Do you think the world will collapse without the US?

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


I was talking in another thread recently about what would happen to the US N/B/C aresenal if the US collapsed. What I posted there something along the lines of it being impossible for the US to collapse. As much as other countries hate us, there is no way that they would allow the US to collapse because it would be assuring their own destruction. Either we would see a rapid and unprecedented proliferation of those weapons, or more likely, we would see a military takeover. I can't see how things would be much better for the world if America was a military dictatorship.

Even if the US government collapsed, the commanders with direct control over the weapon systems would use them before they relenquished control of them.

reply to post by jackinthebox

I agree that the world cannot let the US collapse, because, as you said, it would be their death also. I was trying to emphasize how disastrous it would be, regarding that manson poster's wish on page one of this thread. It's posts like that which remind me that we still have a lot of sick ideas in the world today.

And because of that reason the US can get away with printing money out of thin air.

And the US knows this, that the world will not let her collapse. Yet, apparently the US also like to push her luck, let see how far the world want to go along. I guess it's a way America asserting (showing superiority of) herself in the world.

I'm fine by that actually. In fact it's kinda funny, hearing the likes of china screaming for new currency regime for the world.

reply to post by Jazzyguy


That's not quite accurate. The Federal Reserve Bank prints money out of thin air, while the USA itself winds up paying interest on every single "magic" dollar.

You really must watch the "Money as Debt" video.

reply to post by jackinthebox

Hmmm interesting, the way you try to separate between USA and the Federal Reserve.
If I say the world will not let the US collapse, does it mean that the world will not let just the federal reserve collapse or the entire us entity. Think about it.

reply to post by Jazzyguy


I think the world will support whoever promises to prevent chaos. Wether or not the Federal Reserve Bank collapses in name, the people who are the power behind it, will still be there when the Amero is introduced.

reply to post by jackinthebox

I see what you mean. And the new bailout plan seems to consolidate even more economic power to the hand of the US Treasury, well maybe they're moving the feds to us treasury.


Federal Reserve

The U.S. Treasury, through its Bureau of the Mint and Bureau of Engraving and Printing, actually produces the nation's cash supply; the Fed Banks then distribute it to financial institutions.

Apparently they're best friends.

No...the world would go on without us. The only HUGE difference would be that the spoiled lifestyle would be gone. Look at Africa and South America. There are still tribes living healthy and long lives, functioning just fine without the US and our money. Sure you wouldnt have the huge homes, cars, stores, and all the other stuff we rely on....but life in its purest form would continue. And I promise you one thing...only the strong survive would take on a WHOLE new meaning.

Can you imagine most of our lazy spoiled citizens trying to live without running water, toilets, microwaves, butlers, maids, SUV's, AC, HEAT, etc...hahaha...it would be interesting to see!

Collapse?

Not likely. Even a complete collapse of the United States - putting it completely out of the loop for imports and exports - would have a limited, short term impact.

India and China alone have the capacity to offset the consumption end of things. As far as production - there's not really much of anything that the USA produces these days that is not produced elsewhere.

I think we'd be looking at about a year of re-adjustment, with a bit of unemployment in certain sectors. It wouldn't be wine and roses, but it certainly would not be the end of the world.