"Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage"

"Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage"

www.dailytech.com

Data from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) has indicated a dramatic increase in sea ice extent in the Arctic regions. The growth over the past year covers an area of 700,000 square kilometers: an amount twice the size the nation of Germany.

With the Arctic melting season over for 2008, ice cover will continue to increase until melting begins anew next spring.

(visit the link for the full news article)

Far be it from me to stoke the fires of the environmentalists out there. Perhaps this will cool the doom-sayers off...no pun intended.

For the record, I do not dismiss the Green, and their agenda, out-of-hand. However, a lot of green is being made off this politicized issue. Carbon credits? Who smells business as usual?

That said, thousands of elephants chanting "Drill, Baby, Drill" smells just as rank.

www.dailytech.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

this growth is in comparision to last years record low.

the cause of the growth is an usually strong siberian wind.

the world is unusualy cold at the moment due to the conjunction of the la nina and a solar minimum
en.wikipedia.org...
science.nasa.gov...

en.wikipedia.org...

i dont really know what to believe any more one report says record ice melts from warming another says record ice, i suspect the corporations are suceeding in their agendas to confuse the masses.

i guess ill just go with my gut feeling

yes thermal vents could be contributing.
yes solar storms could also possibly contribute
mankind may not be soley responsible but i doubt we have helped the situation.

Due to "La Nina" we will see cooling this year, no biggie, next year it will come back 10 times worse....

Ice gain? Yeah sure and pigs are flying over Toronto...lol




19-square-mile ice sheet breaks loose in Canada

TORONTO (AP) — A chunk of ice shelf nearly the size of Manhattan has broken away from Ellesmere Island in Canada's northern Arctic, another dramatic indication of how warmer temperatures are changing the polar frontier, scientists said Wednesday.

Derek Mueller, an Arctic ice shelf specialist at Trent University in Ontario, told The Associated Press that the 4,500-year-old Markham Ice Shelf separated in early August and the 19-square-mile shelf is now adrift in the Arctic Ocean.

"The Markham Ice Shelf was a big surprise because it suddenly disappeared. We went under cloud for a bit during our research and when the weather cleared up, all of a sudden there was no more ice shelf. It was a shocking event that underscores the rapidity of changes taking place in the Arctic," said Mueller.

[edit on 4-9-2008 by Regenmacher]

This is just a simple example of manipulation of the facts.

This has been covered everywhere (there's probably even threads on ATS about it)...the Arctic ice that has disappeared over the last few years is thousands of years of ice buildup.

Compare that to the ice that has "grown" in the Arctic over the last year...that ice has only been built up there from the last 12 months...not the last thousand years.

So if all of that ice that has built up over the last thousand years disappeared over a course of a few years...how long do you think that the "massive gain of ice" that built up over the last 12 months will last?

Put that in your environmental pipe and smoke it...although I still don't think Dion's carbon tax is to be desired.

Edit: Another way to look at it is that the glaciers that are breaking up and melting in the Arctic are MASSIVE, huge and unbelievably large in height. Do you think 12 months of ice gain will produce ice that large, or do you think 12 months of ice gain will produce a thin sheet of ice in warming waters? Again I ask, how long will that little sheet of ice last?

Total manipulation of facts...ok I'll stop ranting now.

[edit on 4-9-2008 by matth]

reply to post by ItsTheQuestion


I just want to say, off topic it may be, that I love your ideology. It's perfect. I couldn't have said it better.

-The green's agenda is just.
-The politics around the green's agenda is shady at best. Using a just cause to promote unnecessary taxes.
-The other side of the coin, the dismissal of the green ideology, and the furthering of pollution throughout the world is unethical and dangerous.

We can't win for losing. So people need to quit bringing up agenda when talking about science. Leave politics out of science. Every time the ice caps are mentioned someone starts talking about Alaska or Al Gore.

I am a little confused.....there is a thread here at ATS citing sources saying that the Arctic Ice will soon be an island (there is, of course, if you didin't know already, no land mass up there) and a fabled 'Northwest Passage' is likely to be opened, for shipping.

Oh, poor Santa!! He may have to move to Canada or Finland.

reply to post by Sublime620


It seems as though every decent cause gets co-opted by corporate interests. Thereby removing any semblance of decency.

Also, "U-nique New York. U-nique. New York."

"I'm not even mad!"

Reply to Sublime620...

I have a feeling that with all of this global warming and ice melting...

It's going to become so damn hot! Milk is really going to be a bad choice.

[edit on 4-9-2008 by matth]

Personaly i think we are going into another ice age and the powers that be don't want us to panic IMO so they give us two sides of the story,keep the sheeple from the real truth.

Smoke and mirrors is what they are doing

reply to post by matth




Best line ever.

reply to post by Sublime620


Sub, no it isn't!!

I'm going to ask Santa for a lot of ice, this year (it's on my List)....to keep all of my milk and butter cold.

Because, I got worried by another thread saying there's a new NorthWest Passage thru the Arctic Ice Cap...then....we hear there is a massive GAIN??

Um...K....now I see, the two balance out.

Good! My milk and butter is/are safe!!!

reply to post by welivefortheson

the world is unusualy cold at the moment due to the conjunction of the la nina and a solar minimum

...and there were the scientists trying to suggest that the Earths climate is not sensitive to solar maximums/minimums!

Idiots.

reply to post by mirageofdeceit


Hey! mirage....

(stop, please, with the 'idiots' comments please)

But, to the subject: I was reading a thread here at ATS about recent Solar activity....unusual Solar activity. (Fewer sunspots than usual). Could be related. MAYBE that is what was meant by the "solar minimum" comment?

IN any event....when it comes to Solar activity, and any effects on the planets in the Solar System....we puny Humans have nothing to do with it.

As to our Planet? It can heal itself, given enough time.

People do know the difference between the Arctic and Antarctica I hope, seriously there seems to be some confusion between the two.
Arctic melting, Antarctica ice gains, summer and winter.

It's happened before it'll happen again.
My environmental argument stays the same, screw the carbon, it's natural and necessary. What about all the toxic chemicals and carcinogens being released into the environment? the deforestation? The pillaging and poisoning the oceans, all of this stuff has taken a back seat to this ridiculous argument.

Screw global warming, What about global poisoning?

reply to post by weedwhacker


why should he not make that comment , i also think it is true,
to be honest the time has come for me to put you on ignore.

snoopyuk

reply to post by mirageofdeceit


Why write something like this which doesn't even represent the truth? Scientists have never claimed that the sun does not influence the climate in fact it does affect the climate. It does not however explain the current warming trend on its own and in fact a change from min to max in solar activity changes the average temp by about 0.2C. (Link to UK Met Office and question 3.4)

What a snow job. (Pun intended.)

How do you explain this?

Arctic sea ice drops to 2nd lowest level on record

More ominous signs Wednesday have scientists saying that a global warming "tipping point" in the Arctic is happening before their eyes: Sea ice in the Arctic Ocean has melted to its second lowest level since satellite observations began.

The National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo., reported that the extent of sea ice in the Arctic is down to 2.03 million square miles. The lowest point since 1979 is 1.65 million square miles set last September.

With about three weeks left in the Arctic summer, this year could wind up breaking the previous record, scientists said.