is the bible a government experiment?

i am curious to find out if there is any merit behind the idea that religion is a government experiment.

[edit on 2-9-2008 by nn53x]

reply to post by nn53x

Which government? Since the bible predates any modern governments, if this were true, it would have to point back to ancient civilizations which had other agendas which were pretty self-serving and really would not have benefited from it's citizens worshiping God. If by government, you mean "church" that is another story which is more plausible. That "tithing" always made me wonder why God would want me to give 10% of my money or possessions to the church. I mean it's one thing to make an offering to help support the church, by why would a omnipotent being care about worldly possessions?
Visa/Mastercard and Paypal gladly excepted... It's sort of reminds me of these internet sites peddling their wares. Your salvation for $9.99/month, wow what a bargain.

I am really just kidding around here.. but what made ya think the government has something to do with the bible?

[That "tithing" always made me wonder why God would want me to give 10% of my money or possessions to the church. I mean it's one thing to make an offering to help support the church, by why would a omnipotent being care about worldly possessions?]

I agree with the poster above me except for this part .

The Lord doesnt care about worldy goods but he does care that we give to the poor and needy ..
I personally do not believe that he meant for the Church peoples to do as they do with the money that comes in .IN fact I am sure he doesnt approve of the waste of that money and the fact that most of it just goes towards the preacher who is pretty well off from the members gifts and tithes (Which is wrong too )
In fact those preachers should live just on what little they scratch out and the rest should go to the poor if he were truly a born again believer in Christ .
He would not be benefitting so much on their tithes.

Me personally I do not give to any Church
I give to my friends neighbors strangers whoever is truly needy for food etc
And I would suggest that to anyone who asked me.
Sure some could be given to the church maybe as long as that Church didnt spend too much on their HUGE FANCY BUILDINGS and on themselves .
If they did I would pull back my tithes and find someone else who could really really use it.

I also tell my friends who attend church and give their 10 % that if your giving to your church and your not doing for your friends,family and strangers first then your not really doing anything and may not even get counted as a good deed.
Do you really think that God would approve of you giving 200.00 or even 100.00 to your rich preacher while your own relatives are in the streets begging for bread ?Its very sad .We are to start in our own houses and our neighborhood etc .They are the ones truly in need if you ask me .
Of course just my 2 cents worth .

Sorry I got off topic.
As far as the Gov and the bible .
I do believe they use it as a tool as did many other Gov. and organized religions throughout history .
If you think about it just about every generation has used some book or books as tools to control,brainwash etc. that does not make those books (or bibles) bad .Its the people who use it in that way that is bad.

Hindus Budhists etc use the Vedic and other such books to keep their people in line
Christianity (some) use the bible to keep their peoples in line
Islam the Koran
Jews the Kabbala or whatever other books they use (Including their daily musings which they write to give their twist to keeping them all in line using the OT as a reference and changing it to suit their purpose.)
And on and on it goes .

One more thing
Before anyone can start in about Bush and co (supposed Christians)
Please read about a sect called the Dominionists (and many branch offs in with this sect) you will get a better idea of what types of supposed christians are running our Gov right now and why they are doing what they are doing.
Here is a good link
The Dominionists
Radical Religion vs. The Environment
www.bibleufo.com...

Here is another one
DOMINIONISM
(A.K.A. CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCTIONISM,
DOMINION THEOLOGY, AND THEONOMY)
www.religioustolerance.org...

These people are your EXTREME religious right
And they have managed to slither into alot of denominations and now they are in many Churchs and spreading like crazy .There are many branches to them as well "Latter Rain movement,Rick Warren etc etc etc etc ...so many I couldnt name them all in this thread.
Do some digging you will see what I mean.


[edit on 2-9-2008 by Simplynoone]

Originally posted by mapsurfer_
reply to post by nn53x

 

Which government? Since the bible predates any modern governments, if this were true, it would have to point back to ancient civilizations which had other agendas which were pretty self-serving and really would not have benefited from it's citizens worshiping God. If by government, you mean "church" that is another story which is more plausible. That "tithing" always made me wonder why God would want me to give 10% of my money or possessions to the church. I mean it's one thing to make an offering to help support the church, by why would a omnipotent being care about worldly possessions?
Visa/Mastercard and Paypal gladly excepted...

It's sort of reminds me of these internet sites peddling their wares. Your salvation for $9.99/month, wow what a bargain.

I am really just kidding around here.. but what made ya think the government has something to do with the bible?

well, the way my life has progressed, i've literally done everything that jesus has done in some form or another. i've accessed heaven and hell in the past, died on "the cross" (not a wooden cross but by way of crossing) and was resurrected 10 miles away from where i originally died. went into the light and was greeted by intelligent beings outside of space time that showed me books written in languages that don't exist on earth. i've healed people in the past, had a lot of strange experiences, including one where i realized the meaning of life and actually felt it. basically, my mom acknowledges it and a few of my girlfriends knew about it and a few friends, who all have said i must be god incarnate. i think i realized midway through my life that i was the only conscious person that existed and i guess i kind of identified with deities at an early age.

but anyway, someone that's been following my online activity has been telling me i am part of some elaborate government experiment, which is why i wanted to know if there's any evidence for that. they referred to me as "eric truman" which kind of goes with my notion that i am the only conscious person that exists.

i also had independent verifications from people who know about chi energy and how it manifests itself. apparently, when i died, the kundalini energy at the base of the spine tried to escape back into infinite consciousness but when i was resurrected it got stuck in the top of my head, where the seed of pure consciousness is said to be located. i actually didn't know this until i explained the situation to someone and the somatic experiences i having.

so i'm thinking the bible might have been a blueprint for god's conscious incarnation on earth constructed by people in government.

If I were an old king and wanted the free people to flock to me I would write something almost exactly like a bible. Make the people scared of a fictitious evil-do'er (satan) whilst offering them answers and protection. Now replace satan with terrorist and you can see that they are still doing it.

To me the bible/god thing is an extension of santa clause. Just replace presents with heaven and no presents with hell and presto! - a way to keep the people in line.

You have to be sceptical of anything in which belief goes against all forms of common sense, and which makes it wrong to not believe, and even attempts to scare you into believing.

Wont you be surprised when you find out it was not just a fairy tale at all .
I can think of many things that I thought were just a fairy tale and they have come true.
We used to think that being able to talk to millions of people at the same time and download music galore and watch movies without even leaving the house to rent them etc etc etc ..was all in a fairy tale world .Now they are trying to hook up our brains and our blood vessels to a computer and now have a computer that can LEARN and THINK for itself with human like abilities that was all a fairy tale for sure wasnt it >?Now what do you think ?
Did you watch that on that post
Its called In Its Image check it out .

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NN53X,

Believe it, you are not the only conscious person stuck on the planet.. There is something to the kundalini experience you describe. Whether it is the holy spirit or whatever is debatable by I get the same sort experience.. that is.. a tingling sensation that emanated from the base of my spine, shoots up thru my skull. I attribute this to a spiritual higher power, mainly because I get this feeling when I pray. I have had some most bizarre visions, etc which I attribute to my spirituality but it is very personal to me, and hard to air in a public forum without sounding like a complete lunatic. I will tell ya tho, that your experiences are more common than you might suspect... there is something to it, but I am not certain what it is.. Maybe you can start another thread along those lines.. u2u me if you do, and I will contribute what I can. I think there are many others who have greater experience and knowledge, but its is definitely an interesting topic..

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Wont you be surprised when you find out it was not just a fairy tale at all .
I can think of many things that I thought were just a fairy tale and they have come true.
We used to think that being able to talk to millions of people at the same time and download music galore and watch movies without even leaving the house to rent them etc etc etc ..was all in a fairy tale world...

I can think of many things that I thought were true and which were just a fairy tale; in fact I gave you an example in my first post. Santa.

We all used to think we would be driving around in flying cars and getting our food from a wall - a la Jetsons - by the year 2000. By alas all we got is microwaves that probably cause cancer and stinkin', pollutin' cars (albeit less pollutin' and stinkin' then they used to be).

I really don't mean to start an argument - I have my beliefs and you have yours and in the end none of us is going to be right; they're just beliefs. So... no point in arguin' but I can not and never will believe in the bible's version of a god.

Originally posted by mapsurfer_
reply to post by nn53x

 

NN53X,

Believe it, you are not the only conscious person stuck on the planet.. There is something to the kundalini experience you describe. Whether it is the holy spirit or whatever is debatable by I get the same sort experience.. that is.. a tingling sensation that emanated from the base of my spine, shoots up thru my skull. I attribute this to a spiritual higher power, mainly because I get this feeling when I pray. I have had some most bizarre visions, etc which I attribute to my spirituality but it is very personal to me, and hard to air in a public forum without sounding like a complete lunatic. I will tell ya tho, that your experiences are more common than you might suspect... there is something to it, but I am not certain what it is.. Maybe you can start another thread along those lines.. u2u me if you do, and I will contribute what I can. I think there are many others who have greater experience and knowledge, but its is definitely an interesting topic..

i don't claim to have all the facts in front of me. it seems that the information seeps out in doses that make it easier to handle. if i were to be revealed all the information at the wrong time i would probably not be able to deal with it at all. essentially though, i am not trying to make a case for why i am ahead of the curve as far as spiritual experiences are concerned. however, i did make a concerted effort to become the only consciousness as it was revealed that consciousness itself is a singular event at any given moment. there is no such thing as multiple simultaneous consciousness, at least in the way i understand it. there is subjective consciousness, which is only localized consciousness that is produced by the body's own awareness. i am not denying that that exists for everyone. what i am saying is that because of the abuse of consciousness on this plane of existence, it cannot and should not end up in the wrong hands when it is consciousness in the absolute sense.

one of the passages of the bible said something about "when he returns, all eyes will see him simultaneously" and what i am trying to say is that on an absolute level of consciousness, my life is being broadcasted. in this sense, i don't really have to prove that i am here because in a non-local absolute sense, i am here.

so subjectively i can sense that it's not just my own local consciousness that i am viewing but an absolute one. in this sense, you don't have to really believe that it's happening because you'd only be speaking of your own sense of reality from your vantage point, which is perfectly fine. what i am saying is that this is not occurring in a vacuum. it's not that i am conscious of my existence, it's that consciousness itself is aware of mine.

this is simply because my life is a representation of the truth and i cannot break away from that, and frankly, i wouldn't want to.

i think the real premise of the bible and dying for the sins of humanity was a metaphorical way of saying, he lived his life so ALL of you don't have to suffer consciously in an absolute sense. that's what i feel i am doing. i am keeping the nature of consciousness singular by offering myself as a sacrifice through one unified human being while doing what i said i would do as outlined. otherwise, i feel that on an absolute level the consciousness of the world would be a hodge podge of divided and non-sequitur life energies becoming conscious simultaneously in a strange and ridiculous admixture of chaotic stimuli.

consciousness to me has always been very direct and almost a feeling of touching the very fabric of reality. many people don't understand when i explain this, but it's the difference between a tv broadcasting with nobody watching and the entire world watching.

[We all used to think we would be driving around in flying cars]

LOL yes well that is on its way.
I actually saw the Moeller sky car at the state fair a couple of years ago I even bought a model of one
It was awesome
www.moller.com...

Google: Council of Nicea.

Go to jordanmaxwell.com

You are damn right it's a government conspiracy - a Babylonian one

Not at all religion and governments are two different things. But I don't blame you for asking this these days. Because they make it seem like this. Everything goes around is related to religion. You know why.. I think because its what people are arguing about forever they make deals and things to make people busy with this. To make you put a full stop mark in your head and make it the primary thing to discuss and forget about everything that goes underground. About giving needy people, its good to do so for me it makes me feel better and satisfied, I wouldn't want to be in their place asking for money. Who know then maybe you will be broke and that poor man you helped will help you hahaha.

Religion is a tool, will always be. It is a means to an end. ALL RELIGIONS. Religion by definiton is the beilef of a higher power that cannot be percieved. It is a means to control people by threatening them with the unknown. christinatity, islam, buddhism, all the major religions feed on the fact that alot of people are lost in thier lives and are looking for answers. Instead of looking inward to take account for thier choices they happily lay the blame on this mystical being whom guides your life and decides that you cannot succeed or have a good life. "you f'ed up...live with it!"---Charles Knott

[edit on 5-9-2008 by djvexd]