Cancellation of U.S. election now possible!

The website: www.dreamingofmoshiach.blogspot.com in the Prophecies section has 'Zohar Hakodesh President Bush/President Gog'. I believe this is partly where the Russians received their information about President Bush cancelling the upcoming election?

Hi Mike. No problem at all. I may not be able to answer all of your questions, but I can sure provide you with a good springboard to further your research.

Originally posted by JustMike
If, then, the US President were to suspend the Constitution, indefinitely or otherwise, doesn't that mean that at that moment he no longer has the benefit of its legal authority and hence could not do anything as President?

Maybe "suspend" was the wrong choice of word. It's now set it up so that he (the Executive branch) would be the "Insurer of Constitutional Government" (as in: his interpretation of such) in a "Catastrophic Emergency". This includes "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions". That last bit is quite interesting since our current bailout situation could easily be considered "a disruption severely affecting the U.S. economy". Will he declare it a "Catastrophic Emergency"?

Here's a good thread dealing with the National Security Presidential Directive (NSPD 51/HSPD 20).

Originally posted by JustMike
I'd also be very grateful if you could cite/link the actual documents that give the US President the right and power to suspend the Constitution

Like I said; suspend may have been the wrong choice of word; not that it's entirely inaccurate, but more that NSPD 51/HSPD 20 basically gives the Executive branch the powers to delegate and interpret what is, or isn't, "Constitutional". The Executive branch becomes the "Insurer of Constitutional Government", and that's quite the consolidation of power. You can find a direct link to NSPD 51/HSPD 20 in the first post of the thread above, or simply click here.

Originally posted by JustMike
For if any US President (and I'm thinking of the future and not only now) can indeed suspend the Constitution, then its "Bill of Rights" amendments would no longer apply and the power of the elected Congress would also be nil -- and I find that worrying.

Yes, it is quite troubling knowing that our highest form of law can be left to the Executive branch as the insurer/interpreter. Cheney and Addington, his lawyer, have long been proponents of the notion that the Executive branch should have greatly expanded powers. That is likely why they pushed so hard for the open-ended "War on Terror". Times of war do expand Executive power, and they've used that as a basis for running the most secretive and opaque administration that our country has ever seen. If you get a chance, and can find it, I highly recommend viewing PBS Frontline: Cheney's Law.

Originally posted by JustMike
You have said that there are a "bunch of EOs" related to this. Does that mean these Executive Orders have greater power than the Constitution?

Executive Orders are a bit of a tricky subject. National Security Directives
and Homeland Security Presidential Directives are forms of EOs; so the NSPD 51/HSPD 20 Martial Law Plan is one such example. The EO issue really ties in with Cheney and Addington's "new definition" of executive powers. They seem to hold the belief that the executive branch has the right to use them in order to make, and rewrite, laws without Congressional approval; so in the current administrations opinion, EOs have greater power because they can be used to circumvent and reinterpret what's Constitutional.

Here are a few examples of how other EOs have been used by this administration:
Executive Order 13462
Criminalizing the Antiwar Movement. Actual EO found here. Note: "or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts..." Minority Report styled "precrime"?

Here's a list, composed by justanothergangster, of other EOs that could come into play regarding an emergency status here in the U.S.. These were not the creations of the Bush admin.; however, in conjunction with NSPD 51/HSPD 20 they could paint a pretty frightening picture.

I hope that helps to clear things up a bit, and good luck should you choose to further your research.

I somehow ended up following a link to Foxnews.com which says

"John McCain asked the Presidential Debate Commission on Wednesday to postpone Friday’s scheduled debate with Barack Obama so that he can work on the financial crisis bailout plan now on Capitol Hill.

The Arizona Republican senator said he will suspend his presidential campaign on Thursday to return to Washington to help with bailout negotiations. He urged Obama to do the same."

elections.foxnews.com...

Does he mean suspend his campaign for just Thurs and Fri or indefinitely?

I have noticed that many say things like, If the Constitution is suspended, wouldn't that take away Bush's power as Prez? and There is nothing that gives the Prez the power to stop the elections...

Bush has enough power, through papers and money, support and undermining, to become de facto dictator. The Constitution and any other papers he wants to disregard are moot. Put an economic collapse together with Martial Law, Blackwater and other private mercenary forces, the parts of the military that he has bribed or otherwise moved to his bidding, through favors, etc., and factions in Congress that stand to gain from his dictatorship, and we, the People, are screwed.

It won't matter what we holler, relative to Bills of Rights, Constitutions, or the power of any God, he will do as he pleases.

With the economy destroyed, and we, the People, indentured slaves to the Federal Reserve (a private corporation), we will have nothing.

If people aren't seeing this as a set-up for a postponement of the election has their heads in the sand (probably Iraq sand).
It's coming and it's coming quicker than anyone can even imagine. While I am a student of conspiracies, I'm level-headed and no loony. Before I even begin to establish an opinion that a certain situation is a dark conspiracy, I verify, verify, verify from a multiple of sources.
If anyone can stop watching their stupid TV stores and observe, this is the conclusion of the most troublesome and corrupt two term administration since this nation was formed.
From stolen elections, to false flag operations, to misleading war mongering, and now the financial crisis to end all fianancial crisises - all of this will take decades for historians to sort out and connect the dots of deceit.
I find it fascinating that the current POTUS has repeatedly said all year that our nation's economy was essentially strong and then this drop off the cliff into potential this manufactured financial melt-down.
Now children, don't be surprised as well that between now and the election day, there will be another false flag terrorist attack as well. Be watchful and wary and question any suspicious terrorist attack.

So. This is the coup the Republicans were planning all along.

When Paulson saw people weren't rolling over quickly to get f@cked in the a$$, they've moved to Plan B.

Plan B-f@ck the pretense of democracy. Let's just take power. End of story.

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Under the Patriot Act, should there be any cause worthy of being called national emergency, the President can superceed all branches of political power and take full reign of state and federal law and ordinances. This act was claused after 9/11.

reply to post by redmage

Many thanks for your detailed and very informative reply! I very much appreciate your efforts and I'll go through the material you've referenced when I have enough free time -- which due to work demands won't be until tomorrow. On the surface of it, though, it looks like the Constitution's protective guarantees are not so solid as I perceived them to be. Of course, my opinion matters not a bit: it's only the action (or inaction) of those who have the power to do something about it that really count.

@ Amaterasu: you paint a very grim picture, but I have no way to argue against what you say as I lack the knowledge or even the feel for things "on the ground" that you have. Besides, there are certainly examples of leaders in apparent democracies who have done pretty much what you've said so it would be foolish of me to say that the scenario you've laid out is impossible. I would hope that such an event would never come to pass in the USA but "hoping" doesn't do a thing. Thank you for providing this perspective.

Mike

Who in their right mind would believe the Komitet's words about the United States? The American public has better information than Russia would ever supply, what, with their "Goodwill" Intentions and all towards the U.S. now-a-days. If American citizens keep propagating Russian rumors and actually holding faith in them, then yes, this Nation actually does face a MAJOR problem.

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
The American public has better information than Russia would ever supply

the general public in america has no or totally false information..

Originally posted by nyk537
There will be an election in November. Bush will be leaving office shortly after. There is nothing going on here except wild conspiracy theory. This talk of canceling the election is some of the more "out there" talk I've ever heard.

Some people amaze me with their paranoia.

Have you even looked at what website you are on? Every possible conspiracy theory is diced up here and they range from the mundane to the absolute most mind bending extremes.... then look around at the current situation the US is in, look at how many things have blatently led up to this exact point over the last 8 years of his presidency.... and you can't fathom how the election could be offed? Even if you don't believe it, is it really that out there? Open your eyes to the state of the nation.

On the news this morning in the UK - McCain has put his election campaign on hold to pull together and work out the Economic crisis.
Looks like the beginning of a new term for Bush to me....

the bottom line factor is we don't know where to look anymore and something soon has to give.

Originally posted by nyk537
There will be an election in November. Bush will be leaving office shortly after. There is nothing going on here except wild conspiracy theory. This talk of canceling the election is some of the more "out there" talk I've ever heard.

Some people amaze me with their paranoia.

I would usually agree with this.

And I know it seems nuts to think that we are on the brink of something huge... but people, I believe we might be.

Let me show you why I think this...

So, I just moved to a new area and JUST got my internet hooked up.
I haven't been able to download movies or tv shows for a while (I know its bad, but thats not what this is about) so the first thing I do is go to my old movie downloading site that I haven't been on in almost 6 months and whats the number one download?
America Freedom To Fascism
By Arron Russo.

So I download it, and while its a great film for someone without a whole lot of knowledge on the matter, its nothing I haven't heard before...
but the fact that its consistently been the number one download for a while now, to me, is impressive (so good job America, starting to wake up!)

Well, while many people may be waking up, it seems now it may be too late.

I log on to ATS to see the new plan Bush may be putting into power, and remember, this was last week...

Then on Friday I log on to see this thread: ATS Thread
Let me throw you some highlights from the source: NYTimes

WASHINGTON — It was a room full of people who rarely hold their tongues. But as the Fed chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, laid out the potentially devastating ramifications of the financial crisis before congressional leaders on Thursday night, there was a stunned silence at first.

Mr. Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. had made an urgent and unusual evening visit to Capitol Hill, and they were gathered around a conference table in the offices of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

“When you listened to him describe it you gulped," said Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York.

As Senator Christopher J. Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut and chairman of the Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee, put it Friday morning on the ABC program “Good Morning America,” the congressional leaders were told “that we’re literally maybe days away from a complete meltdown of our financial system, with all the implications here at home and globally.”

Let me reiterate that last sentence...

the congressional leaders were told “that we’re literally maybe days away from a complete meltdown of our financial system, with all the implications here at home and globally.”

So then today all the headlines on my CNN news links are about the terrible conditons of the economy...

Then Ron Paul sends out a letter which can be found on this thread this morning! Ron Paul Thread
Heres an excerpt:

The claim that the market caused all this is so staggeringly foolish that only politicians and the media could pretend to believe it. But that has become the conventional wisdom, with the desired result that those responsible for the credit bubble and its predictable consequences - predictable, that is, to those who understand sound, Austrian economics - are being let off the hook. The Federal Reserve System is actually positioning itself as the savior, rather than the culprit, in this mess!

[lists]

There goes your country.

Even some so-called free-market economists are calling all this "sadly necessary." Sad, yes. Necessary? Don't make me laugh.

Our one-party system is complicit in yet another crime against the American people. The two major party candidates for president themselves initially indicated their strong support for bailouts of this kind - another example of the big choice we're supposedly presented with this November: yes or yes. Now, with a backlash brewing, they're not quite sure what their views are. A sad display, really.

Although the present bailout package is almost certainly not the end of the political atrocities we'll witness in connection with the crisis, time is short. Congress may vote as soon as tomorrow. With a Rasmussen poll finding support for the bailout at an anemic seven percent, some members of Congress are afraid to vote for it. Call them! Let them hear from you! Tell them you will never vote for anyone who supports this atrocity.

The issue boils down to this: do we care about freedom? Do we care about responsibility and accountability? Do we care that our government and media have been bought and paid for? Do we care that average Americans are about to be looted in order to subsidize the fattest of cats on Wall Street and in government? Do we care?

When the chips are down, will we stand up and fight, even if it means standing up against every stripe of fashionable opinion in politics and the media?

Times like these have a way of telling us what kind of a people we are, and what kind of country we shall be.

In liberty,

Ron Paul

This message was sent in the morning, and what happens just a few hours after?
CNN: Bush deems bailout plan necessary to deal with crisis

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. President George W. Bush, saying "our entire economy is in danger," urged Congress to approve his administration's $700 billion bailout proposal.

Wow, so this is this week, and what was last week?
The incredible drop of the stock market with a temporary fix...

So I talk it over with my buddy and we get to thinking, "well, we always thought that there was a possibility something would come up for bush to declare marshal law (and yes, the patriot act does specifically state that. Well, they call it a "State of emergency" and its outlined in Executive order 11921

Provides that the President can declare a state of emergency that is not defined, and Congress cannot review the action for six months.SOURCE

)), the end is coming, could this not be the event that he will use?"

I mean think about it. Many of us were thinking it was going to be war on Iran... but he can do that anytime, why not distract us locally first?

And now this thread!?
Sure, the source is something to be desired but the principal is there...

So yeah, a few weeks back I may have thought the same thing...
What once your presented with all this information you cant help but put it together... I mean, your mind does that automatically, it just clicks...
We know something serious is about to happen, and everyone is sitting back in their seats waiting to see what it is...

No, maybe this wont happen, but the times are changing. This isn't the 90's where we could say nothing will change... we are nearing the end... the end of the beggining of course... but change is coming...

So, I think this is completely plausable... based on the findings and happenings of the past 2 weeks alone... not to mention the decades of lies and unconstitutional laws that have been hurting the tax payers and slowly wiping out the middle class...

are you ready?


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are people on here really that oblivious to everything? why do you guys believe stuff that don't come from legit sources. what news organization is this source from? oh right it's from a website very few people have heard of. just because something is posted on a website doesn't mean its true, i know that is hard for many ats members to realize. hey guys the world is within an hour of reading this post. seriously it is going to. you have to believe it it is posted on the internet right. must be true. go ahead ats users prove me wrong. show me one website along the lines of cnn, nytimes, suntimes, etc that has this same information or even remotely close to what this article is saying.

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Shadow Lord, hou have hit the nail on the head. I'm not worried about the election(except who wins.) I'm not worried about martial law. What I am worried about are the corrupt politicians that we keep voting back into office.
How long has Robert Byrd been in office? Joe Biden has been there for 30 years. Blanche Lincoln for at least 18. Why?
When will the sheeple learn that earmarks and other special programs for every special interest group, cost them.
If the election is cancelled, it will be those idiots that we(also idiots) keep putting in office that allow it to happen.

Originally posted by nyk537
There will be an election in November. Bush will be leaving office shortly after. There is nothing going on here except wild conspiracy theory. This talk of canceling the election is some of the more "out there" talk I've ever heard.

Some people amaze me with their paranoia.

Though I can relate to what you say, what's sad is that if you truly look at tha facts there is nothing "out there" about it.

What amazes me is the naive, incoherent, blind citizens brainwashed into todays existence. Think out of the box. Have an open mind.

look at the state of our current situation which was made by our leaders. I know everyone likes to blame Bush but he's only part of the bigger picture.It's a conspiracy being executed by a majority of the people in every single agency across the world.

If you can't actually see what's been going on or have been so sheltered in life, then I'm sorry my friend but there's no hope or existence for you. You unfortunately must be a brainwashed shell of your original existence.

I am not stating this is actually going to happen although it's my personal belief because I'm open minded enough to see how it could come to be from the state of affairs we are in. whether it happens or not, the fact is we are on our path to a major event which WILL open your eyes to the reality of the "OUT THERE" events that are quickly becoming a reality.

I wish and pray for the best for you and your loved ones, but unfortunatly only the strong will survive.

reply to post by Ash101


So what will George DUBYA Bush be remembered for in say..50 years
from Now

Allowing 9/11 to happen
Going to war with 2 Countries, maybe (3 or 4) before he says goodbye
Killing Millions of People just because they hate Americans
Allowing Corporate Greed to Run Rampant and cause global Recession

Or Just remembered for the For fake War on Terror, Freedom, Democracy thing.

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All I have to say
"show me the weapons of mass destruction!"

Originally posted by Ash101
So. This is the coup the Republicans were planning all along.

When Paulson saw people weren't rolling over quickly to get f@cked in the a$$, they've moved to Plan B.

Plan B-f@ck the pretense of democracy. Let's just take power. End of story.

Not "Republicans..." Those who took over the party: The NeocoNazis. Yes, this is their plan.