Sun Alignment - Centre of Galaxy

this already happened 26 thousand years ago people survived. we are more educated and more prepared. im not even sure if anything will happen that will effect us. i found a website which talked about cavemen drawing on caves what appear to be aurora lights in places where aurora lights usually don't happen. they are dated to be around 26k years old. so maybe we will just get a fancy light show.

don't worry about something that might happen in 4 years worry about the fact that martial law could kick in as early as next week if wall street collapses. good luck to everyone.

Originally posted by Incarnated

Our solarsystem is also in a cycle. The cycle of the spiral arm that our system is in. This is a tube vortex. It makes our solarsystem go round and round and round. This is the cycle that takes about 26000 years.

If you're really talking about the orbit of the Solar System within the Milky Way, you are a bit off. That cycle lasts in neighborhood of 250 million years.

I'm sure a major flood with occur...


Thanks guys.

Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by Incarnated

Our solarsystem is also in a cycle. The cycle of the spiral arm that our system is in. This is a tube vortex. It makes our solarsystem go round and round and round. This is the cycle that takes about 26000 years.

If you're really talking about the orbit of the Solar System within the Milky Way, you are a bit off. That cycle lasts in neighborhood of 250 million years.

This is a perfect example of people reading what they wish to see and not what is right there to see.

Everyone knows by pictures that our solarsystem is in our galaxy. Everyone knows by pictures that our galaxy has spiral arms. No real pictures exist of our solarsystem within the vortex of an arm thus people have a hard time seeing this. Or so it seems.

I'm saying that our galaxy has spiral arms. This is a scientific assumption near to fact. Our solarsystem is in a lesser spiral arm. It's that spiral arm that is the vortex that cycles our solarsystem up and down as we go around and round. That's the process, the cycle, that takes about 26000 years.

I don't know how much clearer I can write it. What do I have to do draw you a picture?

Originally posted by N. Tesla
this already happened 26 thousand years ago people survived.

This is very true! In fact it happened 13000 years ago, and people surived. By using the term "The End of the World", only dimwitted people assume it means the end of human life or the planet. A "World" isn't a planet, it is the kingdom and nationalistic structure on a planet made by men. A "World Map" isn't the geography of our planet it is the drawn lines and bounderies that seperate one nation from another.

Our Planet has had several "Worlds" upon the landmasses, so says more then a couple of ancient cultures. These worlds end in a cycled event that is coming back around in our lifetime.

Sure people will survive. That's the point of the event, people do but world's don't. It's the reworking of the world that follows that is the birth of the new world.

Originally posted by Incarnated

Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by Incarnated

Our solarsystem is also in a cycle. The cycle of the spiral arm that our system is in. This is a tube vortex. It makes our solarsystem go round and round and round. This is the cycle that takes about 26000 years.

If you're really talking about the orbit of the Solar System within the Milky Way, you are a bit off. That cycle lasts in neighborhood of 250 million years.

This is a perfect example of people reading what they wish to see and not what is right there to see.

No.

This is a perfect example of someone reading what is written. Your original post left out the up and down part. That's why I wrote, "If you're really talking about the orbit of the Solar System...".

Orbit: round and round, 250 million years
Oscillation: up and down, 26 thousand years

Thanks for clearing it up. I still say nothing noticeable will happen.

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Originally posted by xbranscombex
I'm sure a major flood with occur...

According to prophecy backed up with curent scientific data and historic understandings this is what's suposed to happen. This is just a rough draft of how events will play out.

We've already seen but starting mid 2009 the global natural events, such as giant storms, earthquake and other natual phenomenon, are suposed to increase dramatically. It's about this time when the "anti-christ" (nostradamus's 3rd antichrist) takes power. At first he's going to be a very enigmatic speaker that talks about a new nationilistic leadership. This should be in or abouts the middle east. Quickly other nations will join forces with the antichrist. so that by the end of 2010 and beginning of 2011 pressure to fall into the new global leadership will be on the brink of World Wide warfare.

There are several other events, a global pole shift with assiciated historic solar maximum cycles will fry about 1/3 of the earth around about the 2012 marker. Many of the manmade satlites will fall to earth because of the fluxes in the megnetic field of the earth. This might even include the international space station. There may also be a large rock that falls upon the planet speeding up the pole shifting process.

There's a quick and limited nuclear warfare. There's bio/chemical warfare agents released mostlikely by acident but maybe also through warfare.

Again this is not a personal prophecy, but my best guess reading of events to happen.

It all goes down like a chain reaction.

Have a good day.

Originally posted by Phage
Orbit: round and round, 250 million years
Oscillation: up and down, 26 thousand years

It is an assumed Oscillation. However closer examination of knowns shows that only thing that can cause an Oscillation is a spiral arm vortex. So we are going round and round, sideways perhaps, but it is still round instead of just up and down. In space, there is no up or down.

Cycle circles happen at every known angle.

So as it is a spiraling vortex arm off the center of our galaxy, assuming you understand what I'm saying here, would that vortex be an Oscillation, Orbit or something else. As it's going around like an Orbit, but it isn't Orbiting anything. The force of gravety pulls the solarsystem around and around and we go up and we go down. It can be viewed as a wave but it isn't.

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The coincidence of the Earth's precessional cycle (26,000 years) matching the harmonic oscillation of the sun relative to the galactic plane was a little too much for me. I also had a hard time believing that anything having to do with something as huge as The Galaxy could take such a short time. I dug around a bit.

The only period I can find (in several sources) is that the sun completes 2.7 of these vertical harmonic oscillations (there is also a horizontal motion) in each orbit around The Galaxy. This works out to a complete up and down cycle lasting about 83 million years. There is room for a lot of error in these numbers but in any case the period of this up and down cycle is on the order of scores of millions of years.

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look i am willing to bet anyone my life savings that the world will not end... in 2012. the fact that people believe in this so called "end" is just stupid. the Mayan calendar is ending yes. but ours end every year. maybe they will just flip the page and go right into the next set of 26k years. maybe that's what they were counting. you are forgetting that they were the worlds first real astronomers.

they looked up into the sky and knew what was happening. the simple fact is that we base our calender on Jesus and they base it on the galaxy. stop panicking and realize that nowhere in any known confirmed text is there that anything life threatening will happen in 2012.

stop being ignorant and for once accept the fact that things you read on the internet or watch on tv is not true. use common sense and do some real research. don't base your arguments on some non-credible source and an old calender that has probably been misinterpret.

What will happen?

I don't know, a slight realignment of the earths Axis preceeded by a slow drift in the earths magnetic field which moves to the proper position prior to the actual planetary axis change, accompanied by strain within the Earth, slightly rising temperatures (global warming) increased vulcanism, strange weather patterns, increased storms and other odd phenomena ending with a slight change in tilt and Aurora being seen all over the world.


Damn... I guess what happens... Is what has been happening for the last century and accelerating for the previous 15 years... OMG

How can you line up with the center of the galaxy when we're near the outer rim.. am I not getting something here...

Well this is what Project Camelot said they were told by a famous scientist that Richard Hoagland would know, was that first a solar flare (or many possibly by 2009-2010), that could even in effect be a kill shot. Followed by quick magnetic pole reversal, and lastly crustal displacement. It could be as devastating as planet x itself.



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I am copying my answer to this question from another thread asking what will happen and if Denver, CO was a safe place to ride it out:

"We know from the geological record that this has happened before. Also, we know that land masses have moved more than the spread of pangea can account for. For example, Alaska was once tropical. That is how the oil reserves were created, they are the remnants of a tropical rainforest. If it was just the spread of Pangea, it would have been farther north, and not equatorial.

The earth's crust is just floating on a liquid ocean of molten rock. My research leads me to believe that it is the magnetic component that keeps it in place. On 12/21/12 our sun will be in line with the massive black hole in the center of our galaxy. This occurs once every 26,000 years. Our sun will also be at peak sunspot activity, with massive polarization fluxuations. These events combined could very well cause the earth's crust to shift.

No one is talking about the effects that the massive amount of electricity we generate has on the earth's magnetic field, but I believe this will affect where the crust moves. The United States generates over 3.6 trillion kwh of electicity per year, more than any other country in the world. These factors combined might very well cause the United States to become the new north pole!

I'm not one to give too much credence to any one prophet or prophecy, but too many are coming into line with this date. The end of the Mayan Calendar cycle, the I-Ching, the prediction of this being the last Pope (I can't remember the womans name, but she was around during Edgar Cayce's time), Greek and Roman Oracles, and now the Web-Bot Project (www.peoplenomics.com). Our rational minds want to dismiss anything we can't comprehend, but that does not make such things impossible!

I don't think that the tetonic plates will rise and fall, but massive earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanic eruptions will occur if this happens. It will also not happen instantly, a day or two minimum. Massive loss of life will occur, but we will survive as a species. How much of our civilization's advances will be lost is entirely up to those who believe and prepare!

Denver is not a good choice to ride it out as it will be in the new artic. If this theory is correct, then Australia and Western Africa (not coastal regions due to the possible 200 foot tsunamis) will be the safest due to lack of proximity to fault lines and volcanoes and that if the crust does move the United States to the north pole, these would be near the pivot points on the globe with the least movement. Regretfully, the exact pivot points will be in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

This hypothesis is based in science, not new age mumbo jumbo, such as the "return of planet Nabiro" crap. Let's face it, we live in a very chaotic, dynamic and violent universe. Nothing lasts forever. Change is the one constant in the universe."

If you would like to check out the thread that this post came from, just click:

2012 Pole Shift survival guide

I don't understand why people choose to believe the more fanatical and glorified explanation of the Mayan Calendar than what it actually represents.

Ignorance is Bliss?

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The Mayan calendar is only one piece of a much larger puzzle.

Originally posted by Masisoar
I don't understand why people choose to believe the more fanatical and glorified explanation of the Mayan Calendar than what it actually represents.

Ignorance is Bliss?

There are so many permutations about what, and how, and why things are going to happen on that fateful day that I tried to setup a multiple choice quiz about all the things that are supposed to happen and what is going to cause them, all the real and scientific explanations. I got bored so instead it's just: a) something really, really bad is going to happen or b) something really, really bad is going to happen but all the good people will be OK and the Earth will be a better place when it's over.

But why? a) To sell a book, b) to get easy access to nubile followers, c) to get access to any followers at all, d) to just scare the bejezus out of people for the hell of it.


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Its not really a question of believing, since this happens only once in 26,000 years, and since there is some evidence that catastrophes happen repeatedly throughout history, its more a question of lining up as many possible answers that cover all possibilities. If the worse case scenario is the correct one, then the signs of this gravitational pull on us will become evident more and more. I don't think we can miss it. No one in the public knows about the existence of planet x or if and when a second sun will show up, but this is a very real, rare phenomenon that will occur shortly that has been recorded in the amazing galactic calendar left by the mayans.

www.aztlan.net...

t is very difficult to dismiss the Mayan Cosmology because they left extraordinary evidence that their "Time" keeping methodologies give extremely accurate results. Their pyramids like the one at Chichen-Itza in Mexico are precisely aligned to the the yearly Solstices and the Equinoxes that are caused by the precession of the Earth's axis as it orbits the Sun. The Pyramid of Kukulcan at Chichen-Itza is essentially a superb and highly accurate Time keeping devise that never fails to mark the yearly "Precession of the Equinoxes".

The ancient Mayan astronomers accurately predicted, over 1500 years ago, the exact alignment of the Earth, the Sun, the star cluster Pleiades and of the center of our Galaxy that will take place at the end of the present long cycle on the Gregorian year 2012. On the Mayan Long Calendar the day designated as 4 Ahau 3 Kankin (13.0.0.0.0) falls on December 21, 2012 and this day will mark "El Fin de los Tiempos" or the end of the long cycle at which time humanity will experience a new beginning. On this day, according to the Mayas and subsequent Meso-American civilizations, the return of Kukulcan (Quetzalcoatl) will take place.

and

www.ourultimatereality.com...

Over the course of 25,800 years or so the trajectory of Earth takes us above and then below the plane of Galactic Centre and therefore the gravitational Energy influence of the super-massive black hole at its centre, in a long but precise oscillation that can be observed and measured as the Maya indeed did. This was also described by Plato and is therefore known as the "Platonic year"....

Indirect consequences could be the effect on the Sun which will increase its activity in response to the Energy radiating from the super-massive black hole. We are already increasingly seeing this manifest in the form of increasing solar activity, and in particular sun spots, solar flares and most dangerous of all coronal mass ejections. If Earth were to receive a broadside from a coronal mass ejection, the outcome would be absolutely devastating.

Locally, as Earth transitions into alignment with Galactic Centre and the super-massive black hole Energy radiating from there, the axis of rotation of Earth could well be "pulled" into alignment with the plane of the Energy, resulting in a geophysical pole shift of the 23.5 degrees mentioned previously. Again, the outcome of such an event could well be catastrophic giving rise to, including but not limited to massive land movements, volcanic activity, massive tsunamis hundreds or even thousands of feet high and much more. I believe that this geophysical pole shift has already started, and accounts for many of the abnormal weather conditions increasingly being experienced. ...


The only possible explanation, and one which would account for the actual extinction of the Siberian Mammoth is that they were literally deep-frozen in situ where they stood, and subsequently became buried deep within the ice. The most likely explanation for this, especially in the context of the other factors discussed earlier, is that the Earth very suddenly shifted about its polar axis, effectively shifting the area where the Mammoth were grazing much further north - and event that probably took place within hours, accounting for the perfect preservation of the Mammoth remains.

It is highly likely that this "pulling" of the Earth plus and minus 23.5 degrees on its axis, as it oscillates above and below the Galactic Plane of the super-massive black hole has happened countless times in the past, and will continue to happen in the future with immutable frequency. It is clear from all the evidence that these events happen extremely suddenly and without warning, in the past resulting in catastrophic loss of life and entire civilisations, the evidence and remains of which are only recently being discovered.

These pole shifts might also account for the "ice ages" North America and much of Europe periodically shift 23.5 degrees towards and away from the polar regions, thus being subjected to polar climates until the pole shift reverses allowing the ice to thaw once again. ...

So these are the worst case possibilities, or at least fears, born out by some of the disclosures. This kind of thing would be noticeable, increase in storms and anomalies should begin to occur in earnest. as many believe we have already begun the alignment.
All those underground bases that have been built have to have a significant reason, such as a severe nuclear fallout, killshots from the sun, planet x or what seems to be a part of the Mayan calendar, is the galactic center.

Originally posted by xbranscombex
Sun will align with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in 26,000 years, on the exact date of the end of the Mayan calendar, Dec. 21, 2012.

What does this even mean?

What will happen? Does it cause a gravitational pull so massive, all our poles shift?

I need an explanation.

I'm sure no one, even scientists, has a clue...

Gravity is probably the least understood force in the universe. Some even question it as an explanation to dark matter; however, as I understand it gravitational force extends in every direction equally, otherwise wouldn't it have a catastrophic effect on our orbit once a year? As far as our poles shifting, that takes place on a regular basis the sun has cycles like that as well only it's cycles are much shorter. I believe the sun's cycle is like every 11 years and the earth's is like every 1200 years but I am unsure so don't quote the timetables. I would imagine that everything that exudes magnetism and spins has polar cycles. does the universe itself spin as do the galaxies? I don't know. I have no clue what is going to happen in 2012, but I do know this, if it anything galactic in nature, I can not have any effect on it so I am going to spend my time worrying about things that can still be corrected like our government.

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Yes, the Maya made pretty accurate observations. They did know about precession as did other early civilizations.

However this statement:

Over the course of 25,800 years or so the trajectory of Earth takes us above and then below the plane of Galactic Centre and therefore the gravitational Energy influence of the super-massive black hole at its centre, in a long but precise oscillation that can be observed and measured as the Maya indeed did. This was also described by Plato and is therefore known as the "Platonic year"....

Is totally incorrect. The Platonic year is caused by precession, the wobble of the Earth's axis, not by the vertical oscillation of the solar system relative to the plane of The Galaxy. The vertical oscillation is there but the period is 60 million years or more, not 26,000. The Maya had no way of recognizing this oscillation.

Virtually all of the various stories (I won't dignify them with the word theory) so completely mess up the movements of the Earth, the Sun, and The Galaxy that it is all total nonsense. The level of astronomical ignorance (pun intended) demonstrated by these stories would be hilarious if so many people didn't just blindly believe them without doing minimal fact checking.

By the way, they are called Maya not Mayans. Mayan stuff is what was made by the Maya. They still exist and might be offended but don't feel bad, a lot of people make that mistake too.

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