Understanding Money Means Understanding Sex and Drugs

Great forum Relentless and surely you'll need more hep.

I have largely grown bored with the ATS thread model, so I am posting stuff to my TinWiki user:talk page, and I think others who want to really take hold of information (so that obfuscators cannot drown the good posts with mindless "me too" threads, etc) should also get a TinWiki account and begin composing their own collection of information on their user:talk because it'll enable you to build your own information nexus. ...Please feel free to check out my TinWiki user:talk page thought its just a tiny starting point.

TinWiki:smallpeeps:BANKING HISTORY

...I am just gettin started, but here are a few things I want to point out:

First, all this above-the-surface discssion of money and markets is more blindness.

The DOW and other markets, are the CASINO FLOOR whereas the real truth behind what moves the world is the BLACK MARKET and specifically, all the drugs which are bought and paid for by channels below the surface.

Americans (the churchy ones, mostly) have brought the world to this point because they choose to remain childishly stupid, in regards to drugs and sex, the two pillars of the black market. Human slavery could be considered the third pillar.

I have started a thread about Christopher Story (he of WantaGate fame) who has been the one in months previous, to alert the world to what BushCo/Paulson/Bernanke and their buddies, have been doing. He coined the phrase "The Paulson Plan" monts ago. His website makes interesting reading because it gets to the truth of the matter, i.e. drugs/oil/criminality which are at the core of this issue.

worldreports.org


...Also there is another site you need to read. In short, Fannie and Freddie are huge money laundering concerns wich are more a part of the black economy than the visible one. I mean honestly, if making a pack of ciggies can also be seen as minting currency, doesn't it make sense to be in the ciggie business?

ATS thread: Putin is the Modern Day Carlo Gambino

...The thread above goes into more detail and has links to Katherine Fitts analysis of RJR Reynolds and the lawsuit brought by the EU in regards to RJR's black market manipulation.


Anyway, I am tired of hearing all these so-called experts on ATS who think they know what money is, but who never mention the billions of dollars of the black market. In fact, financial regulation of a true and lasting nature, will require legalizing pretty much anything anyone wants to buy (drugs and sex and slaves/indentured servants). This is the only way to stop the major criminal syndicates who are stronger than any "goverment" and which will soon own the US and probably the whole world, due to the American prudes who can't come to terms with the idea of sex and drug use as being an individual choice NOT to be morally sidelined or regulated.

Regulation of morality means total decepion in the market because millions of Americans want recreational drugs and hookers/ but YOU stupid morally defunct AmericanChristianSheep never want to hear about the dollars involved in that.

Closing eyes to the black market means you get bought by the black market. Americans are tools, and have been since they didn't learn from prohibition. Stupid retards even amended their own Constitution and did't pay attention to the effects! Americans deserve watever they get for their ignorance in regards to human behavior. Its no surprise that "Old Europe" thinks we are fools --Not that their own people haven't similarly been dumbed down also of course. TV is very powerful. How about an amendment to outlaw TV? Think any Americans would riot if that passed? ha ha ha

Anyway, if a person refuses to understand his world, he/she is a child and children in the eyes of these globalists, are property to be owned and used indiscriminately. So meet your new parents: Bush Family, FRB Board Members, and The World Criminal Elite. They DO understand sex and drugs, and that's why they are about to BUY YOU, because you, do not.

Have fun discussing the sideshow of the marketplace, however. I am sure they find it amusing to watch you fumble and whine.

If you really want to investigate truth about how money moves, you could investigate "Clearstream", bt the two guys who did that, got thrown in jail by the French, so watch out. Truth can be dangerous!


wiki/Clearstream

Accusations
In 2001, investigative reporter Denis Robert and Ernest Backes, an executive at Cedel until May 1983, published a book, Revelation$ in which they alleged Clearstream played a major part in the underground economy, was a main platform for money laundering for hundreds of banks, and "operated hundreds of confidential accounts for banks so they could move money undetected," according to Business Week.

Backes and Le Figaro were sued by Clearstream and found guilty of libel on March 29, 2004 and again in 2006 and 2008. Cases have been appealed

Hmm, thrown in jail for libel --how dare you accuse us! We titans of finance!

After the initiation of an investigation in Luxembourg, on suspicion of money laundering, tax evasion, and other fraud, Clearstream's CEO, André Lussi, resigned (See below). This enabled Deutsche Borse to purchase the remaining 50% of Clearstream International in July 2002. According to some, such as Business Week, Lussi had opposed such a takeover.

CEO resigns and whistlebowers go to jail. Hmmm..

Clearstream often has been described as a bank for banks, as it practices what is called settlement for eurobonds mostly'. Basically, its function is to ensure that DVP transactions on which client banks have agreed are processed accordingly.

So a bank can just order a transaction between its own account and the other bank's account, in lieu of less secure methods such as carrying a case full of currency or securities around on the street; the bank merely transmits an order to Clearstream to credit/debit one of its own accounts and the other bank's account(s). This general system is in use between regular companies, governments, and banks around the world.

The purpose of Clearstream is to facilitate money movements around the world, particularly by handling the resolution of sales of European stocks and bonds, in which market Clearstream is a major player, with an estimated 40% market share until May 2004 - together with its competitor Euroclear. The two firms settle 70% of European transactions. Furthermore, in January 2006, Clearstream was the 18th largest employer in Luxembourg.

Interesting how nobody mentions the black market fuinds which are surely (read: "Clearly) flowing through these well-greased financial channels. But hey, its easier to discuss what you know.

Self-righteousness is its own reward, is how I think Jesus put it. Oooohh, doesn't it feel good to be morally and religiously righteous in your little selves while your country is gutted? People really can insulate themselves from the real world if they want to do so. Start praying now!



[edit on 23-9-2008 by smallpeeps]

Don't forget gambling. If it wasn't for people's love of gambling, there would be no stock market. Or professional sports, for that matter. We humans are a gamblin' bunch.

reply to post by Nohup

Yes.. very true. Gambling is a drain on the weak minded people who "Believe" they can win, when the intelligent people know for a fact they are statistically incorrect. Who benefits? The Casino owners.... follow the trail up and down the line.

Originally posted by Nohup
Don't forget gambling. If it wasn't for people's love of gambling, there would be no stock market. Or professional sports, for that matter. We humans are a gamblin' bunch.

That is an excellent point, thanks for bringing it up.

On a larger perspective, humans in general are happy to gamble with their money, yes, but also with their lives and their children's lives. Check out Brattney Smears driving her car with a tiny child sitting on her lap... Now that's a gamble that could pay off big: The upside is you save the time involved in buckling up your child, but the downside is that your child is pressed through the steering wheel cheese-grater-style by your own body weight, if you get in a crash.

I think Brattney is the mental model for most Americans, and surely she believes in God as strongly as she believes in her right to gamble with her child's life, right?

Are there any Americans who can straight up admit that they are gambling with their OWN children's lives and futures?

I thought not.

Like I said...

U.N. crime chief says drug money flowed into banks

Published: January 25, 2009

VIENNA: The United Nations' crime and drug watchdog has indications that money made in illicit drug trade has been used to keep banks afloat in the global financial crisis, its head was quoted as saying on Sunday.

Vienna-based UNODC Executive Director Antonio Maria Costa said in an interview released by Austrian weekly Profil that drug money often became the only available capital when the crisis spiralled out of control last year.

"In many instances, drug money is currently the only liquid investment capital," Costa was quoted as saying by Profil. "In the second half of 2008, liquidity was the banking system's main problem and hence liquid capital became an important factor."

The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime had found evidence that "interbank loans were funded by money that originated from drug trade and other illegal activities," Costa was quoted as saying. There were "signs that some banks were rescued in that way."

Profil said Costa declined to identify countries or banks which may have received drug money and gave no indication how much cash might be involved. He only said Austria was not on top of his list, Profil said.

...Of course they are pretending to be surprised, but they are not. Also you can check my tinWiki user page for the World Bank Hacked story from a few months ago. That's probably a trigger for a lot of what's been going on because their servers got laid out including all the cash flowz.

The Drug War is something Obama says has failed utterly. But really, I'd say it's succeeded maximally, for those who run it and who throw people into US prisons for dumb weed laws and so forth.

We don't need to end the drug war, but we do need to educate this generation of youth so that we can stop this absurd cycle of governmental recoining and collapse as well as the silly drug laws telling people what medicine or recreation or spiritual ingredient they can or cannot use.

Anyway, wasn't there something about bailing out the multi-billin dollar US porn industry also? It's hard to talk about actual wealth and capital without seeing the porn and drug reciepts so at least this discussion can get started now, after hundreds of years of BS, we are finally getting to the real issues. Hoo-ray!

Yes there are prudes, but it's so weird, the prudes only stop things that would be beneficial to society.

They don't stop drugs from being used, they just limit the legal choices to the worst possible drugs(alochol, cigarettes, and prescription drugs), while forcing the illegal drugs to go through the hands of gangs aka the street corporations, who deal with violence and murder more directly than your standard corporations do. Making them illegal also doesn't help with proper usage of the drugs, it creates more addicts and causes more overdoses. Instead of treating addicts like sick people who need help, they're treated like criminals. there should be no jail time for using drugs. if they're abusing drugs, they need help, not prison.

Legalize all drugs, and try and make using them as safe a process as possible. make the effects and side effects of all drugs well known. put studies together to find the proper dosages, establish proper treatments and treatment centers for addiction, and let go of the taboo's and misconceptions that characterize drug users as bad people.

Sex. man, it's so weird. I'd call people hypocrites but I think they've deluded themselves and aren't aware of the hypocrisy. Especially parents who want to keep sex away from their children and characterize it as a bad thing. Well gee moms, didn't you have sex? Or did virgin mothers suddenly become the norm? Don't lie to your kids. Don't lie to yourself first of all, because most of the people looking to suppress sex are lying to themselves. I don't think most of them even remember what it's like to be a teenager. I do. I was ready to have sex when I was a teen. and that sex could have been with any attractive woman, of any age. I didn't care if they were 13 or 30. Hell I masturbated to more 30 year olds than 13 year old's since porn was readily available and legal for 30 year old's That's why I hate these to catch a predator shows. They set up men looking to have consensual sex with a teenager. a teenager who wants to have sex, is talking about sex, and is inviting the man over for the purpose of having sex. I'm not blinded by this illusion of innocence that's being propagated by the prudes who demonize sex. Your child is not innocent. She's capable of making her own decisions. Sex is not bad. People wanting to have sex with your daughter are not bad people for wanting to do that, no matter their age. Why? because sex is not bad, remember? I just said that. if you weren't so blinded with rage maybe you'd of heard/read that, and tried to understand it, then realized the truth.

Lower the age of consent. make prostitution legal. Get rid of the misconceptions surrounding sex. no, you can't go blind from masturbating. nobody knows how god feels about birth control or abortion(no mention of it in the books "directly" from an "all-knowing god") . No, homosexuality is not a sin. the list goes on. Get rid of all of the taboo's. Doesn't matter who has sex or how they have sex as long as it's consensual. Even when it's not, I'm not that upset about it. I think rape's overrated, and I don't particularly like how society reacts to rapists. I just don't know how wise it is to not show any sympathy or try to gain any understanding from criminals. Doesn't seem too intelligent to me treat them like beasts. Doesn't look to have had such great results either does it? you think rape's going away any time soon? Not with society's archaic thoughts and laws. We need some progress here if we want real solutions.

The most powerful people in society are capable of and often do control public opinion. It's these same people involved in the drug trade and sex slavery, some directly involved(using the drugs, having sex with slaves/prostitutes/altar boys), while others are merely indirectly involved. they profit from these things, cover up these things, but don't directly partake in them. But either way they are facilitating these illegal activities with one hand, while the other hand is condemning these illegal activities and telling the public it's wrong to do such things. Why? well there are any number of reasons, but I think the main reason they'll let the prudes stay in ignorance is that sex and drugs are the two most powerful and profitable commodities/services. Why wouldn't governments want to have control over that? Especially when the government is in bed with the banks, and has the street gangs on a leash, doing as they command. By making drugs and prostitution illegal, it opens up the opportunity for them to hold a monopoly over both. If any citizen could grow their own weed, or walk down the block and visit a brothel in the middle of the day, They aren't going to get the same type of profits. They can manipulate the drug trade covertly, and spend the money on black projects. It's pretty well known on this site how involved the C.I.A. is in the drug trade, and I wonder how involved governments are in the sex slave trade. bush jr goons are linked to Dyncorp,(known to be involved in human trafficking) and don't forget bush sr.'s goons were linked to child sex slaves/prostitutes.

Even if we were in some fantasy land where the government wasn't involved, anyone whose eyes are focused on reality can see that the gangs are too powerful. they can't be stopped by the law. slowed down? haha, well, if the prisons weren't taken over by the gangs that might be true. But the prisons are taken over by gangs. The system lost. they can't outlaw drugs or sex. they're too powerfu, humans are too drawn to theml. the government can either manipulate the drug trade secretly and take the profits to use on black projects to further their own power, or they allow the free market to get a crack at offering up sex and drugs, taking the power out of the gangs hands, and their own hands as well. If we let the government make that decision, I don't think we'll like the results. I think our current results are the results of letting the government make that decision. We have to demand the legalization of sex and drugs. This is a cause everyone needs to support, even if you don't plan on visiting any brothels or doing any drugs. If you wante safety, then you take the drugs out of violent hands, and let the legitimate corporations get the opportunity to dope us further with drugs, and actually get the chance to offer us the sex they've been subliminally(and not so subliminally) marketing to us in just about every advertisement in existence.

Originally posted by ThePiemaker
Sex. man, it's so weird.

I can't argue with you. But the ideas you raise would require a stronger family unit with mom and dad empowered as a unit, and with also community support. How shall families change their communities when they all eat hand to mouth? No, the commune, itself, is the enemy. So any "commune-ity" is going to have to be controlled by the "central committee" or PTB. But then many Americans would say its good that agents infiltrated David Koresh (for example) to save 'the children'... They don't care that the children get fed into the foster care system, it's more of a political thing, but still, it gets results.

Get rid of all of the taboo's. Doesn't matter who has sex or how they have sex as long as it's consensual. Even when it's not, I'm not that upset about it. I think rape's overrated, and I don't particularly like how society reacts to rapists. I just don't know how wise it is to not show any sympathy or try to gain any understanding from criminals.

You raise interesting points. Whereas rape isn't overrated for the victims, I do understand what the sentiment is. If one gives something power, then it becomes powerful in itself. So my solution would be to make it easier for all citizens to arm themselves with tazer or non-violent method, including also deadly force if they feel it necessary. This is the simplest answer to rape. The dialogue you raise, can be had at any time after that. The laws are actually looking to create more victims, I think.

The most powerful people in society [...] are facilitating these illegal activities with one hand, while the other hand is condemning these illegal activities and telling the public it's wrong to do such things. Why? well there are any number of reasons, but I think the main reason they'll let the prudes stay in ignorance is that sex and drugs are the two most powerful and profitable commodities/services.

Seems logical [:spock:]

But the prisons are taken over by gangs. The system lost. they can't outlaw drugs or sex.

Here's where I'd say this: It serves the prison power, which is profitable, and easily merged with the job-finding and large-scale infrastructure building powers. I am not in favor of UPC codes, though they make a Hershey bar more easy to buy.

We have to demand the legalization of sex and drugs. This is a cause everyone needs to support, even if you don't plan on visiting any brothels or doing any drugs.

You've summed up my whole point. Thanks.

If you wante safety, then you take the drugs out of violent hands, and let the legitimate corporations get the opportunity to dope us further with drugs, and actually get the chance to offer us the sex they've been subliminally(and not so subliminally) marketing to us in just about every advertisement in existence.

How shall corporations do so? Also would the church powers merge with it?

Main problem seems to be this: Confession of sins provides a far reaching mechanism into the operations of Earth's people. How shall we keep the information power of confessionals operating? Certainly the information power is non-national and non-poltical, it is ingratiating.

What I am saying is that what if confessions was altered in such a way that a person could opt to have their confession be aired on TV? I asked this of another religious friend recently. I said "What if th church member wants their confession and their punishment to be public? Is it allowed?" ...The answer was no.

I think the reason that any confessional religion wants privacy of confession, is for the power and allure that comes on the other side of the wicker. If the people demansd to hear their own confessions (in the manner I am here describing) perhaps that might result in a more self-aware human race? If we could all hear each other's confessions?

Even if some power were given away, the church and the priests of all faiths could still exist and needn't even defend themselves. Just allow all the world's confessions be seen (if the confessor desires) and heard by anyone who wants to hear or watch, maybe even on broadcast tv.

Nobody even has to lose their job. All that shifts, is power.

But shifting the gearshift of power, is maybe like shifting a manual transmission without a clutch. It's impossible, until you get the RPMs just right?

[edit on 27-1-2009 by smallpeeps]

Shot Messenger was one of my favorite ATS members. Here's his first post to ATS. I am posting it here to point out that the data is out there, but not really being mined. This particular member spoke of some very odd things, but the part I am highlighting in bold below, seems to have a certain ring of truth to it:

posted on 10-10-2005 @ 02:49 AM

Welcome a new ATS member, shot messenger

Former USMC.
Longtime spook-[games]
semi-retired because I can't quit until I find my suitcases and bring down a powerful scumbag piece if # terrorist.
Eyes Only TS/Ultra keeps me awake at night and so mad I've lost my mind.
Fascinated by this board because it validates my position that the people love a mystery and can't handle the truth. You'd rather not know what you suspect is true.
The messenger always is hated for bearing the light of truth.
I hope to bring courage to this board because the good guys have already lost and the bad guys have total control.
9/11 was an inside job to use as a pretext for invading afghanistan and killing the taliban, who was wiping out the heroin narco traffic. It was also a pretext for invading Iraq and taking control of the worlds second largest oil reserves. Now herion afghanistan is flooding the streets of America and you are paying $3.00 a gallon for gas. Herion production went up 10 foild and gas went up three fold. Herion is worth more. A pound of oil is worth .3 cents- a pound of herion is worth $30,000.
The treasury has been raided by the bad guys who steal it to defend against a phantom enemy, to the tune of 500+ billion a year.
9/11 was a silent coup. The "terrorists" were trained on American military bases, the anthrax came from american military bases and was used to intimidate congress and the media.
the bad guys plan to invade iran,syria or north korea next on the tretext of nuclear terrorism. The bad guys have 40+ nuke suitcases and will use them as a pretext to invade more nations, ala 9/11.
The gig is up and the game is over. Time is not on our side. They don't want to implant chips in your skin or numbers on your forehead. It's just a game to them. Only a game. Thats all it is. And you are just a game piece.

Wow, what a character, eh? You can review all of SM's posts at the link below. He said his piece and left ATS I guess. But you cannot argue with the math and I think he understand s a lot more than I do, about global commerce. His threads pop into my head a lot. Not sure if it was some psy-op or if he is a real person.

Real truth comes from the strangest places some times, ya know?

shot messenger all posts on ATS

But anyway, the hard truth is that heroin is currency at the highest level of finance. People don't want to accept that, but it will happen eventually I guess.

very timely news here - www.iht.com...

Weapons might be added to sex and drugs, as the third item of true capitalism, as this obituary of "Gust L. Avrakotos, 67, the CIA agent in charge of the massive arming of Afghan tribesmen during their 1980s guerrilla war against the Soviets" here from 2005 describes:

www.washingtonpost.com...


Backed by Wilson's appropriations acumen, Mr. Avrakotos purchased so many weapons that he had to buy a special ship to move containers of them to Karachi. He badgered the Saudi Arabian government to keep a secret commitment to match U.S. funds to the mujaheddin and intimidated Sen. Gordon J. Humphrey (R-N.H.) into quieting his criticism of the CIA. He batted away a proposal by Oliver North and Richard Perle to set up loudspeakers in the mountains to entice Soviets to defect.

He shopped in Egypt for wheelbarrows and bicycles rigged as bombs. It was illegal to provide sniper rifles to foreigners, so he redefined the weapons as "individual defensive devices . . . long-range, night-vision devices with scopes."

But it was after he filed a memo warning against North's arms-for-hostages scheme that came to be known as Iran-contra that his career ascent ended, and he was reassigned to Africa.

Yep, all three of these things, drugs, money, or weapons, are capital, probably with more 'real worth' than even paper money, depending on the circumstances that is.

Why bother with reading Marx or any idealogue anymore when all idea-makers obviously leave purposeful blind spots in regard to how things actually get done?

More on topic...

Could Afghanistan's opium crop be legalised?

08 February 2008

This year's opium harvest in Afghanistan will be 'shockingly high', according to figures released this week by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC). They estimate that the country now supplies over 90 per cent of the world's heroin.

The news has fuelled criticism of the current US-led strategy, which aims to eradicate the crop. Instead, there is growing support for a scheme promoted by a European think tank, the Senlis Council, which hopes to establish a trial licensing scheme that would allow farmers to sell their opium for legitimate, medicinal use.

The Senlis Council started research into its Poppy for Medicine scheme in 2005, and in October 2007 published plans outlining exactly how a pilot scheme would run. The project has since received the backing of the European Parliament.

[...]

The current approach - forcibly eradicating opium crops - is interfering with the counter-insurgency operations, claims Norine MacDonald, president of the Senlis Council. 'When the crop is knee-high, tractors come in and plough the field to destroy it. The tractors are driven by Afghans but they are under the supervision of a private US military firm,' MacDonald told Chemistry World. 'So the locals see foreigners supervising people who are destroying their livelihoods. And there is a great deal of violence and anger in response.'

[...]

The Senlis Council argues that the Afghan opium crop could be used to relieve a global shortage of opiates - and become a source of affordable analgesics, particularly within the developing world.

'It's true that developing countries are not using enough opiates,' said Thomas Pietschmann, a senior researcher at the UNODC. 'But the problem is in dispensing the drugs, not in the supply of opium itself. The infrastructure simply does not exist in many of these countries to get the drugs to those who need them.' Pietschmann added that farmers were unlikely to accept the reduced prices of licensed opium, which would be a fraction of what they can earn from sales of the illegal crop.

According to the International Narcotics Control Board, the amount of illicit opium produced in Afghanistan in 2005 was 820 tonnes - more than double the total global demand for medical opium of 382 tonnes that year.

Opiates are widely used for pain relief in the developed world, and are mostly derived from the opium poppy. Morphine, used clinically for severe pain, is extracted directly from the poppy, and can also be methylated to produce codeine. The poppies contain other opiate alkaloids, such as thebaine, which is used to synthesise the analgesic and drug abuse treatment buprenorphine, and the veterinary immobilisation agent etorphine.

The opiates act directly on opioid receptors in the central nervous system, and completely block the transmission of pain signals. Studying their chemistry has enabled drug companies to produce synthetic opioid analgesics more powerful than morphine, such as Johnson&Johnson's fentanyl, making manufacturers less reliant on the supply of opium to make their drugs.

Four leading pharmaceutical companies contacted by Chemistry World declined to comment on the Senlis Council's proposal. One pharmaceutical industry insider said that no company was likely to comment on the potential for a legal market in Afghan opium, since the idea was far too politically controversial.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.erowid.org...


...Hey what's this about a worldwide shortage of opiates? Oh. Great, nothing like global bank runs combined with vicodin withdrawl?

Ouch, futurehurt again.

Its one thing to point out this most obvious fact, or at least it has always seemed obvious to me, and I believe that legalizing drugs is the answer, however, its the sex slave market and what it means to wake up, and get hip to this kind of thing. What does that mean? I may be aware of it, but no one owns me, they do not empower me. There are many people I will perform a citzen's arrest on should they show up near my doorstep. But then I'm the crazy one in my neighborhood. Someone says they own me, I say bring it!!!!
Come to my doorstep, get in my face. Because I have quite a lot to say to you!!!!

Being aware of the way pyschos and "bad guys" have run this world and system, and much of this black market is tied into the bloodlines and the cia, and black op system, is not the same thing as empowering it. But accepting slaves, no!!! Legalizing drugs is one thing. Legalizing slaves, no!!!! I like answers along with pointing out the problems. So far, the watchful ones aren't the rich and powerful, and are too few and far between!

I'm on board with legalization of vices, but I think it's obvious that it will never happen in the US. A good alternative is the fair tax. If we tax money when it's spent rather than when it's earned...the illegal money gets the same hit as legitimate earnings.

Personally I think it all goes way beyond waking millions more up, they just don't get it. I want an army of Steven Seigalls to rescue the sex slaves pronto.

Originally posted by mystiq
however, its the sex slave market and what it means to wake up, and get hip to this kind of thing. What does that mean?

But accepting slaves, no!!! Legalizing drugs is one thing. Legalizing slaves, no!!!!

Children are slaves to their family, that cannot be denied. Yet the issues raised above, are scandalously hot, too much so to even be discussed in any irrationally delphid and controlled place like this.

Explain to me what your specific issue is, mystiq. Is it that little girls and boys will be used for sex purposes? That already happens, has happened, and will continue to happen. Even right now, very few Mullahs will discuss their prophet's favorite girlwife. Also, for the westerners, boylove is clearly part of the beltway insider groove, isn't it? Seems obvious to me that Leonidas' movie 300 didn't include that boylove part of the whole spartanic mythos, maybe because it might have affected ticket sales? NAMBLA is accepted as a funny bunch of weirdos yet Nabokov's "Lolita" is scandalous in all incarnations. Seems like one branch provides soldiers while the other provides young mothers. One is clearly preferred by the warlords, the other, is not.

Yes, I agree, sex slavery is not good. That won't cause you or me to be able to eradicate it, nor the desire for it. What we can do, is be more intellectually honest. We perpetuate an idea that 18 or 21 are some ages where prior to which we are innocent? Billions participate in that delusion, daily. In fact if you don't, there's significant penalties.

To prevent the victimization of children in the light of what I am describing in this thread (and issues raised by others), I suggest the native way, which is the group of families, who educate or defend their kids against bad ideas or against being victimized. An indian child has always known how to push a knife between an enemy's ribs, but when did someone say that was a bad thing, to have children be armed?

But surely children will be armed, forever, by some parties. Now are they armed with AK-47's or are they armed with viagra, for rape crimes against say, elderly women? There are many ways to make children into monsters without their even knowing.

But in the final analysis, all of us adults, are really not fully actualized humans because sex and military education (history) are both shuffed off onto the gummint who wishes us to be docile, contolled little beasties.

Humans no longer have spirit journeys or sun dances to process the basic revelatory moments between childhood and adulthood. Is anyone saying that sex is evil? No, but a world that propagates ignorance of it, and which claims to "protect the children" but which actually fracks up their world, is insane. Someday, a generation of adult-children will realize they never got raised properly, and at that moment they will change how all children on Earth, are treated. I don't think it'll be done in any God's name, but in the name of "the children". Until that happens, children are just resources to the people in charge. Commodities is what humans are, in this age which is passing.

Yeah, like in that movie "Hostel" where sadists actually bid on humans, whom they intend to torture? Truth is often said to be stranger than fiction. I share your disgust, and I think that there isn't much of a way to stop the pain until there is full intellectual and spiritual honesty from all parents.