The Big NASA-Military Cover-up On Gravity And Atmosphere On The Moon!

reply to post by Studenofhistory


Studen(with the missing 't')

The 'hollow Moon' concept has been bandied about, here on ATS, for some time.

The next (logical?) leap is that it is an artificial satellite, along the lines of a 'DeathStar' from Star Wars lore, but without the fatal destruction device to blow up a planet...or else, we wouldn't be here, typing on the internets.

As to the gravitational anomalies? Now, that is fascinating!!

Remember the Arthur C. Clarke short story titled 'The Sentinel'??

No? Well, maybe it's more familiar as the Stanley Kubrick film, "2001: A Space Odyssey"

The concept of an anomaly (in this case, a magnetic anomaly...."TMA-1") which drew attention of the humans....and was 'deliberately buried' on the Moon...but designed to be discovered, once humans had the technology to get there and discover it...and, once exposed to sunlight, would then 'announce' that it HAD been discovered....thusly alerting those that had placed it, that Humanity had reached a certain point in its evolution....

Science Fiction....and good, solid writing, by the way. Thought-provoking, as well.

Now, it is the early 21st Century, something imagined by many Science Fiction writers, long deceased. Compare their imaginings to what is really happening.

Most of the Science Fiction I have read, over the years, pointed to a greater openness....not a clamp-down by oppressive Military forces.

NASA...controlled by the DOD? BAD! People, who can think for themselves?...GOOD!

Revolution?? We will see......

Originally posted by zorgon
So while you professional 'debunkers' are filling the threads with bunk... NASA is exploring the Lunar Atmosphere with YOUR tax dollars

This is to funny to not quote

Btw: That gravity anomaly could have something to do with the "tidal lock" thingy... ?

reply to post by zorgon


OK, so SUE ME for watching the Science Channel!!!

Or bothering to read!!!

And....I will still fly rings around you.....just bring it on!!!

WW

(sorry I don't speak German....je parle un peu de Francais)

Sorry, I hadn't read the article and didn't notice you were talking about these anomalies:


And these improvements made by the JAXA mission on far side anomalies:
Before:


After:


Still, I don't see anything fishy. Just tryina map them out to prevent orbit issues during future missions as well as for other practical and perhaps unforseen reasons we may encounter later on.

[edit on 13-9-2008 by 4N6310]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
And....I will still fly rings around you.....just bring it on!!!

Your flying skills are still unproven Just another 'professed' expert with no documentation

And what does 'flying rings' around me have to do with the issue of dust clouds on the moon?

But no worries... since my long post in answer to BlackOps in your John Lear thread was deleted I doff my hat to you and bid you adieu.

reply to post by zorgon


Z??? Something deleted???

Take it up with the Mods, please don't try that sort of 'hit and run' tactic!!!!

It is beneath you....especially since I have (privately) already aired my bona fides.....can't believe you resort to this.

Well...U2Us are private, aren't they??????

That;s what YOU told me, when I was 'newbie'!!!

Thank you for your post, we are now returning you to the thread.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Thank you for your post, we are now returning you to the thread.

still copying John's "Thank you's" and I saw you using Mike's "Cheers"

How about addressing the topic of ATMOSPHERE and explaining why NASA agrees with us and is spending millions to study this ATMOSPHERE on the Moon or are you deliberately avoiding it?

Like usual?

Dust storms:
Yep, they're there alright.

Astronauts may have seen the storms, too. While orbiting the Moon, the crews of Apollo 8, 10, 12, and 17 sketched "bands" or "twilight rays" where sunlight was apparently filtering through dust above the moon's surface. This happened before each lunar sunrise and just after each lunar sunset. NASA's Surveyor spacecraft also photographed twilight "horizon glows," much like what the astronauts saw.

Source

Pretty freaky huh? But the presence of an atmosphere has nothing to do with it. Electrostatic differences between the day side and the night side cause dust to migrate at the terminator, without the aid of an atmosphere.
Source


Gravity anomalies:
Yep, they're there too. Caused by differences in mass density. So what? How are they relevant to this discussion?

Atmosphere:
Yep, there is one. Sorta....kinda. If you really stretch the definition:

Basically none. Some carbon gases, but very little of them. Pressure is about one-trillionth of Earth's atmospheric pressure.

Source


Gravity:
Sure, let's throw away everything we've learned (and demonstrated to be valid) about it over the last 300 years in favor of the "revolutionary" theory of a biochemist.
www.aetherometry.com...
By the way how does her theory account for the gravity anomalies?

[edit on 13-9-2008 by Phage]

reply to post by weedwhacker


more off topic babel... and still not addressing issues

Good job keep it up Herr Wacker

To Phage..

Thanks for addressing it finally... you realize of course where electrostatic dust storms will lead? Of course since NASA says so I know the new skeptic creedo will be "Sure makes sense... we knew that all along"



Well see ya later gators... I have work to to...

Its been fun...

TTFN

Originally posted by zorgon
Of course since NASA says so I know the new skeptic creedo will be "Sure makes sense... we knew that all along"

No.

More like: "That's an interesting phenomenon. Let's do some research and look for a rational explanation that fits with what we know. And if we can't do that, let's learn more about it. Let's not jump to conclusions based fantasy."

And it's not new. It's always been that way.

[edit on 13-9-2008 by Phage]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Hey! Mike, do you know how to fly? 'cause I'd like to rent a simulator, already told Zorgon....then we could bury this once and for all, about my abilities versus....well....amateur pilots, for want of a better term.

Yep! But not in yer class. No big jets. No CPL! Just gliding! And man, I just love it. Just like para sailing over the Mediterranean! Literally gives you a high! If you haven't tried it, then you're missing out on the real fun!

And yes, its fun flying the big boys on the flight sim, MS X with all the parameters turned up to almost full! But needless to say, it's not the real thing!

Cheers!

Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by zorgon
Of course since NASA says so I know the new skeptic creedo will be "Sure makes sense... we knew that all along"

No.
More like: "That's an interesting phenomenon. Let's do some research and look for a rational explanation that fits with what we know. And if we can't do that, let's learn more about it. Let's not jump to conclusions based fantasy."

Seems you've got yourself in knots. Contradiction in the same sentence is the bane of many a pseudo intellectual. (Not meaning you, of course! ) What you implied is that 'interesting phenomena' are based on fantasy? Then why research it and look for a rational explanation? There can't be any.

Am I obfuscating the issue as you usually contend? Or are you?

Cheers!

Check out the far side image below. Do you notice an atmospheric glow on the Moon's horizon? This pic was discovered by ATS member Sherpa, and is up on thelivingmoon web site...


Courtesy: thelivingmoon

Seems somewhat like Earth, what?

reply to post by mikesingh


Well, Mike....whilst I appreciate the info you bring, I believe I have a right to respect and dignity, with no snide attacks. Especially since it seems to be two against one.

Could you please address, again the 'tyres' on the LRV? I've looked and looked, but see no mention of any inflated 'tyres'....doesn't mean they weren't there, might just mean it was not significant to put on the Web.

Of course, if you wish to claim that an item in a museum of the stature of the NASM, at Smithsonian, is a fraud, then you better back it up, or else you are insulting the staff and curators at the museum.

As to any gravitaional anomalies on the Moon....again, the stated implication is, on one hand, the atmosphere is dedicated to the 'Farside', due to an uneven CG. This seems extraordinary, on its face, when you consider that trhe Moon does rotate about its axis, albeit in about 29-30 days.

There are the conventional explanations, of course...but to support a theory of a regularly stable off-center CG would require some external force, lest the entire Earth-Moon system completely destabilize.

Just seems to me, too much of a 'Star Wars', (the motion picture) mentality, especially in the 'Death Star' analogy.

Oh, and just so I can get deleted again, I HAVE flown large commercial jets!! Nearly 22 years worth.

reply to post by weedwhacker

Well, WW to cut a long story short, I met an acquaintance some time ago at Bangalore who had worked on the Apollo Project way back in the late sixties and now retired. We discussed certain aspects of that Moon program including the LRV in general, which is where this tire stuff came up, but rather casually. He did mention that blueprints etc were made to disappear – whatever that means! He refused to get going into the actuals of the program. He said this with a smirk, which I still remember:

“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” (From Shakespeare!)

In other words, there’s stuff going on out there that will boggle the mind. He refused to be prodded further. So damned if I know what the heck is really going on! But there’s plenty that is!!

Now do you know how I got interested in this Moon stuff? (And Mars for that matter! )

And...Check out my signature, below! Adds fuel to the fire, what?

Cheers!



[edit on 14-9-2008 by mikesingh]

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

I don't see how an encyclopedia can be trusted more than NASA.

This could be the quote of the year. You WERE joking, right?

If you were to make an analogy, if an encyclopedia were NASA, it would only have print on the lower half of every third page. And the first half of the volume would be misplaced.

How could i trust a group that is inept enough to have forgotten how to make it to the moon? It would seem that they have failed the "put up or shut up" test, even with technology that wasn't even in the wildest dreams of the original Apollo crew.

They haven't forgotten how to go to the moon. They just don't want to go like the first time, i.e. a small capsule with many great risks. They plan to go there in a much safer and better way than before.

Originally posted by masterp
They haven't forgotten how to go to the moon. They just don't want to go like the first time, i.e. a small capsule with many great risks. They plan to go there in a much safer and better way than before.

So NASA didn't mind sacrificing the astronauts just for winning the so called space race with the Soviet Union? Jeeez!!