Computer terror teenager jailed

Computer terror teenager jailed

news.bbc.co.uk

The youngest person in Britain to have been convicted under the Terrorism Act has been sentenced to two years in a young offenders' institution.

Sentencing him at the Old Bailey, Judge Timothy Pontius said Munshi "fell under the spell of fanatical extremists".

"There is no doubt that you knew what you were doing," the judge told him.

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Well.....Two years.

Is that enough?
Some people my say no; some may say that at 16 years old he was still very impressionable, and may not have realised the possible implications of his actions.



news.bbc.co.uk
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I honestly don't mean to sound "harsh" but I knew the implications of "Right and Wrong" and "blowing people up" when I was like... 6, or 7.

I think at 16yrs old even though he would have only been 9 when this whole thing started (publically with 9/11 etc) he should have known the implications his actions could/would have... ALTHOUGH if he'd been radicalized from that time onwards maybe there was no getting away from it.

Originally posted by A55A551N
I honestly don't mean to sound "harsh" but I knew the implications of "Right and Wrong" and "blowing people up" when I was like... 6, or 7.

I totally agree, unless he is mentaly retarded he MUST have known exacty what he was doing.
Personally I would've liked to seen a far longer sentence.

reply to post by Jibbs


It's not very hard to brainwash a kid.. Especially with religion and stuff in the mix.
The kid was a WEAPON. I'm sure that if after 2 years he isnt changed he wont be released. There is always the "Hold till 18" option on the table.

16 is definitely old enough to know the scope of your actions.

When I was young and foolish, I used to run around with the best of them in the computer underground scene. At thirteen years old I had friends or was a member in groups like tK (total kaos) before they became gH (global hell), team spl0it, and dead protocol society. These were people my age, maybe a little older but very few over the age of eighteen who were hacking into high profile servers. These were servers that should have had the best security in the world, being cracked by kids. I knew many of the people who were arrested for the whitehouse.gov hack a while back, and a very close friend of mine was arrested for playing around with military and government systems. I was luckilly too young to get in trouble back then.

These were kids doing these things. If I could do things like that when I was thirteen, imagine what someone who really wanted to do some damage could do.

Now, as a terrorist wanting to get kids to do their bidding for them, its almost too simple. Have someone write the code, send it to their favorite little kiddie and tell them to run it. With all the instructions pretty much included as shellcode and all the information such as target, port, service, and so on, could all be predefined variables in the code. The kid might think hes running a program when in reality he just broke into a government system, uploaded the data to a offshore ftp, and wiped the logs clean - all of that concealed inside the program.

If I decided to write a neat little perl script that exploits a known vulnerability in a server, I'm 100% sure I could teach my three year old nephew how to run it.

this is just plain sick, and yet another sign of britain becoming a police state!

woudl he have been jailed for this if he Wasnt of asian decent? i doubt it.

fact is, i had info to make napalm, light bulb bombs, ... hell, even fertalizer bombs when i was 12, before i even had a computer.. i never had this for any reason, it was passed about teh playground !!. most internet typs will know of this book im talking about called "the jolly roger cook book", their is also teh anarchists cookbook.

for the record (to all the spooks who live here), i dont have any of these any more, as their just childish and pointless!

i dont see why having things that say how to make stuff automaticly makes him a terrorist!! its complete sensasionalist bullcrap and makes me hate this country even more!

[edit on 19-9-2008 by boaby_phet]

youth detention centers like that are like "crime schools". he will get out in 2 years with all kinds of new ideas. he will also have a new set of "friends" that he met while they were locked-up. we will hear more from him in a few years. mark my words!! !! !!

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Did you read the entire news report though? I'm just asking this isn't an attack on you at all, I promise. I'm sorry if it comes across as such.

But here's what I got from it.

His family backed the sentence, but said the case showed how easily a teenager could be groomed.

Therefore his own family had no doubts he was guilty of the charges...

Munshi was convicted last month of making a record of information likely to be used for terrorist purposes, but cleared of possessing terrorist material.

They had evidence that he was in possession of information... Now, if this were when you had your Jolly Roger/Anarchists cookbook, I doubt he would have been in any trouble. I've had those both on my P.C for the past 9yrs and no I don't have them anymore, whatsoever.

But if he'd been white and they had somehow found this information on his P.C yes, he would have been done for it; how can I say this without doubt? Because a white male was arrested about 6-8 months ago for pretty much the exact same reason.

During his trial at Blackfriars Crown Court, the jury heard that he had spent many hours viewing jihadist websites and had downloaded guides to making napalm, detonators and explosives.

Of course there's a big difference in innocently as a kid checking out the J.R.C.B or A.C.B and actually frequenting Jihadist websites and looking at bomb making materials.

This kid did nothing other than follow blindly his own or his recruits own beleives what is right. Just like any other government does to recruit youngsters into the army. The only problem is, he's in the wrong country, like not his own. I'd say after his release he'll go there where he thinks he really belongs to and continues for what he thinks he's destined for.

I find it hard to believe that Munshi is 16 years old.

Some news sources are reporting him as 18 years old and from the looks of his photos he's somewhere in his mid-20's.

See photo here: www.thesun.co.uk...


Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind....

I find it amazing that you can goto jail for 2 years for simply
possessing information. I think thats about as retarded as it gets.
This equates to precrime. You coulda done it so off to jail you go.

I guess Ill be careful what I google, learning is such a
horrible thing. I mean this does look like he was being groomed but I
dont see how any laws were broken. Just how some kid went to
jail because he wanted to know how to make napalm. Hell Ive heard
the recipe spoken outloud like 100 times over my life time by random people.

They know how to make it why dont they goto jail?

Unless Im missing something this entire prosecution was a load of BS.

Knowledge evidentally is bad.

I mean it would be another story if they found a lab in his house with
him making stuff. But jail for reading? Omg we have reached a climax
in retardation here.


[edit on 19-9-2008 by Memysabu]

Is it actually illegal to have information about making dangerous things?

Where does it start and end?

You can find an article to make high-quality wooden bokken (swords) or bows/crossbows on instructables.com...

Plenty of Youtube videos show how to make your own one-shot firearms...

Is it only against the law when you possess information about gunpowder or explosives? Last I had heard, it was legal to buy "The Anarchist's Cookbook".

Dang...Ive got guides to making napalm and all kinds of other stuff on my computer... I guess its a good thing I don't live in Britain.

But wait. What you you had military guides. Like the improvised explosive manuals. If there was nothing saying he planned the blow people up whats the big deal

[edit on 20-9-2008 by DalairTheGreat]

Originally posted by Yarcofin
Is it actually illegal to have information about making dangerous things?

Where does it start and end?

You can find an article to make high-quality wooden bokken (swords) or bows/crossbows on instructables.com...

Plenty of Youtube videos show how to make your own one-shot firearms...

Is it only against the law when you possess information about gunpowder or explosives? Last I had heard, it was legal to buy "The Anarchist's Cookbook".

My thoughts exactly, I mean it takes 3 house hold chemicals to make napalm and Ive never wanted to make it. I wanted to buy the anarchists cookbook just for a collectable. Never to use it. I mean this stuffs for sale.
Whats next someone purchases a book legally for sale and they goto jail?

I guess you're breaking the law if you read a bleach or ammonia bottle...

All bleach containers and most household cleaners state "Do not mix with ammonia, may create a cloud of poisonous gas" and vice versa. Everyone in America has instructions and materials for making dangerous weapons under their sinks and in their garages

How much gasoline are you allowed to store before it becomes suspcious?

The list goes on and on...

A sponge or plastic spoon can be a weapon if someone was really desperate ffs.