LHC Q&A

Star and flag for you kind sir.

Brilliant post and so refreshing to get something intelligent on the subject rather than, "Arggggh, we're going to die..." twaddle.

Thanks a bunch for taking the time to share your knowledge

Great thread! s&f

Been in dire need of some good info not written in particle-physicist-lingo lol good stuff

Anyway my question is a touch more speculative in nature - please don't laugh if it doesn't make any sense, it just popped into my head

So the Higgs-particle.

If i understand correctly it is the result of two particles colliding together at sufficient force, going beyond the atomic and nuclear stages.

At this point, the Higgs-particle pretty much just appears from seemingly out of nowhere - matter created from energy (John Dee 007 anyone haha)

Could it be speculated that the Higgs-particle is not actually being created at the moment of impact, but is instead actually simply shifting its dimensional nature, therefore becoming detectable?

Could the Higgs-particle be the result of some kind of dimensional rift which the particle collision and the high energy levels creates?

Would love some educated insight into this possibility.


Thanks and once again, great thread

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Awesome post and thread - that post explained it (at least to me) in a way that I'd never thought of it. Brilliant.

Star and flag !!

Cheers!!! Hopefully you don't leave ATS once the tests are all done, the way you post is very welcome here !!!!

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"So, all reason suggests that if something catastrophic could occur, it would have occured naturally long before now."

Well, Bubba, I don't agree. It seems like little kids playing with firecrackers, big ones. I don't think that the scientists can destroy the planet, but they could quite easily blow themselves up.
But, we all hope not. But it seems dangerous.

Live webcast of LHC
webcast.cern.ch...

They've now (about 15:00) successfully completed the counterclockwise test as well (the earlier one was clockwise).

My new wallpaper.

ps: I'm not ignoring everyone's questions, just won't have time to post replies until later.

Hers some good links for info on the LHC

LHC info...

I like this one...

hawking bets cern wont find god's particle

The site physorg.com has just about everything you'd want in news on physics and anything sci/tech

Great thread by the way....

do you think that the LHC could start any new weapons like a super nuke or something?

Excelent post thank you for joining ATS!

Personally I am not that concerned about LHC/CERN but others were.

In light of the latest successfull test, what do you think the next step is going to be? What (if any) data can be extrapolated in the fraction of a second that the particles collide?

I had also heard that this machine was also going to be used to create a tiny singularity. (sigh) Any insight into why this singularity will just evaporate instead of grow into a massive black hole and engulf the entirety of the solar system? (which to me at least is just silly, but if you can explain why it's a silly notion I would appreciate it)

If my understanding about singularities is correct, (just based on reading a brief history of time, and a book from his cambridge lectures) which I will admit, I didn't understand completely. Singularities will just evaporate over a given amount of time based on the origional energy put into the singularity instead of grow because of the energy collected from the edge of the event horizon. Is this the case with the singularity proposed to be created at LHC?

Again thank you so much for joining ATS and posting this great information and giving us a chance to have questions answered.

One question I have:

Are there people/civilians that live within that 17 mile area inside the ring? And if not how close are domiciles to the experimentation area? I would love to hear if they have strange anomalies happen after this really gets moving and shaking.

Also if we google the coordinates where on earth is the opposite end on the planet? Wonder if they will experience anything out of the norm?

Also if they are attempting to discover the billionth second after the big bang, how do they stabilize that affect in order to observe?

I've read somewhere that the next step in the project was going to generate an "enormous energy concentration". Just how much energy would it be, and as a pointer, to what can we compare it to??

Great thread by the way!

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Welcome to ATS.

I am so very pleased to see you post on this topic. The simple fact that you state that you are a Physicist and did your masters at CERN lends far more credibility than any of the previous posts can claim. I have been a life long student of science for much more than 40 years and been somewhat frustrated with the relentless doom hoax and senseless fear mongering on this topic.

I have posted replies to various threads in regards to the safety and purpose of the collider in its operation, but I have not addressed the actual experiments and the various targets of data collection with any detail. Perhaps you could shed some light on the number theories that might be addressed as well as the number and purpose of the various sensors that are installed. From my observations, it is an impressive array and is really “THE” story of the LHC.

Again, welcome to ATS and thank you for your contribution, I look forward to hearing more from you.

According to CERN on their webcast they will be firing a beam through ATLAS for the first time shortly, followed by a break and then setting the machine up for a low power collision possibly tomorrow or even later this evening, they claim to be ready for a collision tomorrow

I would seriously recommend anybody with questions watch the webcast on the cern site

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Sigh...

A 16-year-old girl in Madhya Pradesh allegedly committed suicide after watching news on channels about possibility of the end of earth following the atom-smasher experiment in Geneva that began on Wednesday.

Chhaya, a resident of Sarangpur town in Rajgarh district, consumed sulphos tablets (an insecticide) on Tuesday, her parents said.

The girl was rushed to Indore's MY Hospital where she succumbed on Wednesday.

Her parents told reporters she was watching about the world's biggest atom-smasher experiment in Geneva on news channels since the last two days following which she got restless and ended her life.

Police have registered a case in this regard and further probe was on.

The experiment is being carried out to recreate the birth of universe and unlock its secrets. Scientists have rubbished reports of threat to the planet due to the experiment.

(source)

On top of everything, I imagine that poisoning oneself with insecticides has to be a very unpleasant way of committing suicide...

For some reason the main stream media (here in Australia at least) kept on mentioning how it could possibly be the end of the world. I was shocked at the total ignorance of it, considering the average person takes what is said on their 6 o'clock evening news as the total truth I think it's pretty damn irresponsible.

That girls suicide is unfortunate and totally unnecessary and the media should be blamed fully for this scaremongering

[edit on 10-9-2008 by Chadwickus]

I'm as excited as a little school girl about the LHC, i figure if everything goes according to plans, our knowledge of particles will greatly increase, I watched the history channel talk about it yesterday, I doubt it'll spin off a shower of black holes but if it does, we might know the meaning to life before everyone days, so its a win lose situation, but at least we won something

Originally posted by TeraBlight

However, as has been stated many times, nothing that happens at LHC doesn't happen in nature (in space) all the time, and at yet much higher energies (typical ultra-high-energy cosmic rays are a million times as energetic as LHC protons). The reason for recreating these events in a controlled fashion is simply to enable us to put the detector in the right place. So, all reason suggests that if something catastrophic could occur, it would have occured naturally long before now.

Firstly, thank you so much for offering your time and expertise. It is so cool to hear this information explained by someone like you. I'm just wondering if the higher-energy factor that occurs in nature isn't the very thing that protects us from the disaster? Is that possible?
S&F

As for the suicide, people do it almost to anything, not making light of it but, I remember a guy who either killed himself or went looney over global warming in australia, so.... its possible not always probable, but certainly possible.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
For some reason the main stream media (here in Australia at least) kept on mentioning how it could possibly be the end of the world. I was shocked at the total ignorance of it, considering the average person takes what is said on their 6 o'clock evening news as the total truth I think it's pretty damn irresponsible.

That girls suicide is unfortunate and totally unnecessary and the media should be blamed fully for this scaremongering

[edit on 10-9-2008 by Chadwickus]

It was all over the Sunrise show this morning, with Mel and Koche's standin making jokes about it, reading Emails from people making jokes about it.

It did make me think about people who WOULD believe the worst, and do just as TeraBlight posted above.

At least it was harmless jokes about not having to hand in homework tomorrow, etc, but still.. How sad that some people take this so seriously that paranoia causes them to commit suicide.

Found one more good link: LHC commissioning daily news reports, stop-press news directly from the source. Be warned, it's a bit stark and full of jargon.

I seem to have contracted a slight cold (no doubt caused by miniature black holes, somehow), so I'll have to delay answering questions til tomorrow, sorry. Thanks for the warm welcome, everyone!