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Originally posted by ChChKiwi
I'm not trying to knock you down, I'm just adding my two bits, as others can and do as well.
Originally posted by stikkinikki The constant bumping of this thread strikes me as grandiose.
There is where I disagree with you.
Originally posted by MarsFanMag
It starts adding-up to a LOT of elements that, seen as a whole with the 'Statue", the 'skeleton' next to it, the clear paths, the 'stairs', the 'cut wall', all leading to the 'Statue', the 'flagging' remnants at the bottom of this Cape St.Vincent site, part of Victoria Crater walls, point to their artificiality.
Classical Mediterranean Pythagoras Early Greek philosophers alluded to a spherical earth, though with some ambiguity.[3] This idea influenced Pythagoras (b. 570 BCE), who saw harmony in the universe and sought to explain it. He reasoned that Earth and the other planets must be spheres, since the most harmonious geometric solid form is a sphere[1]. After the fifth century BCE, no Greek writer of repute thought the world was anything but round.[3]
I am not determined to think anything (maybe that is the biggest difference between us), what I think about those photos is based in the way I interpret what I see, the only determination I have is in looking for more data, only with good can we reach any conclusion.
Originally posted by MarsFanMag
Mmh, OK, you are REALLY determined to think, that this site presents nothing but geological normality, to you, the statue is is 'normal rock', the paths are just 'normal natural ways', as far as I can sum it up, so I presume that everything else, like the smooth flat surface in the sort of alcove I point to, or the JAR-shape, or anything else would seem perfectly normal, as natural, to you...well it's you, isn't it, it's your conviction, your way of not willing to open your mind to: how else, what else could it be?
I know that experiment, and it shows how a brilliant mind can appear at any place at any time, it only needs an opportunity to shine, and those ancient Greeks had plenty of opportunities.
An Ancient Greek, Pythagoras, him with the famous Maths Theorem, SHOWED that the Earth was round, and lead the path to else...truths that ARE TRUTHS NOW, it took a change of MILLENNIUM!
I do not doubt that the things are there, I doubt that those things are what people say they are, and the evidences shown by everyone I have seen do not really prove that their interpretation is right.
A lot of people show things that really exist. On YOU TUBE VIDEOS included.
I only watch Euronews while I take my breakfast, besides that I only use TV to see movies and cartoons (yes, I am a cartoon fan ).
Perhaps when we turn our TVs OFF we start being calm...away from all this so deeply anchored system we grew up with... I like my calm and silent. Here at this time no-one can tell me what to believe, since I'm on my own, with my sleeping cat and my Friend, Silence!
And you do not look stubborn by not believing those things are natural? Where is the line between stubbornness and persistence? Am I stubborn because my ideas are not the same as yours? Do you think that if the situation was reversed you would consider myself as stubborn because I believed in the artificiality of those things?
If you disbelieve all of it, you'd look so stubborn...
I also see those "discoveries", and I also ask questions to clear my doubts, but I ask questions about everything because I doubt everything, the only difference is that I find less reasons to doubt that those are natural features than reasons to doubt its artificiality.
I see, watch plenty of discoveries, now is the time to show what we see. If I doubt a thing, I will ask questions, if the thing is a hoax I will react to it, badly. My and others' things are no hoax. The references or findings I give HERE are SERIOUS.
I did not start seeing similarities, I see those similarities in almost all photos posted on ATS or on (the few) YouTube videos I see, but seeing similarities does not mean that things are what they look like. The fact that an egg is similar to a ping-pong ball does not mean it is a ping-pong ball.
The fact you start seeing similarities with the pre-Inca mount I showed on "Egyptian Startue on Mars?"-- same topic, St VINCENT site, which I do recognise and respect as a CEMETARY, should start telling you to stop, systematically as you do, DENYING these findings, because, honestly, it starts making you look like one of these stale sceptics who were ADAMANT that the Earth was flat, just to get good points from their political party...
OK, if that is your reaction to people who try to show you that there is another possibility than the one you think the best, fine by me, but don't expect me to stop posting just because you don't like it.
My last attempt of answer with you ArMaP, I'm afraid, reply the same stereotyped way and that'll be it for me
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by MarsFanMag
The truth is, very few if any educated people believed the Earth was flat. Christopher Columbus did not sail to prove the world was round, he knew it was round, those that sponsored his voyages knew it was round, almost everyone knew it was round. Columbus didn't even sail all the way. Magellan did sail around the world but not to prove that it was round. Again, it was accepted that the world was round.
You need to use better logic than, "Skeptics thought the world was flat and they were wrong. You think these are natural features, so I am right".
[edit on 26-9-2008 by Phage]
Originally posted by MarsFanMag
Oh THAT, excuse me Sir, but what you state is a massive LIE. Just like you lied about Van FLANDERN, it was NOT 2001, it was 2006. NO. Before even the Portuguese set to SEAS, and Oceans, and to the Last South Cape in Africa, (ooops...AND didn't FALL DOWN!!!!), a large MAJORITY of this world actually BELIEVED, still, that the Eart was FLAT. No one could remember Pythagoras, if they did, it was a few, and they were either very scared of getting burnt, or hiding the fact for their own holy benefits.
It's a bit like nowadays and the Maddy-case. This poor little Child is away, far far away to a place where we will ALL be, the difference being, we will have had a life in between. It takes ONE Portuguese person to expose the truth. And how brave, given that he had no 'sponsors' as you call the PT authorities at the time of Columbus.
Artificial Structures on Mars
Tom Van Flandern Meta Research, Washington, DC
Hotel New Yorker Crystal Room - May 8, 2001
Originally posted by MarsFanMag
reply to post by Phage
Some people try to post error photos to try and pass me as an imbecile.