What is Obama's religion? ("My Muslim faith")

Originally posted by LLoyd45

Originally posted by neformore

Heres a longer clip than a 12 second soundbyte snipped out deliberately for the purpose of shock/smear tactics.

Its a slip up. People make them all the time, on both sides.

I suggest this is a non-issue unless you have your mile wide party political fanatic blinkers on.

US Elections 2008. If its crap, its worth discussing

My name is Neformore, and I approved this message

[edit on 8/0908/08 by neformore]

So, how many times has someone had to correct you on what your religious beliefs are Neforemore? ......

I can understand getting extremist and al queda confused when speaking, that's a much more complicated and involved issue than, am I of the Christian or Muslim faith.

For goodness sake stop DISTORTING things and freaking out. Anyone watching the video understands what he meant...YOU AREN"T DUMB...so don't act like it for the sake of spin.

""I can understand getting extremist and al queda confused when speaking, that's a much more complicated""
If we wan't spend our time being snarkry and idiotic rather than genuinely debating REAL differences I would make the case that it is UNBELIEVABLY more important not to confuse whether IRAN is training EXTEMISTS or
AL-QUEDA and that while Obama might have communicated a personal fact with a choice of words that was vulnerable to right wing distortion, McCain Missspoke in a way that shows a poor understanding/confusion of a critically dangerous situation right now (IRAN).

I don't have any issue with any man's faith. However, the reason for all of the Muslim issue's with Barack is, the fact that he has claimed when he was a child he went to a Muslim school. That is where all of the accusations come from. The reason most people have an issue with the fact he may be Muslim, is that Muslim's do not believe in man made laws. Only the word of God is law to Muslim's. If Barack were in fact a Muslim, how could he run a country governed by man made laws? That is a huge issue. There are counties in France, that the government will no longer police because of the violence displayed against them by the Muslims there. It is like the French gave up part of its country, because the people there will not abide by the man made laws governing them. I think that is where most people have the issue with wether or not he's Muslim. As for these people saying Muslim countries have killed less than Christian countries....pick up a freakin book now and then. Libya trains people to take out the leaders of other countries. I am all about freedom of religion, because I believe in an alternative faith. If Barack is in fact Christian good for him, but if he is Muslim he would be a hypocrite to run this country. I don't think McCain is the answer for this country, but neither is Barack. I guess I'm going to have to wait until November to figure out who I'm gonna vote for. Like Lewis Black said, "You are basically presented with two bowls of s*@t, you just have to vote for the one that stinks the least."

Do you people have actually watched this video ? I truly wonder ...

He is actually discussing the fact that McCain has never personally used the muslim argument against him, which is an honourable thing to do. He makes a parallel with the fact that right after the attacks on Palin's daughter, he (BO) said kids were off limits.

Here is a transript (at 1:15)

BO : What I was suggesting, you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my muslim faith ...

Interviewer (corrects BO) : christian faith !

BO : ... my christian faith. (thinks for 2sec) What I am saying is that he hasn't suggested that i'm a muslim.


Do words have a meaning or the whole point is just to pick an argument about nothing ?

Originally posted by neformore
I don't have a religion, so thats kind of a non-issue for me. What I will say is that when people are speaking under pressure, they make mistakes. Obama is under huge pressure right now as a political/ideological leader for the Dems. I can understand how he did it.

If Nobama Bin Biden can't handle the pressure of a presidential campaign how the hell is he going to handle the pressure of being President?

reply to post by LiquidMirage

If Nobama Bin Biden can't handle the pressure of a presidential campaign how the hell is he going to handle the pressure of being President?

If McCain can't tell the difference between shiites and sunnis, and has no clue as to who american soldiers are fighting (and are killed by) in Irak, he should stay as far away from the White House as possible.

You know, for the sake of ... everybody.

The same kind of confusion was made a few years back with baathist (ie socialist and nationalist) Saddam supporting god-fearing Al Qaeda (terrorism internationalists), and look at where we are now.

Foreign policy and world affairs are far too important, and the consequences of misinterpretations far too heavy to pay to be allowed approximacy.
This should have been the end of any candidate's carrer, period, no matter which side he was.

Originally posted by Loke.
For you people to be in the land of the free i really have a hard time understand what his religious faith has to do with him running for Presisdent. I mean come on we are in the year 2008 and religion should not be an issue, like a child "out of wedlock" should not be an issue. Aim towards their core, their politics and keep out faith and family.

I know a lot US citizen are religious, but no matter what believe system you answer to, may itbe muslim, christian or jewish i recon, that all swear to uphold the good will towards all men and women, and to uphold peace.

Best regards

Loke.

[edit on 7-9-2008 by Loke.]

It shouldn't be that way, but it is. For proof, look at Mitt Romney. He even offered a public speech explaining the Mormon religion and people still didn't accept him.

Originally posted by maybereal11
For goodness sake stop DISTORTING things and freaking out. Anyone watching the video understands what he meant...YOU AREN"T DUMB...so don't act like it for the sake of spin.

""I can understand getting extremist and al queda confused when speaking, that's a much more complicated""
If we wan't spend our time being snarkry and idiotic rather than genuinely debating REAL differences I would make the case that it is UNBELIEVABLY more important not to confuse whether IRAN is training EXTEMISTS or
AL-QUEDA and that while Obama might have communicated a personal fact with a choice of words that was vulnerable to right wing distortion, McCain Missspoke in a way that shows a poor understanding/confusion of a critically dangerous situation right now (IRAN).

You seem to be the only one freaking out and distorting things MBR. If it's such a minor issue, why are you protesting so loudly about people discussing it?

I'm really impressed with "the right" here in this thread. It has been stated in a few different places, by a few different people that Obama was actually giving McCain accolades for NOT talking about his "muslim faith," as though he had one. He isn't speaking incorrectly, he isn't admitting that he is a muslim. He is admitting that McCain himself hasn't been claiming that Obama is a muslim.

But everyone making the argument wants to ignore those additions to this thread. I think i'm finished with this one. The argument has been made, my point has been proven and that's about all there is to say.

Originally posted by Loke.
For you people to be in the land of the free i really have a hard time understand what his religious faith has to do with him running for Presisdent. I mean come on we are in the year 2008 and religion should not be an issue, like a child "out of wedlock" should not be an issue. Aim towards their core, their politics and keep out faith and family.

I know a lot US citizen are religious, but no matter what believe system you answer to, may itbe muslim, christian or jewish i recon, that all swear to uphold the good will towards all men and women, and to uphold peace.

Best regards

Loke.

[edit on 7-9-2008 by Loke.]

THANK YOU!

Yes, I'm having a busy time writing off those people who think that a persons religion has anything to do with how effective of a leader they would be.

Can we just elect an Atheist already? Now THAT is a glass ceiling!

Originally posted by Quazga

THANK YOU!

Yes, I'm having a busy time writing off those people who think that a persons religion has anything to do with how effective of a leader they would be.

Can we just elect an Atheist already? Now THAT is a glass ceiling!

Quazga,

The core issue is not that he is a Muslim, but the fact that he has constantly lied about it.

reply to post by Quazga


Yeah, good luck getting an Atheist in office, we can't even get someone in office who doesn't have to lie about how religious they are. Obama's devotion to his church is a direct result of political ties within Chicago, people who attended the same church. McCain actually converted to shore up more voters some years back. Romney has to make a speech about the fact that he's a Mormon and it's not scary.

Let's focus on getting someone in office who can simply say "I don't really go to church. My relationship with God is more personal than that"

reply to post by LLoyd45

Do you typically get confused as to what your religious beliefs are, and require someone to correct you? It's not like he was recalling some obscure fact from his past. Can we not even trust the words that come out of his own mouth now?

Tell me - Who here hasn’t - or hasn’t heard of someone who has - stated the exact opposite of what they wanted to - due to excess pressure?
Forgotten someone's name or slipped up with the wrong name?
How about when you’re in a new realtionship and you accidently call them by the name of a person from your previous relationship or Ex Husband/Wife.
Slips happen, it’s the way the subconscious works - especially under pressure.
You want to be so sure not to mess up - you end up flubbing it up anyway.
Simple.

Just put another check mark on Lord Obama's gaffe list.

This guy is just a gaffe machine.

The drive-by media is acting just like the knights in the classic movie "Monty Pythons Holy Grail" Run away....run away...run away! But instead of that they are saying....

look the other way, look the other way!

Originally posted by LiquidMirage

Originally posted by neformore
I don't have a religion, so thats kind of a non-issue for me. What I will say is that when people are speaking under pressure, they make mistakes. Obama is under huge pressure right now as a political/ideological leader for the Dems. I can understand how he did it.

If Nobama Bin Biden can't handle the pressure of a presidential campaign how the hell is he going to handle the pressure of being President?

Really?

You're going to go off of cracking under pressure and use that to bash Obama? You should probably check your facts first so that perhaps you can see how ridiculously hypocritical you're being.

Hmmm, judging by your avatar, you are a Palin fan, please, do look into how SHE can handle pressure (i.e. Bridge to Nowhere) before you stick your foot into your mouth again.

Originally posted by Loke.
For you people to be in the land of the free i really have a hard time understand what his religious faith has to do with him running for Presisdent. I mean come on we are in the year 2008 and religion should not be an issue, like a child "out of wedlock" should not be an issue. Aim towards their core, their politics and keep out faith and family.

Well said! Not only should it not matter, it is contrary to the Constitution to have it be a formal requirement.

This claim about Obama, originally dreamed up by who knows who, has been completely debunked, not once but several times.

Yet here again, we are on the umpteenth page of a thread about this debunked, bogus claim, again based on an out of context, twisted version and interpretation of what the man said in an interview.

I understand not supporting Obama, there are plenty of things I disagree with him on.

But for crying out loud, how often does this non-issue have to be squashed? This is as reasonable as claiming he is a Reptiloid. Or has that claim been made as well?

Over and out.

Originally posted by LLoyd45

Originally posted by maybereal11
For goodness sake stop DISTORTING things and freaking out. Anyone watching the video understands what he meant...YOU AREN"T DUMB...so don't act like it for the sake of spin.

""I can understand getting extremist and al queda confused when speaking, that's a much more complicated""
If we wan't spend our time being snarkry and idiotic rather than genuinely debating REAL differences I would make the case that it is UNBELIEVABLY more important not to confuse whether IRAN is training EXTEMISTS or
AL-QUEDA and that while Obama might have communicated a personal fact with a choice of words that was vulnerable to right wing distortion, McCain Missspoke in a way that shows a poor understanding/confusion of a critically dangerous situation right now (IRAN).

You seem to be the only one freaking out and distorting things MBR. If it's such a minor issue, why are you protesting so loudly about people discussing it?

Absolutely right LLoyd. My beef wasn't with "discussion", but "distortion", but you are right that I shouldn't feed the idiocy by adding any more posts to this thread. The full qoute is there jsut a few posts up for anyone that cares, and those that don't...well what good is it to point it out.

Thanks. MBR out.

Here is a transript (at 1:15)

BO : What I was suggesting, you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my muslim faith ...

Interviewer (corrects BO) : christian faith !

BO : ... my christian faith. (thinks for 2sec) What I am saying is that he hasn't suggested that i'm a muslim.


[edit on 8-9-2008 by maybereal11]

Originally posted by bigbert81
I find it amazing that, despite all evidence, people STILL insist on believing what they want and shutting their minds off to anything else. There's a poster above me that calls for Obama to quit lying and tell the truth. That's not an example of someone with an open mind who will listen to intellectual debate about a subject. What a joke.

[rant on]
Ok, I admit, maybe that was over the top, but Obama religious connections are not my concern, my cons list doesn't need any more help.

The reason I said it so matter-of-factly is because he is a fairweather politician, just depends on where he his today.

He has done things in the past to hurt his credibility, some of which included his religious beliefs.

Believe it or not, I really believe Obama wants what he feels is best for this country, regardless of his religion, but I doubt his ability to get us there nor is it the best for this country.

I said it because he is a story teller, IMO.
[rant off]

ugh religion shouldnt even be brought up ugh wtffffff happend to seperation of church and state?? ughfs khs im sorry but its sooooooo annoying that the religion thing is constantly being brought up who cares!!!
i care about what someone will do for our country regardless of religion. i dont give a crap if someone attends church or not. wtf.

dont they laugh at you in europe if u attempt to bring up religion in your political campaigns???