C-4 explosives (Lots of it), LOng range sniper rifles, anti-armor weapons, mortars, automatic weapons, and of course lot's of ammunition and intel.

No it doesnt. It needs a lot of dedicated people with nothing to lose, some handguns and shotguns. You then go to where the elite live and end up in there living room. Then bug out and move on to the next target.

Guerrilla warfare. Change will come soon after...

Originally posted by fleabit

Man.. people just have no idea how good they have it.

The banks are making millions homeless and the Government is going to pay those crooks 700b! That is OUR money and it should have been given to families that are getting thrown out on the street! All our good paying jobs are being outsourced and we don't have much time left before everyone will work for slave wages just to survive.

As the pioneers that tamed and built this nation with blood and sweat WE WILL NOT DIE LIKE THAT!

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Nothing is going to change until things get REALLY bad, e.g. TV is unavailable, internet offline, no more taco bell. I'm sure you'll know that our mentality is such that we only take action when action is desperately needed.

We really do need a revolution. We have been weakened down so much that most of us fear a small bug, spider, or a mouse in our houses. Fear over something that small and natural needs to be eliminated, and has to be reprogrammed as being the norm again. Though this fear is very insignificant, it keeps everyone baaaaaahing. Anything beyond their sugar coated world is scary. That fear will not help the cause. People have to be broken from their habits and fears or they will not care until it is to late it not at all.

Yay, Time for revolution! Get organized and maybe Rage Against the Machine will come play at your rally. It will just be that much easier to drop a Daisy Cutter or Cluster Bombs on your arses. I vote for a M.O.A.B myself, but thats me.

I use to believe in revolution, black helicopters, FEMA concentration camps and all that B.S. Then I grew up.

What are they putting in dope now days? Seriously!!!!!

Tell me one thing the government have prevented you from doing?
(excluding being dumb and causing traffic problems in MN)
(excluding being dumb and turning over cars, breaking windows ect)
(excluding any use of illegal drugs or generally being a drunk dumbass)
(excluding physical assault on law enforcement in MN)

Tell me the last time you were issued toilet paper, food, and water.
(excluding your time in jail for being a dumbass)

Tell me the last time the government told you what you could say, watch on TV, what job you will do, when you can go on vacation ect....

TELL ME! I want to know what freedoms you no longer have that you use to? Don't give me that B.S. about the patriot act because that has saved your arses from attack on our homeland on more then one occasion.

What exactly do you want? What freedom do you feel that you are entitled to that you don't have?

Screw going to Cuba, thats just Hawaii for Euro's I suggest you go to North Korea, China, Iran, Syria, ect.... Then come back and tell me how bad you have it.

I have a better suggestion for ya. Why not go to a V.A. Hospital or your local V.F.W and talk to real Americans!!! True Heros and ask them why they sacrificed alot more then you have for this nation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for some change. I could use 75 cents for a 16 oz. pop tomorrow at work (my choice) Mountain Dew tyvm!



[edit on 26-9-2008 by Volton]

Originally posted by Volton
Screw going to Cuba, thats just Hawaii for Euro's I suggest you go to North Korea, China, Iran, Syria, ect.... Then come back and tell me how bad you have it.

Why would you compare our country to any other? I dont care if every country in the world became less free than America, I compare it to what is meant to be! THAT is what being an American is all about!

We need to stop being fleeced by big business, we need to stop our wars for profit, we need to stop bleeding our jobs overseas and we need to stop letting people get as ignorant about it as your statement makes you seem to be.

I am a TRUE Amerian...what are you some kind of corporate bootlicker that hates the people?

reply to post by kettlebellysmith


Texas has had a large succession movement for years, and its not like they haven't been a republic before. Plus with 2 "global cities", all the industry and livestock, they could be independent. Oklahoma is 2/3 sovereign nations already, due to being indian land, plus food, energy and one of the lowest costs of living...yea that would be my bet. The U.S. would be boned if Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas seceded and formed their own union.

All I have to say is that when we repeat something over and over and crave for it like an insatiable hunger, a great longing, the chances of it happening are greatly increased. The more people that join in a cause the stronger it becomes, this I believe also holds true for thoughts; the more thinking that goes into it the more probable its manifestation will be.

LIKE ATTRACTS LIKE.. stand up, and others tend to follow suit...

Everything begins in the MIND.

The first step is usually the hardest.

Nevertheless, hold the ideal in mind.

Originally posted by flyingwoodyWe really should start something, but not on ATS because that's against T&C

That statement could be applied to quite a few things.

So how could something like this be coordinated away from ATS?

u2u? Probably not.

Linking to a website? Probably not.

Posting an email address in a post? Probably not.

You had your chance when your government used its own people in front of the controlled media on 9th September 2001 to show the world how to get away with mass murder right under the stupefied gaze of you the sheeple.

So what exactly do you think it will take to get you off your MTV - CNN asses? Oh yes, MONEY!

Originally posted by Volton
What are they putting in dope now days? Seriously!!!!!


Tell me the last time the government told you what you could say, watch on TV, what job you will do, when you can go on vacation ect....

TELL ME! I want to know what freedoms you no longer have that you use to? Don't give me that B.S. about the patriot act because that has saved your arses from attack on our homeland on more then one occasion.


[edit on 26-9-2008 by Volton]

It's more like, "What have they been putting in food these days?" 95% of the population could answer that question, I doubt.

Our rights being violated? The reason why you don't see it because it is not being reported. The government has a tight control over the media, (obvious, watch Fox News rip on concerned views of 9-11 conspiracies).

Can you tell me what the second amendment was?

Note that and say to yourself, it that not being violated?

The First Amendment, if this is not obvious, please ask and I will care to explain.. (aka biased press, illegal gatherings *AKA RNC PROTESTERS*, and separation of Church and State)

What is the fourth amendment?

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

After that and Judaical Review, you might need to look that one up, its a oldie. You can see why all of our Rights are being violated through that. It is completely ridiculous! The Supreme Court has final rule, so were stuck with certain laws forever, even though they are unconstitutional.

How about one that applies to you....

Car stops. Quite often, police officers, even though they are your friends and neighbors, are tricked into tricking you. They try their best to search cars and issue tickets.

It is their job to ARREST YOU. Not protect you.

If you have anymore questions, please ask, I want to convince as many people as possible.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan...what are you some kind of corporate bootlicker that hates the people?

Corporate bootlicker?...um No!

That hates the people? It's possible, I'm still on the fence on that one.

As far as some of the comments I made, I was probably a little out of line. It doesen't really express the actual way I feel. I'm just having a hard time seeing the same America that some of you see.

Is America perfect? No

Do I agree with everything our leaders feed us? No

Do we have alot of problems that need to be fixed? FOR SURE!!!