Sun Makes History: First Spotless Month in a Century

Great I'm sure our Governments will find some way to blame humans for the lack of sunspots and immediately apply a stealth tax on us for it.

Perhaps people will finally clock onto the fact that the sun decides the temperature of the planet, not humans

Originally posted by GodshipForAll
ahhh so the calm before the Solar Storm....

I think Earths planetary boat is gonna be rocked soon...

[edit on 1-9-2008 by GodshipForAll]

That is the same thing I was thinking when I read the OP.

reply to post by saturnine_sweet

Problem is, ozone depletion from CFC's has nothing to do with the man-made global warming hoax, other than being a piece of unrelated evidence that is held up to the uneducated to make them think there is real science behind it. CFC interaction with ozone is a repeatable, scientific interaction.

Repeatable but the bought and paid for scientists never tell you the measurements are downwind of a continuously active volcano putting out more CFC's in an hour than humans do in a year. www.accesstoenergy.com...

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i don't know about everyone else, but i consider this to be a good sign for things to come! i think the whole solar system, and even the galaxy, is working out some kinks right now, and maybe 4th Density isn't so far off after all!

My husband and I were just comparing notes on bad winters (snow piled to the top of the roof, blizards and frost bite) and comparing them to low sunspot minima. They match so we expect a really bad winter this year or next since the weather lags the sunspots by about a year. My equines are growing winter coats in the middle of August....In the south!

We do have a very important part to play in the climate especially in regards to green house gases, this video helps explain the most basic concept of global warming and how green house gases cause it.



I also made a thread about the evidence for short term global cooling amongst an overall trend of global warming here.

[edit on 2-9-2008 by -Klaus-]

Objection!!!

"Greenhouse Gasses" do NOT 'cause' Global warming as you state.

The SUN causes global warming.

If there were no green house gases in the atmosphere the Earth would be a big lump of ice, with too many green house gases the Earth would resemble Venus (with a surface temperature of 450°C).

It is the green house gases that cause excessive warming to occur and it is excessive warming of Earth that represents the concept of global warming, therefore I put to you that it is green house gases that cause global warming rather than the sun.

But you could see it as a chicken or the egg argument, without one you don't have the other. Without the gas sunlight is not trapped and so the Earth loses thermal enegy at a faster rate than it is gained, without sunlight energy cannot be gained at all, without out one or the other there is no global warming.

Originally posted by -Klaus-
If there were no green house gases in the atmosphere the Earth would be a big lump of ice, with too many green house gases the Earth would resemble Venus (with a surface temperature of 450°C).

It is the green house gases that cause excessive warming to occur and it is excessive warming of Earth that represents the concept of global warming, therefore I put to you that it is green house gases that cause global warming rather than the sun.

But you could see it as a chicken or the egg argument, without one you don't have the other. Without the gas sunlight is not trapped and so the Earth loses thermal enegy at a faster rate than it is gained, without sunlight energy cannot be gained at all, without out one or the other there is no global warming.

You're wrong. The SUN is the energy that causes "warming", not Earthly gasses. That is precisely why ALL planets in our solar system are experiencing warming = increased Sun activity.

If your ideas were correct then all other planets besides Earth wouldn't be warming as well.

Can you give me a link showing me the evidence that all other planets are warming?

I stated in my post that is the energy of the sun that enables the process of global warming to occur so I do not disagree with that, but without green house gases the earth would be a big ball of ice no doubt about it. The green house gases trap infrared radiation within the earth allowing energy to accumulate within the climate increasing global temperatures, without green house gases infrared radiation would not be trapped and heat would radiate away from the Earth cooling it.

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Sure. Here you go. We're sure Jupiter, Pluto, Neptune, Mars, and some of Saturn's moons are warming also. Kinda hard to tell about Mercury and Venus.

This to demonstrate that a complex relationships are challenging to understand, but that it is done every day by people who get off their butts and apply the elbow grease.




so, we can control the weather?

because that's what lies at the heart of all this, the belief that we can somehow stop climate or better yet, freeze it at the supposed 'optimum' conditions during the 1940s or 80s.it at the supposed 'optimum during the 1940s or 80s.

show me.

Originally posted by -Klaus-
Can you give me a link showing me the evidence that all other planets are warming?

I stated in my post that is the energy of the sun that enables the process of global warming to occur so I do not disagree with that, but without green house gases the earth would be a big ball of ice no doubt about it. The green house gases trap infrared radiation within the earth allowing energy to accumulate within the climate increasing global temperatures, without green house gases infrared radiation would not be trapped and heat would radiate away from the Earth cooling it.

"No doubt about it" huh?

Does Mars have greenhouse gasses?

Last time I checked it wasn't a big ball of ice.

How about the moon? What's the greenhouse gas makeup surrounding the moon?

lol

Here is a link for ya:

In what is largely a reversal of an August announcement, astronomers today said Pluto is undergoing global warming in its thin atmosphere even as it moves farther from the Sun on its long, odd-shaped orbit.

Pluto's atmospheric pressure has tripled over the past 14 years, indicating a stark temperature rise, the researchers said. The change is likely a seasonal event, much as seasons on Earth change as the hemispheres alter their inclination to the Sun during the planet's annual orbit.

Global warming on Pluto baffles scientists.

Originally posted by billyjoinedat2k8

Originally posted by kinda kurious

Sun Makes History: First Spotless Month in a Century

www.dailytech.com

In the past 1000 years, three previous such events -- the Dalton, Maunder, and Spörer Minimums, have all led to rapid cooling. On was large enough to be called a "mini ice age".

(visit the link for the full news article)

A century is 100 years not a thousand

[edit on 4/20/2008 by billyjoinedat2k8]

Dude? Did you even read? They are merely saying what has happened in the last 1000 years when such an event has occured. The event in question hasn't happened for 100 years.


Geesh...

Originally posted by -Klaus-
Can you give me a link showing me the evidence that all other planets are warming?

I stated in my post that is the energy of the sun that enables the process of global warming to occur so I do not disagree with that, but without green house gases the earth would be a big ball of ice no doubt about it. The green house gases trap infrared radiation within the earth allowing energy to accumulate within the climate increasing global temperatures, without green house gases infrared radiation would not be trapped and heat would radiate away from the Earth cooling it.

Even if the other planets were or were not going through climate change, the factors are so numerous which impact the global climate, that you'd be hard pressed to narrow it down to one.

actually you both are right... the sun IS getting hotter and is causing all the planets in the solar system to get warmer, but ALSO the pollution we're creating is contributing to the greenhouse effect, and is making things that much worse/hotter...

Exactly my point Adrenochrome, why the sun may be hotting up it isn't the only factor that determines the rate of warming.

If you ever get the chance you should read this book, there is a great chapter on why Earth is blessed with liquid water and why Venus and Mars are not.

Venus and Mars were quite similar to the Earth at the start of the solar system and the reason they departed to be so far from one another was green house gases, Venus was plagued by a long period of volcanic activity resulting in the formation of green house gases these gases trapped infrared radiation and have heated Venus up to 450°C. In comparison Mercury is closer to the sun and receives more thermal energy from it but it only averages a temperature of 150°C, it is the great concentrations of carbon dioxide on Venus that cause this.

In comparison Mars has a very thin atmosphere and even though it is composed mostly of carbon dioxide it has a surface temperature of -46°C, without a layer of carbon dioxide it is unable to retain heat from the sun and is an icy ball in space.

So if you look at the planets it does prove that global warming is largely determined by the concentration of green house gases.

Originally posted by -Klaus-
If there were no green house gases in the atmosphere the Earth would be a big lump of ice, with too many green house gases the Earth would resemble Venus (with a surface temperature of 450°C).

tell me more aout Venus, isn't that the planet whose day is longer than its year?

what about the off side? what about therefore expected winds on Venus? i mean the temp doesn't fall off, therefore heat must be transported to the other side, right? what about its lack of magnetism? are you going to tell us that a planet with an albedo as high as Venus' is going to be heated to 450C by the light oif the sun?

do you know how ridiculous that all sounds?

[edit on 2008.9.2 by Long Lance]

well all that stuff about the closer to the sun it is, the hotter it is, is false. each planet has some form of atmosphere, and an atmosphere just acts as a filter system for the sunlight it receives from space, heating the planets accordingly. not only have i heard that Venus and Mars can sustain life on the surface, but i've also heard that all that info about Venus having tons of volcanoes and a sulfuric acid atmosphere is false too. furthermore, if you wanna go "out there", i've heard that Earth was terra-formed from Mars....... that aside, i wouldn't believe too much about the solar system from mainstream science books - it's so easy to make it all up. and how are we to know if their "proof" is even fact?

Originally posted by Maxmars
Could it be that the 'rise' in global temperature that some have been screaming their fool heads off about for the last couple of years might just be a naturally occurring cyclical temperature compensation that is part of the ecosystem's feedback to a recurring solar event?

The voice of reason !!! Well said.