The LHC was a bad idea from the start

Dont black holes need like the energy of a dead star or something to sustain? I doubt theres going to be enough energy to create a black hole.

im just gonna make sure im as far away from that thing as possible when it turns on lol.

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
im just gonna make sure im as far away from that thing as possible when it turns on lol.

New Zealand is as far away as you can get.

But if the black hole falls through the Earth that's where it's going to go.

the hilarity of all these posts worrying about cern is above and beyond funny. How do you figure they have no clue what it will do? It isnt our first atom smasher its just a biggewr atom smasher... the amount of initial mass that will be colliding is so insignifigant that in most likeyhood nothing is gonna happen. Oh i know your gonna spout about micro black hole but lol its micro tiny on the quantum scale tiny.... they will be closed off by quantum fluctuation.. not only that since the initial mass is so low it ouwld take years and years for it to become as massive as a grapefruit. Not only that but cern has built in features to caontain the energies released. The chamber in which the collosions occur is like a tocomac reactor its magnetic feilds can hold in check 20-30 million degree plasma which really creates vastly more energy vastly stronger magnetic feilds and its containable no sweat.... cern isnt going to destroy the world if anything it will vastly further our understanding of the basic nature of reality. the prospect of finding sparticles and the higgs-boson supper symmatry and all the other fantastic probable particles far far far out weighs any microscopic concerns.....

i truley wonder when i read these threads if anyone is actually looking at the facts or they are just seeding unfounded irrational fears they picked up who knows where

Who cares? You won't feel it anyway. If it does create some Earth swallowing black hole I mean.

I am hoping for the best with this. "They" never tell us everything a new machine or project does, so I'm hoping it's actually a wormhole creator (The Mist Movie) Or maybe even a time traveling project.

All I'm saying is have high hopes, because like I said if it goes bad you won't feel it anyway.

Either we all die as a race nuking each other or we make an advancement greater than anyone ever expected.

I thought the theory of black a hole is that they start feeding. They feed until there is nothing around them to feed anymore. It is too chancy for too little gain.

Science is not the ultimate truth.

Science does not even fully understand waves and particles and you want them to try and create a mini black hole they do not know for sure exists or not but they also state they feed and grow until there is nothing to feed off of anymore.

Sounds pretty damn iffy to me.

I would feel more comfortable if they had the container in a rocket ready to offload from the earth in case it went all wrong. Until they an do that it should be put on hold.





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Why are half the people here thinking that the point of CERN is to try and create black holes?

At least that's the way they write their posts.

Im sick of people harking criticism towards the LHC. they have a very good idea of what its going to do< and no its not going to destroy the world people are told minimal information that leads them to believe this thing is dangerous its not okay let me give you some knowledge:

Of those worried about micro black holes swallowing the earth here are some facts

The LHC lacks power, just because it is massive doesn't mean its powerful. the LHC uses at peak 14 electron volts which is about the energy of a few mosquito's.

Nature is much more powerful than the LHC. Collisions thousands of times more powerful than the LHC happen in the ionosphere all the time and the earth is still here.

Even if it created a microscopic black hole it would be a billionth of a billionth the size of atom. due to hawking radiation a black hole if created would be created inside of a vacuum this means there is nothing for a micro black hole to "eat" and it will evaporate in a trillionth of a second not even long enough to damage the machine.

THE BOTTOM LINE

The LHC will usher in a new era for science. we could learn the secret to gravity, what happened after the big bang, how matter forms, discovery of new dimensions, or we could find out that the standard model is completely false. This is the most exciting thing you or i will ever experience.

The LHC is worth more than the 5.8 billion that was spent on it.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
I thought the theory of black a hole is that they start feeding. They feed until there is nothing around them to feed anymore. It is too chancy for too little gain.

Science is not the ultimate truth.

Science does not even fully understand waves and particles and you want them to try and create a mini black hole they do not know for sure exists or not but they also state they feed and grow until there is nothing to feed off of anymore.

Sounds pretty damn iffy to me.

I would feel more comfortable if they had the container in a rocket ready to offload from the earth in case it went all wrong. Until they an do that it should be put on hold.[edit on 2-9-2008 by LoneGunMan]

First: Nobody knows anything about black holes except from science. The concept comes right from the math that defines relativity. Science may not be absolute truth, but if you exclude it here, you LITERALLY KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THE SUBJECT.

So, pretty much, you have to take their word on it, or do all the math and experiments yourself. Otherwise, you're cherry picking the parts of science that agree with your predisposed belief, and you may as well be talking out your butt. if the very people who discovered and told you the very concept of a black hole is don't think a microscopic one created from a particle accelerator would end the world, that's the only opinion that has any weight, unless somebody's got better math they can show you.

Seriously, though, black holes do suck in matter through gravitational effects, and gain mass by that. They also (according to more recent discoveries) loose mass through hawking radiation. The key here, is that black holes have no real electromagnetic interaction. Their interaction with matter is purely gravitational. Gravity, of course, is by far the weakest force. A micro black hole isn't going to go around sucking up planets because atoms are almost completely empty space, and a black hole is a singularity, making it take up only a single point in space. one could quite concieveably travel through the entire planet without hitting a single atom. And it'd take a lot more than a paltry few atoms to give it enough gravity to actually start sucking in atoms by itself, like how black holes are typically portrayed.
Having only the mass of a few particles plus change in energy, a micro black hole isn't going to go around sucking anything in. A golf ball has untold trillions of times more mass, and therefore, gravity, than such a micro black hole.

There's also the whole- Any potential black hole would be created by a collision between streams of particles traveling a large fraction of the speed of light, the chances of anything created by such a collision not having better than a half dozen kilometers per second in residual velocity being so close to zero that it's ridiculous -thing.

meaning that, since magnetic fields aren't going to hold a black hole in, any micro black hole would just fly right through the earth, tangent to the beam that spawned it, and fly right out into space, most likely without touching a single particle on the way.

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Why risk it? I don't really give a crap how the universe was made. I care about bills, work, and my family.

Well, I care how the universe was made. Far more, to be honest, than I care about your bills, your work and your family.

Forward the march of science! Bring on the LHC! To perdition with the Luddites and paranoiacs!

almost every human endeavour has had is ` doom sayers `

columbus was told he would fail - but went anyway

doomsayers claimed that travelling above 30mph would be fatal to humans - but now we have supersonic manned vehicles

if we always listened to the doomsayers - we would never have done anything

Was ATS around in 1999? I bet the Y2K thing had everyone going nuts too.

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Well how is the LHC more important than your families i think most of the people here actually DO care more about their families or just innocent people for that matter more then the LHC seriously.

And isnt it funny how the people who are saying they think everyhings going to be absolutely fine are being eiher rude or just ignorant and the people saying they have concerns are being a hell of alot more polite to people.

Istill dont understand why the people who just have thiir concerns are getting their heads ripped off here nobody knows whats going to happen so why cant we all just face that WE DONT KNOW anything could happen maybe something will maybe it wont either way its gonna be an exciting day when they turn it on.

Originally posted by billyjoinedat2k8
Istill dont understand why the people who just have thiir concerns are getting their heads ripped off here

It's frustration. Why? Cause people seem to think that these micro black holes are just like the black holes found in the centre of galaxies, when in fact they are not. This has been explained here and on so many LHC threads. Hence the frustration.

Originally posted by Schmidt1989
I don't think its going to end the world. But if it does, who cares? I would be extremely proud to know that I died at the end of the world, how many people (throughout history) can say that?

I get your point here, but how many dead people can say they died at all?

extra line, per rules

Wow, I cant believe that noboday has mentioned this yet but.....

Someone said earlier, the outcome may be that a discovery is made that will be able to power the whole world on very little (a handful of sand I think they said). So what does this say about space travel? A lot more of it will be able to be done thats for sure.

Hey, maybe ET's beat us to this technology and thats how they have been traveling the universe (if they are real of course).

as far as I know black holes are just scientific theory? also heres one for you what if tptb are trying to open a perminent rift in space-time to hell e.g. atom bombs created small rifts & this is then end product = hell on Earth

Well, millions of particles hit particles in atmosphere of earth every single day, and most have higher energy levels than the ones they are going to smash together in that particle accelerator. None of those millions of particles a day have destroyed earth yet, and it has been going on for about 5 billion years by now..

I'll make my bet on the safe side of things. Nothing bad will happen.

Most people just don't themselves have a clue nor any valid premise to get a clue from, when they go ahead and predict doomsday scenarios.

[edit on 3/9/08 by rawsom]