Roswell............not a chance

I honestly and truely believe that there is life within our galaxy and even in our solar system, even if it is micro organism's.

When i comes to ufo's and aliens, i for one do believe that intellegent life knows of our planet and what lifes populates it.

But what i do find hard to believe is that extra-galatic travelers decided to pay a visit to our humble home world and then crash land... now if they had come to have a look, even if they traveled from the nearest star there technology would be so far far advanced and 100's of years ahead of ours that they would of done every possibe calculation and research about our planet and its dangers ie atmosphere, satalites and other space debris. So Roswell and area 51 wher the stuff is 'stored' just doesn't seem right and could never of happened, there is no way they traveled all that way managing to navigate the dangeous of space just to crash into a small planet which luckily had life on it to find the crash site....does anyone share this view or is it just me???



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Area 51 is a US military base that is confirmed to exist. What crash site are you talking about?

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Ah my apologies, mixed my words right up, i ment rosswell, was watching a video at the time

OK I'm not saying they are crashed alien craft, but even if you have super dupper technology, who's to say they never had a hung over hafwit service the damn thing.

Who says that they travelled millions of miles maybe other planets in our galaxy supported life in the past say like mars and they travelled over to have a look when they was developing much like we have done today.

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Ah i like it, you be onto something there ha

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Okay. It's a totaly speculative issue for the vast majority as of this day, but here's my take on Roswell.

It's pretty well known by now that the Russians seemed to have a slightly more open mind about UFO's in the 1940's. No doubt, the world was suddenly awakening to a strange era of unexplained sightings in the skies. It is generaly believed that the Russians took these sightings more seriously and persued them more vigorously. (At least publicly).

So to me, Occam's razor seems to slice it as follows....

America knew the Russians put a suprising amount of effort into the UFO phenomenon. America knew Russia had high, high hopes of capturing one and figuring it out. America knew that Russia thought that there very well could be a huge edvancement in science and technology with such a capture. They did after all, have constant agents working in each others agencies. And America likely felt the same way, but Russia seemed to publicaly 'want' it more.

So the US government decided to convince the Russian that America had found one. With the supposed super high tech state of the UFO's, assuming that they could be from another planet and not simply earth phenomenon, it is far more believable a story, that one simply crashed and was recovered at least semi-intact, than one being captured using the (then inferior), technology of the day.

You need witnesses. Rather than convince, pay or threaten citizens into agreeing to a fabricated story, it is much easier, more reliable and even more believable to simply fool them into believing that a "saucer" had crashed.

So, I belive the USAF built a small disk like craft and either dropped it from a high altitude plane or fly it like a 'dumb' missile, on rocket power, to the Roswell ranch (open field) where it was found. It was suposed to crash in a target area and be left for locals to find. There is no way then, that the story would not get out. Especially with all the 'flying saucer' hype around the world in the 40's.

Once the story gets out the military goes in, secures the area hauls off all the wreckage and lets the mystery of the goings on build, bubble and boil.
Then they come out with an intentionally silly and unbelievable cover story about a weather balloon and 'hush' anyone they can to further add intrigue.

Then all they have to do is leave it alone. Let the story fade as it will, with no new info. And passively build more suspision by denying it ever even happened in the first place, knowing very well that locals will claim otherwise and due to an innate human tendancy to be suspicious of the ones in charge, the "truth movement" will spread. Maybe, even all the way to Russia.

The Russians would have to wonder if the story is true. They would also have to wonder what the Americans now have, in the event that the story is true. The plan is further aided by the fact that a very, very small number of military personell would be needed, with the right resources (which they definitely had), to pull off such a massive disinformation camaign. This makes it less likely to be truthfully found out by Russian spies. And in the event a Russian spy did catch a sniff of this being the case, the spin is easily managed to counter the "true claim" and re-muddy the waters over the issue.

This is my opinion because I think it fits perfectly with both human nature/psychology and the rulles of Occam's razor, which pertain to the same. We must remember, the cold war was very much a psychological war. They fought it in each others heads.

I do believe they're out there, though. I believe they may even be here. But I personaly do not believe they were there. Mostly for the reasons you pointed out in your origional post. Just my 2 cents. Peace.

-Static Sky




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I know someone personally who saw bodies and wreckage. So I have to disagree with you. not at Roswell but at White Sands immediately afterward.

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On October 10, 1998, Edgar Mitchell stated to The People, London:

"Make no mistake, Roswell happened. I've seen secret files which show the government knew about it, but decided not to tell the public. There were very good security reasons for not informing the public about Roswell. Quite simply, we wouldn't have known how to deal with the technology of intelligent beings advanced enough to send a craft to Earth. The world would have panicked if we'd known aliens were visiting us."

ufologie.net...



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Thank you for that. It seems though no matter how credible the witness is, some people will never accept the truth.

We have had lightbulbs for a very long time now, but you can still buy one that burns out the first time.

We have had cars for a long time now, but they still brake down.

We have had clothes for a very very long time now, but there are still clothes made incorrectly...by machines I might add......

.....see where I'm going with this? It doesn't matter how advanced the technology is, there will still always be probelms.

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It just happened to break down on earth, just by chance the only planet in our solar system with intelligent life 'that we know of'. But you could be right

Originally posted by Static Sky
reply to post by andromeda2.5

 

America knew that Russia thought that there very well could be a huge edvancement in science and technology with such a capture. They did after all, have constant agents working in each others agencies.

So the US government decided to convince the Russian that America had found one.

Then all they have to do is leave it alone. Let the story fade as it will, with no new info.

The Russians would have to wonder if the story is true. They would also have to wonder what the Americans now have
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To me that sounds conflicting, Why would the US make up a story to fool the Russians if the Russians had spies in the U.S.? That would be a painful waist of time!

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The Russians didn't have spies in the small circle of USAF personell that was needed to perpetuate the story. America would definitely gain by having the Russians believe the story was true.

Please understand, even if you run an ultra secret organization and you suspect there may be a spy in your ranks, it's mostly a problem if you don't know who it is. Once you know who it is, it could actually be DISadventagous to expose them and cut them out. It could be far more usefull to watch them and feed them disinformation, which they return to their countries, thus aiding the illusion.

Originally posted by umbr45
We have had lightbulbs for a very long time now, but you can still buy one that burns out the first time.

We have had cars for a long time now, but they still brake down.

We have had clothes for a very very long time now, but there are still clothes made incorrectly...by machines I might add......

.....see where I'm going with this? It doesn't matter how advanced the technology is, there will still always be probelms.

Excellent point! Btw your sig cracks me up, you can't argue that logic. Well.. you could but the discussion would never end.

Originally posted by andromeda2.5
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It just happened to break down on earth, just by chance the only planet in our solar system with intelligent life 'that we know of'. But you could be right

We don't know if there are any on other planets due to the fact that nobody lives there. (As far as we know).

And thanks NephraTari

Originally posted by andromeda2.5
But what i do find hard to believe is that extra-galatic travelers decided to pay a visit to our humble home world and then crash land...

It wasn't a 'crash' they got taken out by an intense radar beam,'deliberate'? or 'accident'? Unknown

even if they traveled from the nearest star there technology would be so far far advanced and 100's of years ahead of ours

Why would it have to be 100's of years ahead? Tesla had the answers 100 years ago... and even if you don't believe we already have the tech, its only a small advance from what we currently DO have in the 'public' knowledge

And besides maybe some troglodytes stole an unattended parked saucer with the engine running...

Its EASY to fly an airplane... its the landing that's the tricky part

does anyone share this view or is it just me???

Just you

your right on.. there is another fella.. with a thread in here.. that said he was at 12 different crash sights.. but he cant tell us any facts about it... its to dangerous for him.. i know its just bunk... its like you said... they can travel millions and millions of miles.. but cant seem to navigate over the united states.. with out crashing all over the place.. and of course they only crash in isolated areas..where only the militairy can get at them.. no one else sees these crash sites.

I think it is likely that many of the crashes were "induced..." Missiles, frequency generators, what have you.

So the question of why they "just happened" to crash on this planet can be answered.

To the OP, have you read The Terra Papers? I may sound like a broken record to some here, but I wanted to offer that for consideration. They are linked in my sig.

Just so you know, in The Terra Papers have one element that will remind you of Star Wars. The Papers PREDATE Star Wars, so this was not a rip-off. Just be aware.

Enjoy.

Originally posted by philjwolf
your right on.. there is another fella.. with a thread in here.. that said he was at 12 different crash sights.. but he cant tell us any facts about it... its to dangerous for him.. i know its just bunk... its like you said... they can travel millions and millions of miles.. but cant seem to navigate over the united states.. with out crashing all over the place.. and of course they only crash in isolated areas..where only the militairy can get at them.. no one else sees these crash sites.

Ummmmm you do know in the Roswell incident that the saucer crashed at Mac Brazel's backyard. It wasn't found by the military... it was found by a civilian. It was 1947.... not 2007.

Anyway how is that "proof"... because they can travel millions of miles and can't navigate over the United States??? that's your proof? Well guess what.... I can jump in a plane and fly all over the world!!!! and never crash... yet jump on my push bike and get hit crossing the road. It's the same anology.... a crap one.