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Originally posted by _BoneZ_
reply to post by CityIndian
Firstly, how could you possibly know how fast any of those planes are going in the videos above unless you're sitting at the controls? One or two of those videos looked like the plane was doing close to 500mph.
Originally posted by Orion7911
an equally important question is how could you or weedwhacker know?
Originally posted by Orion7911
Now what would be interesting is getting the expert opinion of an experienced and professional pilot thats flown one of these jets.
Originally posted by Orion7911
I find it interesting neither you nor weedwacker remotely addressed cityindians last post which to me is the real issue.
Originally posted by Orion7911
However since you and WW's m/o involves evading issues that you have no answer for to support your agenda, its not much of a surprise.
Originally posted by CityIndian
C'mon you can tell they're not going that fast, and they're nowhere near as low as the pentacon plane would have had to have been.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by _BoneZ_
Sorry, BoneZ....the videos are not showing 500MPH airplanes....
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Indian, whether a pilot has 100 hours, or 10,000 hours...flying is flying.
Originally posted by CityIndian
Do you think a person who has had a couple of hours in an automatic sedan could jump in a Peterbuilt fully loaded
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
You're stretching a little bit. He said 100 hours, not a couple. And driving a car or a Peterbuilt is still the same concept. Flying a Cesna or flying a 757 is still the same concept.
I've flown flight simulators for years and yet have never been in a plane. But I bet you that within minutes I could get that plane going and off the ground with no problems.
The difference between a car and Peterbuilt are the controls, but driving either one would be the same concept. Once you've flown one plane, you can fly any plane once you learn the controls.
John Lear: Well, you know, five minutes after it happened, I knew that it was a scam. ... No Boeing 757 ever crashed into the Pentagon. No Boeing 757 ever crashed at Shanksville. ... And no Arab hijacker, ever in a million years, ever flew into the World Trade Center. And if you got 30 minutes I'll tell you exactly why he couldn't do it the first time. Now, I'd have trouble doing it the first time.
Rob Balsamo: Yeah, same here.
John Lear: Maybe if I had a couple tries to line up a few building, I could have done it. But certainly not the first time and certainly not at 500 or 600 miles an hour.
Rob Balsamo: Yeah, as a matter of fact, one of our members, he was a 737 Check Airman. He was in the sim at the time on September 11 and right after it happened they tried to duplicate it in the simulator and they said they couldn't do it. They were trying to hit the Towers and they couldn't do it. ...
John Lear: Yeah, it would be an amazing feat of airmanship. ...
Originally posted by CityIndian
Research what real pilots are saying...
Originally posted by discombobulator
I watched this on The History Channel a few hours ago and this would have to be one of the worst 9/11 documentaries I have seen.
Any film that asserts at this point that no commerical aircraft hit the Pentagon does not deserve to see the light of day.
I found Dario Fo's demeanour in this video appalling and offensive, and I found it hard to stop myself from putting my foot through the TV to rid the screen of his googly eyed ridiculous grin.
[edit on 11-9-2008 by discombobulator]
Originally posted by discombobulator
I watched this on The History Channel a few hours ago and this would have to be one of the worst 9/11 documentaries I have seen.
Any film that asserts at this point that no commerical aircraft hit the Pentagon does not deserve to see the light of day.
I found Dario Fo's demeanour in this video appalling and offensive, and I found it hard to stop myself from putting my foot through the TV to rid the screen of his googly eyed ridiculous grin.
[edit on 11-9-2008 by discombobulator]
Originally posted by imeddieone4202003
Towers = 25 videos - PENTAGON = 5 FRAMES. Do the math, it doesnt quite add up.
You're assuming that pilots flew any of the planes at all. I don't think any human was flying the planes that hit the towers and lack of evidence shows no planes hit the Pentagon and Shanksville.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
The overwhelming evidence from the recovered UAL93 SSFDR and CVR, and the AAL77 SSFDR (CVR was unreadable) confirm human activity on the Flight Deck of both airplanes.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Unfortunately, we don't have the Recorders from AAL11 and UAL175
Source
But the FBI states, and also reported to the 9-11 Commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the World Trade Center were ever recovered.
There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two N.Y. City firefighters, Mike Bellone and Nicholas De Masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that Federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them.
A source at the National Transportation Safety Board...says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.
"Off the record, we had the boxes," the source says. "You'd have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here."
Originally posted by weedwhacker
SO, are you theorizing some sort of remote control?
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Well...I'd doubt your CounterPunch 'source'....it states that the UAL93 data Recorder was damaged beyond recovery...(although I've seen the NTSB readouts)
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Seems to diminish their cred.
...the contents of any of the black boxes remained unknown to the public until August of 2006, when the National Security Archive published the "NTSB Reports" including flight path and other studies of those flights.