Nibiru - is a space ship!!!

Why does everyone insist that Nibiru is a planet?? Couldn't it be a space ship? Couldn't the ancients misrepresent a big ass shiney spaceship in orbit as a "star" or "planet". The ancients refer/allude to the "Gods" coming to earth in their "Chariots". Shipton refers to an unknown race coming from a long cylinder. The Maya say that the gods will reappear from the dark rift, etal.

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reply to post by pityocamptes


Because Zecharia Sitchin, the guy who invented Nibiru says it's a planet.

Since he made it up, it's what he says it is.

One could also argue that Earth, or any moving celestial body is a space ship.
I mean, we are moving thru space at 65k mph. Makes ya wonder who is driving this crazy thing. The bigger question is my mind is.. does Nibiru actually exist.

a spaceship means you can steer it
you can't steer earth

Couldnt it also be a comet or astroid, or something that has tail. That was what Mother shipton says in her prophecies. I just read them and it also stated that after the dragon crosses the skies and there are people left that is when the Aliens/Ufo come back down to help us out with knowledge again. Just like before, So it starts all over again with us earthlings never knowing the truth about Ufo's. History will repeat itself again I guess.?????

He claimed that is what the ancient sumerians wrote about on the sumerian texts (clay tablets). I loved Sitchin's books. Do you think he did make it all up? It seems no one elso knows what to make of the language on the tablets.
Anyone?

Urm, whats the plutoid that many consider to be nibiru atm, i cant remember but it is real.

[edit on 11-9-2008 by monkeybus]

Sitchin says that Nibiru has an eliptical orbit. There is no way that intelligent life could evolve on the surface of a planet with an orbit like the Nibiru is suppsed to have. The only way I could conceive that it is possible is if the Anunnaki lived underground in an artificial environment. There is no way the Anunnaki could have evolved there.

Originally posted by serpentine
He claimed that is what the ancient sumerians wrote about on the sumerian texts (clay tablets). I loved Sitchin's books. Do you think he did make it all up? It seems no one elso knows what to make of the language on the tablets.
Anyone?

Well oxford university is translating it right now.. But i guess even if the stories are the same of that of sitchin, they would never release it.

reply to post by pityocamptes


it is

the annunaki came from Nibiru..according to the sumerians

nibiru=the 4th dimensional flagship of the Milky Way Galaxy’s Galactic Federation.

www.nibiruancouncil.com...#


researching the sumerians is a real eye opener...will maybe even open up your 3rd eye

Originally posted by Skipper1975

the annunaki came from Nibiru..according to the sumerians

Correction:
According to Sitchin's rather disjointed interpretation of some Sumerian texts and illustrations.

Originally posted by serpentine
He claimed that is what the ancient sumerians wrote about on the sumerian texts (clay tablets). I loved Sitchin's books. Do you think he did make it all up? It seems no one elso knows what to make of the language on the tablets.
Anyone?

Well, Oxford scholars do - etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk...
And the Oriental Institute at the University of Chicago has also done plenty of reseach on these tablets.
Amazingly, neither match Stichin's so-called translation.

So who should I believe - researchers dilligently translating and understanding these tablets OR someone who "taught" himself and wrote his books to specifically sell to the mass public. I'll go with the university translations and understandings.

Originally posted by isa75
Couldnt it also be a comet or astroid, or something that has tail. That was what Mother shipton says in her prophecies. I just read them and it also stated that after the dragon crosses the skies and there are people left that is when the Aliens/Ufo come back down to help us out with knowledge again. Just like before, So it starts all over again with us earthlings never knowing the truth about Ufo's. History will repeat itself again I guess.?????

That's what I would presume it to be if it does in fact exist.
Some kind of kupier belt object launched towards the sun then turned into a huge asteroid moving quickly.

Originally posted by mcmartinson

Originally posted by serpentine
He claimed that is what the ancient sumerians wrote about on the sumerian texts (clay tablets). I loved Sitchin's books. Do you think he did make it all up? It seems no one elso knows what to make of the language on the tablets.
Anyone?

Well, Oxford scholars do - etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk...
And the Oriental Institute at the University of Chicago has also done plenty of reseach on these tablets.
Amazingly, neither match Stichin's so-called translation.

So who should I believe - researchers dilligently translating and understanding these tablets OR someone who "taught" himself and wrote his books to specifically sell to the mass public. I'll go with the university translations and understandings.

Oh really? what about this? This is taken from that site you gave:

Enki answered Ninmaḫ: "I will counterbalance whatever fate -- good or bad -- you happen to decide." Ninmaḫ took clay from the top of the abzu in her hand and she fashioned from it first a man who could not bend his outstretched weak hands. Enki looked at the man who cannot bend his outstretched weak hands, and decreed his fate: he appointed him as a servant of the king.

Sounds pretty much like Sitchin's story to me.

But even if Sitchin WERE right - and has accurately translated what the Sumerians said - what evidence has anyone got that they are right? What evidence have we got that Sumerian civilisation knew anything about it? Why should we treat their writings as gospel?

Back to the OP - my understanding of the Nibiru myth is that it rests on the idea of a cataclysm - caused by celestial bodies rather than artificially powered. But you're right, it brings another dimension to the story - and actually is "more likely" (I use inverted commas deliberately). There is no object in the sky that could possibly be Nibiru at the moment - so the only conclusion must be that it must arrive artificially if it's going to arrive on schedule: no celestial body is currently in a position to do so.


LW

Hi, the Terra Papers seem to link in with this plus it mentions a big "deathstar" space ship (which caused much turmoil from (a crashing into earth and taking out a large chunk and (b being used for its gravitational pull to melt the ice caps to subsequently flood the earth) which could be interpreted as Nibiru.

Here's one of many sites with the story:

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Hope this helps

[edit on 12-9-2008 by farther84]

Originally posted by vasaga


Oh really? what about this? This is taken from that site you gave:

Enki answered Ninmaḫ: "I will counterbalance whatever fate -- good or bad -- you happen to decide." Ninmaḫ took clay from the top of the abzu in her hand and she fashioned from it first a man who could not bend his outstretched weak hands. Enki looked at the man who cannot bend his outstretched weak hands, and decreed his fate: he appointed him as a servant of the king.

Sounds pretty much like Sitchin's story to me.

No, not really.

Sitchin does not say that the Anunnaki created a man from clay. Doesn't he says the Anunnaki genetically engineered humans as a crossbreed of Anunnaki and protohumans? This verse sounds very different from that.

[edit on 12-9-2008 by Phage]

He says they used clay to create the jar in which the genetics was performed to crossbreed annunaki and prototype humans. Here you go:

Again and again Ninmah rearranged the admixtures, of the ME
formulas she took bits and pieces;
One Being had paralyzed feet, another his semen was dripping,
One had trembling hands, a malfunctioning liver had another;
One had hands too short to reach the mouth, one had lungs for breathing unsuited.
Enki by the results was disappointed. A Primitive Worker is not attained! to Ninmah he was
saying.
What is good or is bad in this Being by trials I am discovering!
Ninmah to Enki responded. To continue for success my heart prompts me!
Once more an admixture she made, once more the newborn was deficient.
Perchance the shortfall is not in the admixture! Enki to her was saying.
Perchance neither in the female's oval nor in the essences is the hindrance?
Of what the Earth itself is fashioned, perchance that is what is missing
Not of Nibiru's crystals use the vessel, of the clay of Earth make it!
So was Enki, with great wisdom possessed, to Ninmah saying.
Perchance what is Earth's own admixture, of gold and copper, is required!
Thus was Enki, he who knows things, prompting her to use clay of the Abzu.
In the House of Life Ninmah made a vessel, of the Abzu's clay she made it.
As a purifying bath she shaped the vessel, within it to make the admixture.
Gently into the clay vessel the oval of an Earth female, the two-legged, she put,

The life essence from an Anunnaki's blood extracted she in the vessel placed,
By the ME formulas was the essence directed, bit by correct bit was it in the vessel added,
Then the oval thus fertilized into the womb of the Earth female she inserted.
There is conception! Ninmah with joy announced. The allotted birth-giving time they awaited.
At the allotted time the Earth female began to travail,
A child, a newborn, was forthcoming!
With her hands Ninmah the newborn extracted; a male it was!
In her hands she held the child, his image she examined; it was the image of perfection.
In her hands she held up the newborn; Enki and Ningishzidda were present.
With joyful laughter the three leaders were seized,
Enki and Ningishzidda were backslapping, Ninmah Enki embraced and kissed.
Your hands have made it! Enki, with a gleaming eye, to her was saying.

reply to post by vasaga


Right.

And you believe all that is very similar to the Oxford translation?

The most basic difference is that the Oxford translation says the man was made from clay. Sitchin says man was created in a clay vessel. But there is a lot more to it.

According to the Oxford translation, after humans were created as a group effort (and in a very vague manner), Enki and Ninmaḫ got plastered in celebration. They got into a creative pissing match, each saying that they could make a human all by themselves. Ninmaḫ tried first and after producing six seriously deficient prototypes gave up. Enki then gives it a shot and also fails. Neither Ninmah nor Enki are able to produce "the image of perfection".
Source

Sitchin liberally embellishes his translation, adding stuff that just isn't in the original texts. Look at the Oxford translation. There are a lot of notations of fragmentary lines and uncertain translations of particular words. Scholars don't "fill in the blanks" with leaps of imagination the way Sitchin does. There is no mention of admixtures or "life essence from an Anunnaki's blood". That's all stuff Sitchin made up.

[edit on 12-9-2008 by Phage]

Re-read that link of yours..

Enki answered Ninmaḫ: "I will counterbalance whatever fate -- good or bad -- you happen to decide." Ninmaḫ took clay from the top of the abzu in her hand and she fashioned from it first a man who could not bend his outstretched weak hands. Enki looked at the man who cannot bend his outstretched weak hands, and decreed his fate: he appointed him as a servant of the king.
62-65. Second, she fashioned one who turned back (?) the light, a man with constantly opened eyes (?). Enki looked at the who turned back (?) the light, the man with constantly opened eyes (?), and decreed his fate allotting to it the musical arts, making him as the chief …… in the king's presence.
66-68. [Third, she fashioned one with both feet broken, one with paralysed feet. Enki looked at the one with both feet broken, the one with paralysed feet and …… him for the work of …… and the silversmith and …….] [(1 ms. has instead

She fashioned one, a third one, born as an idiot. Enki looked at this one, the one born as an idiot, and decreed his fate: he appointed him as a servant of the king.]
69-71. Fourth, she fashioned one who could not hold back his urine. Enki looked at the one who could not hold back his urine and bathed him in enchanted water and drove out the namtar demon from his body.
72-74. Fifth, she fashioned a woman who could not give birth. Enki looked at the woman who could not give birth, [and decreed her fate: he made (?) her belong to the queen's household.] [(1 ms. has instead

…… as a weaver, fashioned her to belong to the queen's household.]
75-78. Sixth, she fashioned one with neither penis nor vagina on its body. Enki looked at the one with neither penis nor vagina on its body and gave it the name 'Nibru eunuch (?)', and decreed as its fate to stand before the king.
79-82. [Ninmaḫ threw the pinched-off clay from her hand on the ground and a great silence fell][(1 ms. has instead

Enki threw all (?) the clay to the ground and was greatly ……]. The great lord Enki said to Ninmaḫ: "I have decreed the fates of your creatures and given them their daily bread. Come, now I will fashion somebody for you, and you must decree the fate of the newborn one!"
83-91. Enki devised a shape with head, …… and mouth in its middle, and said to Ninmaḫ: "Pour ejaculated semen into a woman's womb, and the woman will give birth to the semen of her womb." Ninmaḫ stood by for the newborn ……. and the woman brought forth …… in the midst ……. In return (?), this was Umul: its head was afflicted, its place of …… was afflicted, its eyes were afflicted, its neck was afflicted. It could hardly breathe, its ribs were shaky, its lungs were afflicted, its heart was afflicted, its bowels were afflicted. With its hand and its lolling head it could not not put bread into its mouth; its spine and head were dislocated. The weak hips and the shaky feet could not carry (?) it on the field -- Enki fashioned it in this way.

Looks more like sitchin made some sort of summary.