South African Top Secret locations

OK, so we all know that there was a big UFO crash near Kimberly, South Africa back around the time of Rosswell '47 and coincidentally it has always been a UFO hotspot over there for many years. I have had also friends with supposed close encounters there.

My brother who lives in Stellenbosch has been telling me about a top secret base in South Africa called Spieskop (Spearhead) where people have been claiming to see some real weird things going on ala Are 51.

Another area of interest that I cannot find anything on is the Simonstown Naval base which is called Silver mine. My father was in the Navy there and said that the base was built into the mountain and that he was only allowed to go down 3 levels after which it was strictly top secret. This base is about 20 Miles from Capetown.

I am having a hard time finding any information on them, has anyone on here got anything on it or can point me in the right direction? I live in Dallas TX now so it is hard for me to get local information other than from my brother.

Thanks

Hi Mike

I was in the South African military way back in 1999 to 2000 for my compulsory military service and based in 10 AA (anti aircraft unit) Regiment in Youngsfield, Cape Town.
Silvermine is located in the hills above Simonstown (where the naval base is located) and is not actually part of the base (although I am not sure if it is a Joint Command or purely Naval). Part of the reason for its secrecy was that it was used to as a monitoring (radio/radar) station but also plays a role in civilian services. For example, the rescue of passengers from the cruise ship Oceanos that sank off the Wild Coast was coordinated from Silvermine.
www.oceanossinking.com...

There were always rumours abounding about it more secretive role, but in those days, conspiracies and UFO's were the least of our worries.

MIke, have you tried contacting the South African Ufologists for more info regarding your guery. They have a poor website here:
SAUFOR

But I am sure there are some contacts to be found.

Off topic but the Zimbarbwe Ariel school case from the 90's is getting more attention at present. John Mack originally investigated the case and now a film maker is there making a documentary about it. So if anyone in the region is on ATS and has info on bases, thay may also have some new info on the Ariel Case. More info on Mack's sight.
Anyone?

[edit on 3-9-2008 by serpentine]

Originally posted by deltaalphanovember
MIke, have you tried contacting the South African Ufologists for more info regarding your guery. They have a poor website here:
SAUFOR

But I am sure there are some contacts to be found.

Thanks man, yeah I checked out SAUFOR before but did not see anything and that site seems to not really have much going for it, I might need to check out in their forums if they have them.

Mike, here is a link to another ATS topic which I thought you might find interesting:

Further to this there is also speculation about a South African underground military research base simply called Camp 13. Located in the Kalahari desert it is rumoured to have been used as a laser weapons research facility and was responsible for shooting down the UFO after Mirage jet fighters "herded" it in the general direction of the camp as they could not keep up with it.

The Kalahari UFO Crash

I have heard quite a bit about this one as well. There is also apparently a secret base (not sure if it the same one as referred to in the post) on the border between Botswana and South Africa but I am still searching for more info on it.

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Listen you are look looking in the wrong place. i live close to the simons town military base and there is not much there. in fact a large part of it today is open to tourists. if you want a secret destination look up pelendaba research facility in pretoria. its a top secret chemical and biological weapons research facility

hey does anyone know anything about the restricted military base in Klawer Valley just above Simonstown? just heard about it now, apparently its used for weapons testing..

LOL??

I live in South Africa and I know of the stories about the Kalahari Crash and how fighter jets were (supposedly) scrambled from Valhalla Airbase in Pretoria to intercept another etc etc... We all know the cloak & dagger stories...

BUT a base here in my land? In my opinion, maybe... Under our old Government.... BUT DAMN SURE HELL NO with our current, oh-so-intelligent-Well-Not-Really, governhuuuument.

Unless... You bypass the current governhuuument all together and do it on some remote farm in the Northern Cape.. Then it can work.

Nudge Nudge Wink Wink

deltaalphanovember


there was NO compulsory military service in South Africa between 1999 2000...that ended with the old government.

do you think the us military created the mayan civilization

and do you like marshmallows by the camp fire?

well do u really think the only people in this country with high-level clearance are the dimwits in the ANC? and seeing as they are so dumb, or too busy counting their 4x4's, do you think they would really care about or be involved with any top-secret activity going on?

one guy in another thread said there is apparently some weird business going on near Molteno in the Eastern Cape. would really like to find out more about that.

[edit on 9-12-2008 by nomorelies]

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I agree, I think most governments, including this one are merely puppets with some incredibly intelligent and devious puppet-masters pulling their strings.
Some people became incredibly wealthy in a very short period of time after 1994 and would do anything to keep things the way they are.

We can just hope that some disenfranchised or disillusioned ex-agent comes forward someday.

yea i think there's lots that is hidden and lots to be uncovered both now and from the past. sounds like a job for Derek Watts!
but personally i think there are likely to be organisations operating entirely independently from the government.

I lived in ZA for several years and got to know a particular group of Afrikaners, one of which who had a braai one evening and mentioned to me and some other guys that there were hidden caves or caches on Table Mountain that had been sealed up near the end of the old government. That was the only time I heard someone say something like that and other guys who were members of various Kommandos didn't have much to say about it.

I would think that there would be some form of shadow government that still exists in South Africa regardless of who is running the country now. If there was one in the past there might be one now.
There are just way too many stories out there that would make me think this. Chances are that none of the ANC leaders might actually even know about any of this.

Veyr interesting indeed Ill take a look where I can

Guys, if you are going to research things, please get a decent map. I understand that not everybody is from South Africa, or have visited the country, also distances can be confusing... near might mean a couple of miles to one person, but to somebody else near might mean a couple of hundred miles....

There is another thread on ATS of somebody looking for similar info....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

A few points.... Klawer is not near Simonstown or Cape Town, it is up the West Coast, so no direct connection between Simonstown (Silvermine) and Klawer.... Also, the Kalahari is a rather large area of which the largest part is in South Africa, parts in Botswana, and parts in Namibia.

As per my comment in the link above, I assume you are not looking for military bases or where they designed, build, and tested nuclear missiles.

I have not come across any talk of secret facilities outside of the military and nuclear areas.

I was in the South African Air Force (1985 - 1989) and also came across the Kalahari UFO story. Military service was compulsory, so you had no choice to spend your time there, but sitting on the Namibian border, you had time on your hands, so I decided to gather what information I could. I was firstly threatened that I would be disciplined for "wasting the government's time and money" while investing. I ignored that thread, the second one I was called in, threatened with arrest and DB (detention) as I was apparently overstepping my security clearance scratching "for things that don't exist". So I stopped as I did not need a record at that stage in my life....

I was in the communications section of the Air Force, and had friends at HQ in Pretoria, and we also worked closely with the guys in what we called OPS (operations, they controlled flight plans, mission orders, etc.).

I found out that the captain (pilot of the mirage aircraft) was at some stage employed by the SA Air Force. I could not find his force number that was supplied in the article in any records, but while enquiring about it, I was threatened for the first time.

The mission order numbers turned out to be blank (not used). This is bull, because each flight gets a mission order number, if for any reason the flight does not take place, the number is assigned to the next flight... you don't get "open" or blank mission order numbers... the number quoted in the article apparently was blank. The reason I was given was that it was a mistake, it was for a mirage flight from Pretoria to Grootfontein that refueled in Upinton, they incorrectly assigned a new number in Upington, and to correct the mistake, they left the number blank... I don't believe that. The aircraft number from the article did exist and belonged to a mirage aircraft, at that stage stationed at Upington Airforce base. I could not find too much detail about the THOR or any laser-type weapon, but I believe such a weapon could have existed.

The story goes that the UFO was shot down over the Kalahari, that there were beings alive and dead found. Apparently the craft was taken by road to Saldanha habour, loaded on a US ship and taken to the USA. That was the version I was working on at the time.

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Yes there is a secret base above simonstown it is officially called the Naval firefighting training and testing facility and is used for testing fire fighting equipment for use on board ship that is levels 1+2 Level 3 is the NBC training facility and is used in training the Specialist reconisance teams in NBC procedures etc level 4 is an admin area off limits unles you have an approprate MZ clearance levels 5-8 are communications and back up computer systems on a mirror with Pretoria and Silvermine GHQ Level 9-12 was the Nuclear /Biological reasearch facility and has since been sealed off with concrete and all airvents similarly sealed of with concrete where these were linked to these levels.