Did US plant explosives in Marriot Hotel Islamabad

This article seems to indicate that high level CIA may have been at the hotel

Several senior officers of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) who are reported to be currently visiting Islamabad were the target of the blast at the Marriott Hotel which took place here tonight.

Well placed sources said that Marriott Hotel is usual hotel choice of the US officials and it seems that militants tipped off that certain high level US intelligence officers were currently staying at the hotel.

While no confirmation was available but Pakistan sources said it was clear that the explosion was aimed at specific targets based on a tip off

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Given the events of the past month in Pakistan and Pakistans stand against the US anything is possible here. As much as I want to believe the CIA orchestrated this tragedy it looks like they may have been victims themselves. In some dark ways thats not such a bad thing either.

brill

[edit on 21-9-2008 by brill]

First impression was that it was a usual suicide attack, but firefighters were surprised to see the rage of spreading fire and the unresponsiveness of the fire to the firefighting measures.

Experts have found that Aluminum powder was used as additive in the explosive to give the explosion its fire-accelerating quality. The fire ignited by Aluminum can not be extinguished by usual measures like water etc.

The point is that Taliban usually use crude devices and chemicals for suicide bombings.

The chemicals & expertise used in this explosion are not available to Taliban.

Then who supplied the Aluminum powder material & technology to Taliban?

Who arranged safe passage of the explosive carrier and personnel to the hotel?

US personal are exempted from search/scanning, it is known. Who else?









chaudri

reply to post by KOGDOG


U can read the same story in English, the link is provided in the third post in this thread.







chaudri

Originally posted by chaudri


Experts have found that Aluminum powder was used as additive in the explosive to give the explosion its fire-accelerating quality. The fire ignited by Aluminum can not be extinguished by usual measures like water etc.

The point is that Taliban usually use crude devices and chemicals for suicide bombings.

The chemicals & expertise used in this explosion are not available to Taliban.

Then who supplied the Aluminum powder material & technology to Taliban?

Please, its been used before , just look up the 2002 bali bombing.


From Wikki

The Mitsubishi L300 van bomb was initially thought to have consisted of C4, a military grade plastic explosive which is difficult to obtain. However, investigators discovered the bomb was made from potassium chlorate,aluminum powder and sulfur. For the Sari club bomb with the L300 van, the team assembled 12 plastic filing cabinets filled with explosives. The cabinets, each containing a potassium chlorate, aluminum powder, sulfur mixture with TNT kicker-charges, was connected by 150 meters of PETN-filled detonating cord. Ninety-four RDX electric detonators were fitted to the TNT. The total weight of the van bomb was 1.125 tons.[5] The large, high-temperature blast damage produced by this mixture was similar to a thermobaric explosive[6],although the bombers may not have known this.[7]

Nothing new to the world

ISLAMIC TERRORISTS BLEW UP THE MARRIOT.



Just like they did the khobar towers lok at the size of this crater

85 feet in dia and 35 feet deep


a truck bomb






just like they did the embassy in kenya

there is a large crater here too




or the failed 1st attempt on the WTC





Where those responsible freely admitted their responsability

Those are just a few examples

PLEASE PEOPLE YOU CANT BLAME THE US FOR EVERYTHING

Talk about sheeple



[edit on 21-9-2008 by punkinworks]

[edit on 21-9-2008 by punkinworks]

What better way to get explosives pass the check point than to dress up as US solders? It would not be the first time that trick has been used. And guess who gets the blame for it. It would be the perfect set up. Get a bunch of guys the speak perfect Engilsh and look the part and buy a bunch of uniforms off E-bay and you are all set. The set up reads just like a TV show.

reply to post by Copernicus

"while there seems to be lots of strange things going on with the US soldiers and their metal boxes being carried into the building"

Those metal boxes were obviously filled with hors dourves. Stuff like vienna sausages, etc.

notice how the building burned for hours and did not collapse on itself?

kekekek..WTC-7

Originally posted by Skipper1975
notice how the building burned for hours and did not collapse on itself?

kekekek..WTC-7

Give it time... give it time! Eventually it will liquefy.

Admiral Mullen was there last week and has since been long gone. I know because my friend travels with him. The boxes that were with him are for his protection. Guns and other equipment or just food that wont make him sick lol, They took them with them when they left.

As usual someone wants to blame this on the U.S. witch is completely wrong.

I think that since the truck is not show exploding then you can bet it was the Pakistani Intel people involved as they would not want to kill Mullen because they know the U.S. would bring the pain down on them. Why did not AQ or the Teliban hit when he was there? Because the Pakistanis did not want them too.

Obviously it was a security camera that would record everything to a localized place so why are the Pakistanis not showing the explosion? I think the first bomb fizzled and another truck was drove in to finish the job or a weapon was fired at it to make it explode. The Pakistanis are saying that the truck was filled with IEDs, Is that to cover the fact that they shot a RPG at it?

Originally posted by Skipper1975
notice how the building burned for hours and did not collapse on itself?

kekekek..WTC-7

Notice how a plane did not crash into the building at 600mph. Notice how the building is made of concrete and the bomb exploded 50 yards or more away?

kekekekekeke

Military grade RDX and TNT was used in this explosion. In addition to the high quality explosive, mortar bombs and artillery rounds were also used.


Is there a military source for the materials used for the blast?

The area of FATA is enclosed by Pakistan and Afghanistan occupied by USA/NATO. Both sides are allied and at war with Taliban/AQ.

The War on Terror continues since 2001, to cut the supply lines of enemy is the most important to weaken the enemy, Allies must have done that.
Satellite and areal monitoring is routine practice of the forces in Afghanistan.

Taliban /AQ donot have safe routes for suppl as strict ground, satellite and areal monitoring is practiced by the Allied forces.

Taliban/AQ donot have any manufacturing facilities either.

Who supplies them?

The sophistication of material and the bombers unrestricted penetration into the high security zone raises many questions.

Is Pakistan Army supplying the explosives...............
To target Pakistan? IMPOSSIBLE

Is US/NATO the supplier?

Are their elements in the Afghan setup that could supply to revenge Indian Embassy bombing in Kabul?

Is it arrangement by Indian RAW to revenge recent series of bombings in Delhi?









chaudri

reply to post by chaudri


You raise some intersting issues which certainly need answering, just one thing;

Is Pakistan Army supplying the explosives...............
To target Pakistan? IMPOSSIBLE

Why is it impossible that Pakistan armed forces supplied the explosives when you expect us to suspect every other possible scenario?
It is generally accepted that there are elements within Pakistan's armed and security forces which are sympathetic to Al-Qaeda / Taliban and have provided support for them in the past.

First of all, it is entirely possible that someone inside the Pakistani Gov't (i.e. Intelligence, Military, etc...) supplied explosives or other help to Al Qaeda or the Taliban. The people that claim it couldn't happen are the same people that claim that's exactly what happened on 9/11 within the US gov't. What's good for the goose is good for the gander baby!

Secondly, to assume that terrorist or "Islamist Fundamentalists" are stupid or don't have the ability to create high yield explosives is ignorant. A "mujaheddin soldier" or suicide bomber may not be the smartest guy in the world but they don't have to be..."go here, stand there, push this button...BOOOOOOMM!" Doesn't take a genius. But many terrorists are highly intelligent and resourceful. Many are college educated. Some even educated in the US or Europe.

Now I'm not saying it couldn't be the US in this case either I'm just saying.

--Apex

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by chaudri
Is the story true? Were explosives planted there intentionally?

They were planted but not by the United States.
Pakistan can't control it's own radicals and it's own fundamentalists.
They are blaming the USA so that people in Pakistan won't look at
their own mess of a country.

It's pretty basic psychology. Very see through.

That may all be true but why does the US just have so much bad luck. They just happen to compromise the security of the exact place that got bombed. Man, the only thing I can think of worse than that would be to have several hijacking drills going on on the morning of sept 11, 2001.

Know what I mean? Ok so the US did not plant those bombs. But the what were they doing? Why were they subverting security and why were they being secretive to the people there?

Originally posted by Sky watcher
Admiral Mullen was there last week and has since been long gone. I know because my friend travels with him. The boxes that were with him are for his protection. Guns and other equipment or just food that wont make him sick lol, They took them with them when they left.

You want us to believe that your friend travels with Admiral Mullen and tells you sensitive details about his security arrangements. If true then your friend is in some serious trouble.

If the US planted explosives in the hotel, there would be no more hotel.

If the US dropped a JDam on the hotel, then there would be no more hotel.

If the US sent a truck bomb in to destroy the hotel, then there would be no more hotel.

If there is one thing the US is good at, it's blowing things up.

Just look at the film of the WTC.

This was amateur night. They had the explosives but not the control.

Just when WILL you Americans stop blaming your government for everything that happens?

Incidentally, it don't really matter to me WHAT you think, as I'm English.

But it seems to me that every attack is blamed on the government in one way or another.

I'm pretty sure that the mad mullahs must be wetting themselves with laughter at how a 'nation is divided against itself'.

This only goes to serve their purpose.

You are helping them to destroy you from within, in my opinion. And you won't wake up to the real threat until the 'dirty bombs' start exploding in your cities.

Just my opinion.

[edit on 22-9-2008 by Old Man]

reply to post by DraconianKing


As for the news Mr Mullen was not scheduled to visit or stay in the Marriot.

Mr Mullen was in Islamabad in the day time of Wednesday, the boxes were being carried into the hotel in the evening of that day, by that time the general had left Pakistan.

Were they arranging for his future visit to the Marriot Hotel after reconstruction of the destroyed hotel????








Chaudri

Originally posted by Old Man
Just when WILL you Americans stop blaming your government for everything that happens?

Incidentally, it don't really matter to me WHAT you think, as I'm English.

But it seems to me that every attack is blamed on the government in one way or another.

I'm pretty sure that the mad mullahs must be wetting themselves with laughter at how a 'nation is divided against itself'.

This only goes to serve their purpose.

You are helping them to destroy you from within, in my opinion. And you won't wake up to the real threat until the 'dirty bombs' start exploding in your cities.

Just my opinion.

[edit on 22-9-2008 by Old Man]

Some 5-6 years ago som AQ chief announced that cyber-jihad against the west, and america had started.

To me that sounds likely as jew hate and anti American feelings has exploded on message boards and internet societies.

I'm a regular reader of ATS and posting this from an Internet cafe. I'm stationed at the embassy and this is our first opportunity to venture into the city after the bomb at the Marriott. Several others stationed here are suspicious of what appeared to have been an intense op that began late Saturday. The OCC here is not necessarily out of the way, and it was very active with people clearly orchestrating an op. OCC remains active, but not as much as it was Saturday and Sunday, before the bomb blast. The implications of this information may indicate this op was designed to generate sympathy and support for U.S. incursions targeting AQ.