LHC Hacked, and file deleted from central computer.

I'd love to see the reason that the LHC was connected to the internet.

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The hackers were stopped before they could access the Collider's central computer system, but were described by the Telegraph as being "one step away" from full control of the CMS. They deleted one as-yet publicly unidentified file -- the hacker equivalent, perhaps, of counting coup.





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I still find hard to believe all this hacking is actually going on and making it through. I personally believe it's all talk from these blogs and sites, possibly coming from people that "fear" the LHC.

If the LHC does explode (unlikely), we'll know who to blame, not the scientists, but the retards trying to hack it...if it's all true that is.

Originally posted by rocksarerocks
I'd love to see the reason that the LHC was connected to the internet.

Hooked up to networks for the people involved to analyze etc. the project.

It's just sad the lowlifes like that hacker group have nothing better to do then try to derail something historical for man...people really need to evolve and grow up.

Edit, I still believe all this hacker talk going around is BS, my opinion.

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Hooked up to networks yes, but the internet is a completely different story. Where I work our critical systems are restricted from being hooked up to the internet and exist on a totally isolated subnet.


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Originally posted by rocksarerocks
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Hooked up to networks yes, but the internet is a completely different story. Where I work our critical systems are restricted from being hooked up to the internet and exist on a totally isolated subnet.


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I'd assume (remember I'm saying assume) that the same would go for the LHC, hence why I believe this hacker talk is just that, talk. But until we know how their systems are ran, we won't know. And probably shouldn't since crap like the hacker talk may happen.

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It seems to be actual news, not a rumor. I'm not sure that it's fake. There are a lot of detailed names and things like that stated in the actual story, not to mention Wired seems like a reliable source.

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Other have suggested that is because of the enormous amounts of data being generated by the LHC and then that data has to be shared out to the various Universities and Institutions simultaneously.

That seems very very dumb. I doubt we would put something this sensative out on the internet to be hacked.

Originally posted by rocksarerocks
It seems to be actual news, not a rumor. I'm not sure that it's fake. There are a lot of detailed names and things like that stated in the actual story, not to mention Wired seems like a reliable source.

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"The hackers gained access to a website open to other scientists" hacked a network.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

The work of the scientists was not derailed and insiders scoffed at claims that the hackers were “one step away” from the systems controlling the experiment itself.

Who would you believe in this case? The scientist/insiders? Or a hack team and a few blogs/sites that seem to enjoy emphasizing doomsday?

James Gillies, a spokesman for CERN, the European Laboratory for Network Collision, home of the LHC, said: “We don’t know who they were but there seems to be no harm done. It appears to be people who want to make a point that CERN was hackable,” he added.

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Originally posted by rocksarerocks
That seems very very dumb. I doubt we would put something this sensative out on the internet to be hacked.

I work on elements of LHC computing and the hysteria in this and similar threads seems childish to me. The LHC data is not sensitive in the defense application sense of the word. And a single compromised web server of the CMS experiment (or even a dosen) does not mean the perps were close to controlling the LHC.

Well you never know. The LHC team could very easily be downplaying what actually happened. I wouldn't admit it either if I was the one responsible for whatever happened.

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Oh I agree I don't think it has anything to do with controlling it, I believe it's just the point of the importance of the project and the fact that someone was able to access the computers that are involved with it. I don't believe that someone was close to using it or anything.

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Originally posted by rocksarerocks
Well you never know. The LHC team could very easily be downplaying what actually happened.

Or laughing at some Greek kids trying to hack a Collider.

Originally posted by rocksarerocks
Well you never know. The LHC team could very easily be downplaying what actually happened. I wouldn't admit it either if I was the one responsible for whatever happened.

Again, feel free to not trust me, but I just happen to be in the loop. Security incidents do happen once in a while and they are dealt with. Nothing to really write home about.

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It's not that I believe you or don't believe you I'm just posting what I read, and I'm not sure what else to think. I agree it could be sensational.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by rocksarerocks
Well you never know. The LHC team could very easily be downplaying what actually happened. I wouldn't admit it either if I was the one responsible for whatever happened.

Again, feel free to not trust me, but I just happen to be in the loop. Security incidents do happen once in a while and they are dealt with. Nothing to really write home about.

I take your word for it because I believe they're not using Windows Firewall to protect the thing. It's a multi billion dollar project with a potential for huge advances in life and history, they're not going to cheap out of the network security.

I tend to also believe that security should be high, but please remember high security doesn't always prevent unauthorized entry. There have been high security systems hacked in the past.

Originally posted by rocksarerocks
I tend to also believe that security should be high, but please remember high security doesn't always prevent unauthorized entry. There have been high security systems hacked in the past.

Also degrees of hacking, from major system failures to a website being altered. Right now, this all seems like hype, since the site was barely hacked and the Collider barely touched. Remember, the hacker group states that they were one step away, I doubt they'd even know where in the systems they were or how close or far. Are these people you can trust? I sure as hell don't, since they have nothing better to do then attempt to be complete asses.

[edit on 16-9-2008 by Tomis_Nexis]

The Telegraph were the ones quotes as saying the hackers were one step away, as far as I can tell.

From the Telegraph:
www.telegraph.co.uk.../earth/2008/09/12/scicern312.xml&page=1

However, despite an ominous warning "don't mess with us," the hackers said they had no intention of disrupting the work of the atom smasher."

""We're pulling your pants down because we don't want to see you running around naked looking to hide yourselves when the panic comes," they wrote in Greek in a rambling note posted on the LHC's network."

" "We have several levels of network, a general access network and a much tighter network for sensitive things that operate the LHC," said Gillies.

"We are a very visible site," he said, adding that of the 1.4 million emails sent to Cern yesterday, 98 per cent was spam."

"The system the hackers managed to access was CMSMON, which monitors the CMS software system as the vast detector takes data, during collisions between particles to study the energies and physics in the immediate aftermath of the Big Bang, which created the universe.

Cern relies on a 'defence-in-depth' strategy, separating control networks and using firewalls and complex passwords, to protect its control systems from malicious software, such as denial-of-service attacks, botnets and zombie machines, which can strike with a synchronised attack from hundreds of machines around the world."

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Thanks for additional article. That helps clarify somewhat the whole issue. Good job..