hidden bible code in genealogy?

this is from genesis 10, the names of the sons of japheth.

i did my best to try and find the original meaning of the names.and taking each meaning of the names in order, you could form a sentence.

i realize this might be twisting things slightly, but it is interesting.take it for what its worth.


genesis 10:2, the sons of japheth.

gomer- finish, or complete.

magog- covering, roof, dissolving.

madai- a measure, judging, garment.

javan- deceiver, one who makes sad.

tubal- the earth, the world, confusion.

meshech- who is drawn by force.

tiras- desire.

CONCLUSION:

to finish or complete the covering garment of the deciever of the earth, who is drawn by force and/or desire.

is there anything else that you (the reader) has found ?

try it for yourself using any given genalogy and see what you come up with.

reply to post by pureevil81


Or you could just change around the order of the sons' names to get:

The deceiver, who is drawn to confusion/the world by force, desires a garnet to finish the roof.

This could be an interesting thing to look into. Or a neat icebreaker game, if everyone in the room knows what their name means.

hahah my name would be (lazy bum)

peace.

reply to post by pureevil81

genesis 10:2, the sons of japheth.

gomer- finish, or complete.

magog- covering, roof, dissolving.

madai- a measure, judging, garment.

javan- deceiver, one who makes sad.

tubal- the earth, the world, confusion.

meshech- who is drawn by force.

tiras- desire.

I am sorry I did not catch this! It's a great concept! My 2 cents:

The so-called great deceiver has the world in such confusion but his veil has been lifted and he is taking man's measure - those who are tempted by his tools of desire are; dissolving, and his duty, or role, is coming to completion.

I've said it before, and will say it again...there simply cannot be a biblical "code"...

Why? Because the bible is a collection of books, some associated originally, some not, and still many others not included, though intended to be by the authors.... Finally, they were written in different languages and dialects, and then later translated...

Any "code" would be a mere coincidence, and/or an exercise in linguistic statistics.... Even if there was a deliberate code, it certainly would not have survived intact (considering all of the above) in the modern bible....

I've said it before, and will say it again...there simply cannot be a biblical "code"...

I always wonder at blanket statements like this!

By what authority do you speak?

I followed up the "blanket statement" with the supporting arguments for my reasoning. By all means, please feel free to dispute those arguments...

Any "code" would be a mere coincidence, and/or an exercise in linguistic statistics.... Even if there was a deliberate code, it certainly would not have survived intact (considering all of the above) in the modern bible....

You are still speaking black and white without evidence. If one leaves a higher power out of the equation, then I agree with you.

I personally feel the Bible was authored by different Gods. That they allowed, if not by design, for there to be innumerable mistakes. Why? To deliberately mislead.

reply to post by pureevil81


Interesting find. Here is another one using the genealogies to show a hidden message about Jesus:



There is a thread about it on ATS as well. I actually just had a dream last night about the Bible codes and God was showing me all sorts of things hidden in the Old Testament that hadn't been unveiled yet. It was pretty cool and I've never had a dream like that before.

Anyways, the video above is similar to what you've shown only it refers to Jesus instead.

You are still speaking black and white without evidence. If one leaves a higher power out of the equation, then I agree with you.

There you go...so, to be sure I understand you correctly, your argument is that God (or Gods) knew that certain books would be included and others discarded, and knew how they would be translated amongst different languages, and considered all of this when embedding a code that would still hold up intact when all of this was done.

This would fit in with the Omniscient God idea and the Bible drafted by God idea...so from a theological standpoint, it's a valid argument, but from a logical standpoint, it requires blind faith in order to make the argument work....

This would fit in with the Omniscient God idea and the Bible drafted by God idea...so from a theological standpoint, it's a valid argument, but from a logical standpoint, it requires blind faith in order to make the argument work..

Not unless one was given evidence of it!

Think of the cell and apply what I am saying. The spark was there, it just took intelligence to discover it and to dissect it. Apply the same to the mystery book we call the Bible.


[edit on 13-1-2009 by MatrixProphet]

reply to post by MatrixProphet
Disclaimer: I'm a theist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I am not a scientific/legal or medical expert in any field. Beware of my Contagious Memes! & watch out that you don't get cut on my Occams razor.All of this is my personal conjecture and should not be considered the absolute or most definitive state of things as they really are. Use this information at your own risk! I accept no liability if your ideology comes crashing down around you with accompanying consequences!

Explanation: Gazrok speaks with the Authority of YHVH and Moses through the Torah at these following scriptures...

Deut 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deut 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

So Basically AT FACE VALUE these two scriptures clearly state Don't be adding or taking away from GODS SPECIFIC LAWS! i.e. No CODES! therefor NO Kabalah or Judaic Oral Law type of interpretations ect!

And furthermore....

Deut 18:9-13 (shown below)
Deu 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Deu 18:12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Deu 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

So basically at FACE VALUE this scripture goes straight to all who would use such CODES?KNOWLEDGE/SPELLS/RITUALS/SIGILS ect at all, are and I quote the Torah directly again "these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD" (Deut 18:12). So no ambiguity there as far as YHVH is concerned. If You do any of this "abomination" and think you are still sinless in the eyes of YHVH, then I am sure he will correct you when it pleases him.

And finally if you claim you are a prophet of YHVH and because of such status that you can interpret the WORD/LAW of GOD as you see fit then please let me bring your attention to...

Deut 13:1-11

Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
Deu 13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
Deu 13:7 [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth;
Deu 13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
Deu 13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
Deu 13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deu 13:11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

So at FACE VALUE these scriptures basically allow the prophet/interpreter to be vetted and if found wanting then allows the investigator to take personal action and perform the death penalty upon the culprit!!! Will the OP agree to these A PRIORI biblical position conditions? If not then why not?

Personal Disclosure: If you are going to believe A PRIORI that YHVH is GOD (Ex0 3:13-15) and Moses wrote his Book of Law (Deut 31:9 & 24)
and that YHVH's Book of Law is infallible religious canon (Pure given by reason of CHOICE based on personal assessment and SUBJECTIVE valuation See Kant] of YHVH,Moses and the Bible), and then go and throw that all out the window in search of things that 1) don't exist (i.e. NO hidden codes or knowledge! Its all up front and at face value thanks very much!) and 2) are specifically forbidden practices,on the basis that there just might be something hidden there, then can you really be Denying ignorance or would you be promoting it. This is known as the The Forer Effect and it means to see patterns where there are NONE!. None are so blind as they who will not see! :shk:

reply to post by Gazrok
Disclaimer: I'm a theist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I am not a scientific/legal or medical expert in any field. Beware of my Contagious Memes! & watch out that you don't get cut on my Occams razor.All of this is my personal conjecture and should not be considered the absolute or most definitive state of things as they really are. Use this information at your own risk! I accept no liability if your ideology comes crashing down around you with accompanying consequences!

Explanation: Brilliant insight. Star for you.

Personal Disclosure:

So Basically AT FACE VALUE these two scriptures clearly state Don't be adding or taking away from GODS SPECIFIC LAWS! i.e. No CODES! therefor NO Kabalah or Judaic Oral Law type of interpretations ect!

So isn't it interesting that God chose to not have his words be accurately quoted in the Bible and did not perform the second miracle of preserving his word with no discrepancies!

Again...I must repeat: the Bible was not founded on any original manuscripts or texts! This is an established fact.

So WHO knows what is accurate or not? This is where individuals like myself come in! Regardless of whether you enjoy that fact or not.

There ARE hidden messages in the Bible but most are too caught up in the first layers of the Biblical onion to find that out. Most are too caught up in religious philosophy to see beyond the dogma.

Just because scriptures are thrown at me, does not evidence make!

reply to post by MatrixProphet
Disclaimer: I'm a theist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I am not a scientific/legal or medical expert in any field. Beware of my Contagious Memes! & watch out that you don't get cut on my Occams razor.All of this is my personal conjecture and should not be considered the absolute or most definitive state of things as they really are. Use this information at your own risk! I accept no liability if your ideology comes crashing down around you with accompanying consequences!

Explantion: 1)Yes it is extraordinarily interesting and because of that little curiosity I would posit the following ...that YHVH isn't GOD due to his lack of ongoing editorial responsibilities and also a lack of insuring against its corruption as a situation that clearly rejects THE claimed position of his omnibenevolence(state of morality). Hmmmm interesting indeed.

2)I fully agree with you on your second statement and I quote "Again...I must repeat: the Bible was not founded on any original manuscripts or texts! This is an established fact."...But aren't you required to prove such extraordinary claims with some extraordinary credible proof?

3) Hmmmmm Who does know what is accurate or not??? See Kant for my POV on this subjective subject....... Basically its all about A PRIORI PURE GIVENS as a starting POV and then how one rationally or not and logically or not, builds one perceived (subjective) existence out of perceived (subjective) phenomena based on several A PRIORI PURE GIVEN's that all perceived phenomena are perceived totally accurately and that said phenomena's are actually based on actually existing (i.e. real and separate from ones mind) noumena that can be consistently and repeatably and reliably tested for said phenomena ect. Basically can you really ever be totally sure of any PURE GIVEN A PRIORI positions you are taking and how do you really know your not totally hallucinating or the subject of deceptive perceptions and sensations? So to answer your question I would posit that after one moves on from the uncomfortable position of starting from a given pro-biased position such as yes I accurately sense and make full sense of what I sense and yes these senses say I am immersed in an existence larger than I can truly sense and that existence has repeatable testable observable phenomena that can be codified and once codified and widely accepted by others (peers), only then can it be considered an objective stance by some.

4) You then say and I quote"This is where individuals like myself come in! Regardless of whether you enjoy that fact or not.". Oh dear seems I may have given the wrong impression...I'm not sure where but if I have I immediately retract it and apologize unreservedly (pls let me know where I may have posted that individuals like you shouldn't come in and whether I personally enjoy it or not? :?. Oh and for the record regardless of any position I may have previously held, in future I will gladly welcome you to interpret the bible as you see fit and I have always enjoyed your input MatrixProphet as I both respect your POV and your insights. I hope this clears up any issue between us. If not please u2u me.

5) Yes there are hidden messages in the bible as a whole but that must be veiwed from the A PRIORI POV of the bible being a mythical mystical book containing esoteric gnosis, rather than from the A PRIORI POV of the bible being infallible religious canon because that would be logically and rationally unreasonable considering the scriptural proofs I laid out in my post above. I have nothing against people finding codes or patterns anywhere...I'm interested in their validity and that means I must vet their A PRIORI POV's to my liking according to my A PRIORI POV's which I hope I make as transparent and upfront as I can personally muster.

6) Finally I'm sorry you don't accept scripture being thrown at you! I'm sorry if I gave the impression of offhand throwing scripture/pearls before you like you were a unknowledgeable person/swine. You are not unknowledgeable or
a swine! and I wholeheartedly and unreservedly apologize if I gave you that impression at all anywhere or ever. Please inform me of what kind of burdens of proof that you require for me to try and prove my case to you.

Personal Disclosure: I immediately and unreservedly retract my headshake from my post. It clearly sent the WRONG message and appears to have unintentionally insulted a poster I respect greatly. For this I am truly remorseful and beg their forgiveness.

Ahhh, you are so sweet! For other posters: we are friends and have U2U'd each other!

We agree and enjoy each others posts. I HAVE had a headache all morning and can take accountability for my response. You'd think I would get off ATS but am a little addicted!!

To answer your question on the Bible not being based on original manuscripts: everyone is getting tired of me (especially evangelicals) quoting this scholar but will again -

Misquoting Jesus - The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why." - Bart D. Ehrman
+
"Text of the New Testament" by Bruce M. Metzger

They both have had access to the earliest copies of the Bible and go into great explanation.

reply to post by MatrixProphet
Disclaimer: I'm a theist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I am not a scientific/legal or medical expert in any field. Beware of my Contagious Memes! & watch out that you don't get cut on my Occams razor.All of this is my personal conjecture and should not be considered the absolute or most definitive state of things as they really are. Use this information at your own risk! I accept no liability if your ideology comes crashing down around you with accompanying consequences!

Explanation: Thanks for the info MP...will vet its credibility tomorrow.

Personal Disclosure: I'm Sorry to hear about your headache and I hope it gets better soon.

Originally posted by Gazrok

and knew how they would be translated amongst different languages, and considered all of this when embedding a code that would still hold up intact when all of this was done.

Hi gazrok,

as pointed out in the original post, you have to take the names from their ORIGINAL meaning. the native language.

As far as bible code no its not really, but as ashleyd pointed out there are alot more, I even searched the internet and couldnt find anything about it.

Nothing more than taking genealogy and putting the original name in place of the translated name, then you go by the meaning of the name and it seems to form sentences. Just like the one in the OP.

the one in the OP is not the only one.

reply to post by AshleyD


Thanks ashley, I actually got a call from a friend who is a " bible thumper " and told me about this, so I did the same thing with a different genealogy and whats in the OP is what I came up with.

Thanks for the video.

[edit on 14-1-2009 by pureevil81]

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OH dear, seems I'm in trouble.


I knew as soon as the word " code " was put in the title this was going to happen. It's not really a code though, You can take your own family tree, find the original meaning of the names and see what happens..... maybe I will try that, IF I'm not struck by lightning first!