Portugal: Starting of the government empowerment

Hi all,

For the following information i couldnt find a source in english, sorry about that. Other portuguese members will certainly know what im talking about.
Here it goes:

Recently portugal is seeing a supposed increase in criminality, especially crimes like bank robbery (there was already a live transmission from the killing of a theft). The media is talking about it everyday, and there is people (like me), even "famous" people saying that the increase in criminality is virtual, thats it is created by the media, that the criminality is the same as it used to be.
The thing is that the governmente has created, in record time (as quickly as the patriot act after 9/11, for example) a new, superintendent kind, charge that concentrate all the powers related to justice and police intervention. And this person is selected by the prime-minister!

There was already some months ago a case where a professor was suspended from functions because of a joke he made about the prime-minister.

Are we starting to see Portugal becoming more like USA after 9/11? Is this the beginning of the NWO activities spreading outside USA?

Sounds a lot like it to me.
Creation of a new security agency? Check!
Consolidation of existing duties into said agency? Check!
Political "regime change". Check!
"Discouragement" of dissent. Check!
Media fabrications produced to instill fear in the populace. Check!

Do you leaders seem to be above the laws they are supposed to protect?
Have they repeatedly escaped formal allegations and other efforts from their only real competition in a seemingly miraculous manner as though they are now made of teflon?

Honestly, I have no real idea about your own country and the "way things usually are", but I can tell you things around here "seem" be changing quite a lot.
The most overtly obvious thing to me now is that the press who appear to be exposing the more obvious and offensive changes in policy appear to be getting targeted much more aggressively now and I can't remember things being like that ever, really.
Sure, you might have the occasional corrupt and opinionated officer, but at this point, it feels more like a systematic change in the pace of things for sure.

reply to post by 4N6310


Well.. there was another case where there were suspictions (and some kind of proof) of fraud on the prime-minister licenciature.. but it died out as quick as it came.. the case vanished into thin air..

could use a bit more detail on this, whats this position called in portugese?

reply to post by pieman


"Secretário-Geral do Sistema de Segurança Interna"

Something like "Secretary-General of Internal Security System" (Google Translate)

And i discover a new source:

For the portuguese reading ones -> Socrates escolhe juiz para secretário-geral de segurança interna

Sentence of interest:

"Under the Internal Security Act, the general secretary of Homeland Security will coordinate the functions of police and security forces in situations such as attacks on organs of sovereignty, hospitals, prisons and schools, water supply systems and electricity and roads and public transport. Under the new legislation, the general secretary of Homeland Security will work in direct dependence of the Prime Minister." (Google Translate)

All this just because of bank robbery? And it even doesnt adress it.. This smells fishy to me.. I would understand (not accept tought) this if we were under terrorist menace.. At least here would be a logical reason..

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A good opinion article from a well known portuguese jurist -> As perguntas que não fazemos

Again a nice excerpt, sponsored by Google Translate

"Following the interpretation of the facts, they lose importance and are overcome by a collective emotional climate in which it becomes useless indicators of the confrontation, national and European, on crime. It is a deep sense of insecurity, fed by the media who need news, and the political parties who need it."

Good to know that people in portugal are aware of this, altought not with NWO in mind

Hey there, didn't know there was a Portuguese discussion on this board at all!

I think Socrates is too dumb to even be part of a NWO-ongoing take-over. Things would just be passing right over his head and in front of his nose and he wouldn't care.

I do believe more in "upper interest groups" taking over and riding along the NWO agenda. Corporate interest, energy (Petrogal, owner of Galp) and real-estate tycoons. They have much bigger influence in our country right now than any other political figure such as a prime-minister.

And putting Cavaco Silva in office as President (a mere puppet figure, with no real power and decision influence) is even more outrageous! We've been having the same faces for the last 20 years (former 1986-96 President Mário Soares, said to be a Freemason, ran for in '06, former Social Democrat ministress Manuela Ferreira Leite, from Cavaco Silva's late 80's-early 90's and Barroso's 02-04 offices, now President of the Social Democrat party)! We AREN'T going forward! And there's definately "someone" who doesn't want us to go forward.

And I do believe we'll be in the frontline for this NWO transition, due to our continuing master-slave relationship with the US (for instance, take the Açores Meeting Against Terrorism with Barroso kissing W Bush's ass, Aznar and that whole bunch of corrupts).

Portuguese here also

Translation of the first article as best as I could



Sócrates chooses judge for general-secretary of Internal Security
2008-08-29

The prime minister, José Sócrates, has chosen judge-counselor Mário Mendes to occupy the new position of general-secretary of the Internal Security System.

picture MANUEL MOURA/LUSA
Sócrates chooses judge for general-secretary of Internal Security
Judge Mário Mendes


The invitation to the judge-counselour , currently exercizing functions in the Supreme Tribunal of Justice , came up after a proposition from the ministers of the Internal and Justice Administration , according to the office of the boss of the Government.

The position of general secretary of the internal Security System was created in accordance to the Internal Security Law, published in "Diário da República" on this Friday.

In addition to the magisterate functions, Mário Mendes , according to report of the prime-minister's office, "has a vast curriculum, having exercized the functions of general-director of the Judiciary Police , main technical counselor for the area of the Internal Administration and Justice together with REPER, in Bruxelas, and director of the Judiciary Studies Center".

For the choice to come into effect, the Superior Council of the Magistrate will have to give consent to the service comission of Mário Mendes to exerce the position and, in the terms of the new internal Security Law, there will be an audittion in the Assembly of the Republic.

According to the Internal Security Law, the general-secretary of the Internal Security will have coordination functions over the police force and of security in situations such as attacks against sovereignty organs, hospitals, prisons and schools, replenishment ystems of water and electricity, as well as roads and collective transport.

According to the new legislation, the general-secretary of Internal Security will function in direct dependence to the prime-minister.

Just to keep things into perspective, since people outside Portugal dont really know what happens there.

There is in Portugal a long, long tradition of politcally nominated officials. These appear in all areas, police, army, local government, tax, councils, etc. There's nothing new about the fact itself. Secondly, there is also a long , long tradition in Portugal of creacting these pompous all powerfull positions , in order to place friends in there, or, to look like the government is actually doing something.

None of the above is new, or should constitue any surprise.

If you look attentively to this guy's task he is in charge of:

...'coordination functions over the police force and of security in situations such as attacks against sovereignty organs, hospitals, prisons and schools, replenishment ystems of water and electricity, as well as roads and collective transport. '

This means , he will not do anything that does not fall already under the umbrella of normal police activities. What's more, he will, also in the long Portuguese tradition , do nothing relevant to sort the problem that created his job, because , the increase in crime is related to increasingly organized and powerful criminal associations, which for the most part , target individual property and individuals, that, as we saw before , do not fall under his tasks.

Quite honestly, this is more of the same, 'jobs for the boys', they're part of the Portuguese culture.



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