We're running out of time

I have sat here reading through these posts, and you have typed responses longer than I have ever seen here at ATS and you still have not answered anyone's question as to the distinct lack of a relationship between Paul Craig and LaRouche.

Answer the question or shut up, please. In order for anyone to base an opinion on this post, we need to know that the source is credible. You are not providing this fundamental criteria. People are starring and flagging this, and you are receiving credit for something which may need shovels to clean from the servers.

I loved your little speech bubble to try not to upset us Brits. Didn't work though, probably because that's the only indication that the "British Empire" is a banking institution, and not the Commonweath.

The notion of nations and power held by them is not really applicable any more. It is individuals and groups. Whether corporation, family, organisation. These people are the ones in control, are they not? Biderberg and all that. Surely the relationship between countries and these people is only where they happen to reside?

The video was quite good, nice choice of music.

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reply to post by Amaterasu


That's pretty funny I think. Ron Paul wouldn't save us either, only some along the lines of The Hundredth Monkey Effect, a mass awakening of "Oh crap... we're boned"
Don't let hope blind you, I hoped for a short time this election too, but they all seem pretty horrible if you look from the middle ground. ( Maybe being pessimistic helps too)
It's not just America either so it doesn't much matter who they vote in, this is a worldwide...thingy...

*Edit* My typing sucks.

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reply to post by KrazyJethro


Who is Paul Craig Roberts....why is the OP not responding to this question.

I am going to post who Paul Craig Roberts is.....it is indeed stunning if you follow recent history and Ronald Reagan.



Here is the thread...www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Originally posted by Cythraul
Everything you've said is true - a Government does represent its people - but only where the people are not deliberately kept from knowing about the damning policies in question. If the British people knew the truth about their elite's agendas, they would be at Parliament with pitchforks.

But what about those people who do know the truth & remain silent...Many who do know & remain silent are in government actively hiding the truth of the treason to the people, because they're the ones profiting from it.

But what of those who do not hide the truth for gaining profit? What of those who see the treachery for what it is & still remain silent? What of those who are not trying to tell the truth to friends/neighbors/relatives? By remaining silent, we perpetuate the ignorance & again, we let the government continue by giving our consent through silence.

If you are a true patriot for your nation & people, could you justify your silence in good conscience? I couldn't...That's why I'm speaking out. The PTB get our consent through silence as well as by our words. In fact, that's one of the reasons why they try to induce fear into the population...To induce silence. That's merely one more of their tricks to maintain the illusion covering their other treacheries on the people.

Originally posted by whiteraven
.....it is indeed studding if you follow recent history and Ronald Reagan.

History is where you find the answers to how the present got us to where we are. History also shows the answers as to how similar events took place before now. Look at which Presidents have literally "stacked" the courts in favor of politics & against the people: Both Bushes, Clinton & Reagan all did this. This is just a part of American history, but I'm willing to bet it's already happened in other countries, now & in history, perpetuated by whatever system of government they use to enslave the population.

But in order to break out of the cycles of "repeating history," people (all people, worldwide) need to look at history & think critically on one question..."Do I really want this to happen again? Especially in my own lifetime & for my children?"

The longer we remain silent & inactive, the closer we get to the NWO...Silence is a waste of the time, of which we have little left.

reply to post by MidnightDStroyer


Several people here have asked you a question. You are choosing not to answer it.

EDIT: Apologies to MidnightDStroyer, it was directed at Thinker. Apologies.

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Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer
But what of those who do not hide the truth for gaining profit? What of those who see the treachery for what it is & still remain silent? What of those who are not trying to tell the truth to friends/neighbors/relatives? By remaining silent, we perpetuate the ignorance & again, we let the government continue by giving our consent through silence.

Yes, the burden lies heavy on those enlightened ones. I admit I could do more to wake people up and I am constantly trying to think of effective ways to do this. But for now, the vast majority are in the dark - probably an equal number per country in the Western World. Those people are not synonymous with the elite-of-their-country's secret agenda, so why even suggest that Britain as a whole supports this? Britain is not guilty in this matter, the secret elite are. They don't represent us. Besides, as pointed out by previous posters, the puppetmasters are international. Britain's secret elite are only a part of the problem.

Hi There,

Skelkie3:

Your defense of your great nation ( UK ) is admirable and expected, sir. Is it OK to call a brit... Sir? But I am reminded of a quote from a mystery ( movie ) of some time ago: "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled, was convincing people he doesn't exist ".

The even more 'greater trick' pulled was the one where certain men throughout history have convinced many others that the Devil does exist, and not only that old Horny exists, but that God, too, exists. Thereby supplying two deities for whom to act in ways against others supplanting the heeding to one's own conscience. It's okay to kill in God's name or in faith of such Deity, because those whom we kill are in league with the Devil...and who told this was a righteous act, why those whom profit from the killing.

Calling me 'sir' is fine and courteous, but truly, the epithet is something I cannot consider justified. I am no better than you, so 'friend' is perhaps the better thought to consider me by.

All nations have fallen historically into the 'pyramidial' scheme by which they formed society. A mere few hundred have become the voices of the many, the righteous and moral reasoners for the society that they manage for their own benefit. As Acton ruminated...."Power corrrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely!" They will lie, scheme, obsfucate and disinform to retain a status quo that keeps them and their's in control. They do not, and can be considered never to have done so, to represent the many. They rule by laws which they can easily circumnavigate, but weild to great effect against the ordinary citizen. Their plans and agendas are not what you would normally agree to, but yet they force you to pay for their opulence and avarice.

Here in the UK, whenever anyone reaches that auspicious age of eighteen, the way the government congratulates them is to immediately put them in debt by £700 minimum, just for being alive...it is called Council Tax, and this minimum debt arrives around every year for the rest of their lives. So, taking as a simple example, a person reaches eighteen years of age and lives to sixty-five years of age, they are forced to pay a minimum amount for the priviledge of living the next 47 years of life at a total cost of £32,000-00 pound to the government. This is on top of all the other taxes such as income tax, value-added tax, and all other manner of taxes by which the government wring work-earned money from the person. This is also, before one pays for the other necessities in society, such as utility bills, food and clothing for the family, etc...and if there's anything left, well, one might be able to take a holiday, or use it for some other form of entertainment which brings a little light relief from the drudgery of paying to survive. Meanwhile, those that ensure that such an economic stranglehold is maintained, pay themselves wages whose amount deflects the hardships to meet such payments. Woebetide you if you don't pay the money...prison is waiting for such an heinous crime. The point being, of course, does this represent a fair society? I don't think so! Anyone, whom wants to maintain this situation does not represent me, can be no voice for me, and makes justification for my villification of them. Society needs changing...it needs tearing down, and rebuilding to one that genuinely represents fairness and equality...not in opportunity, but in life itself.

As Ruskin said..."There is no wealth, but life."

Best wishes

reply to post by Truther


One More Time!

Where is the Paul Craig Roberts info as stated in the OP. Your OP is listed at the top of the ATS home page. Bait and switch?????

If I wanted another speech from Brother Lyndon, there are hundreds of them out there all the way to the 1970's. Larouche has been talkin' this stuff for as long as I remember.

Were you afraid another rant from Lyndon would not get any interests here. Don't underestimate the gang here at ATS!!!

Lyndon may be correct in what he is presenting but please answer the question, where is the Paul Roberts info or what is his link to Lyndon LaRouche.

It shouldn't be that tough to answer. That's how you get a little credibility.



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How are we going to succeed in preventing this tsunami of violence...?

Telling them they won't have food doesn't do a thing , cause they'll simply won't believe it until it's too late.

Reading is too hard for most of them thanks to governments systematically dumbing down their people. i.e. 'I don't care'-attitude. One of the biggest crimes ever.

TV and media is controlled by them so that won't help. Unless you pull of some V-for-Vendetta-stunt. Which still won't sink in enough i'm afraid.

Every western government is 'wrong', the whole system is 'wrong'. So how do you create a 'new' system without any ties to the old system? Without new ego's emerging, hungry for power/wealth.

Right now, it seems impossible to me

Originally posted by Anonymous ATSAmericans are the most invasive, powerful and paranoid people on the planet. Of course, they also have the largest web presence so the perpetual cycle of paranoid insanity expressed frequently on ATS will only escalate and I shall be shot down by the madmen.

Lately that is what I am thinking also...Isn't the web just some tool of the USA to feed us and 'their own' the subjects that are all discussed on websites like ATS?

Are 'we the people' feeding the internet or is the internet feeding us?


But I guess that is quite off-topic...

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Well....Guess I am on the side of the bad guys...."insert star wars darth vader music here" This guy may have been on top of his game 25 years ago, but it seems like he has had wayyyyyy too much time on his hands.

I have to say what utter,utter trash

Did this guy just break out of the asylum?

British Empire? Thought the USA made us give that up.

Britain ruling the EU? Had to laugh at that, Try living in the UK, you'll find that the EU rules us!!

Funniest thing I’ve seen for ages, has he always been a standup comic or do deranged nutters always get plenty of air time in the US.

Wooo, look out the British are coming to conquer the world, do me a favour, how paranoid can you get.

rant over.

I really don't think there's a resource crisis going on as extreme as he implies or at all for that matter, but we definitely need to consider the fact that the earth itself will eventually run out of resources. I'm not sure when exactly this final crisis is going to happen, but when it does, be sure that all countries will do all that they can to survive. One way we can slow this down is of course more economic fuels, but in the long run, the only way to stop this resource-race for good is to become interplanetary. This is all a part of a cycle, better explained by Dr. Michio Kaku. I'm a big fan of his philosophies and I think his beliefs tie in with this thread pretty well.

Originally posted by Amaterasu

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
Star and flag.

This is great stuff. Spot on and good work. The gentleman in the video is right, folks. Think before you elect McCain into power. It can't even be close. He cannot be allowed into office. Obama must be elected by a landslide. If the vote is close they'll rig it.

I think they will puppetize Obama (if they haven't already). I don't think it makes any difference.

I recommend voting for Ron Paul.

Well I guess it is not comon knowledge.

Both Mc Same and Obamination are members of CFR.

CFR's chairman for a long time was Cheney.

CFR is a puppet org of Rockefeller.

The rest is the $hit sandwich we get to eat here in a few weeks.

Ppl think they have a choice, well fact is they don't.

Russia is prepared for what is to come:

www.globalsecurity.org...

They have Stealth Nuclear Cruise missiles on their ships, subs,
and the old and new planes.

www.globalsecurity.org...

This post made me realize that I understand the NWO's fate for the US. But I didn't do a lot of research on the rest of the world. Thank you for this epiphany.

But yeah, scary stuff.

We arent out of time until they get ID cards through, once that happens, it is well and truly game over. I dont agree with that video either, he has got his facts woefully wrong. The controlling elite are the banking cartel of Europe, the top Media moguls and the multinational corporations (especially those in pharmaceuticals, arms manufacture, country infrastructure development and oil/gas.

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Originally posted by mrmanuva
We arent out of time until they get ID cards through, once that happens, it is well and truly game over.

Well, Bush is pushin'...
Source: TWIC: A Backdoor Real ID Card

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) wants you to have a Real ID card that's very similar to the TWIC card. But DHS is failing to implement the Real ID because state governments are resisting. Twenty one states are refusing to comply with the REAL ID. It's probably the biggest rebellion against the federal government since the Civil War. So what can the DHS do to overcome this rebellion?

They can "pick off the herd" -- hit one industry at a time until so many people have Smart Cards no one is left to resist. Those with the Smart Cards may even begin to think it would be "just" if everyone had one.
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DHS is also attempting to impose Smart Cards on truckers and railroad workers, covering another 3.5 million workers. And the maritime/TWIC portion of the strategy will apply to about 700,000 workers.

If DHS can "come for" these 6 million people, how long before you think they're going to get you too?

The ol' "divide & conquer" routine...If they can't get us all at once, they'll just pick us off a few (thousand/million) at a time. However, it was mentioned that over 20 States are fighting it. You can always join the fight on both the Federal level & the State level. Depending, of course, whether you choose to fight...or roll over & accept it.

Remember, the People created the State Governments to obey the Articles of Confederation (Which has still never been repealed!) under the Continental Congress, then the Continental Congress created the Constitution for Federal Government to obey & act as a Union of individual "nations."

This is still the True Sovereign Heirarchy in the USA (as I'd originally posted over here), regardless of how many People have been led into forgetting it.

#1: The Creator that set forth the Laws of Nature. Even if Atheists don't acknowledge the existence of the Creator, it still doesn't matter, because they must still acknowledge that the Laws of Nature are real & "govern" the conditions of humanity's survival on Earth...You know, the Science of Ecology? So, for an Atheist, everything that follows this merely moves up one slot.

#2: Individual. Born free with inherent Rights under the Natural Laws. Life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness, for example. All living creatures born on this world have "inherent" Rights in common with all other living creatures.

#3: Constitution. Laws written by the People (the Society formed by a gathering of individuals for common goals & needs) to delegate, define & limit what powers are consented to the government. The single, most primary purpose of government is to uphold & defend the Inherent Rights of Individuals...Sort of like saying, "If you don't take care of the People, the People will certainly take care of you." Also, to provide defense against invasion by other nations & strike a balance between corporate greed & public need (with the most emphasis in favor of public need).

#4: President. The "chief executive" in charge of enforcing the laws that defend Rights & act as intermediary among other nations (Diplomacy, Treaties, commanding of the military defense forces, etc). Also holds some checks against the unlawful accumulation of power in the Congress & Judiciary...The President's power to enforce the Law as it applies to Congress & Judiciary & as it pertains to contentions between People (keeping the public peace).

#5: Congress. Charged with making the laws (legislation of Statutes) that further define Rights & establish lawful procedures to aid the President in enforcing the Laws that defend our Rights. Also, to manage the lawfully-established economy to cover the costs incurred for the defense of Individual Rights & the nation as a whole. Also, holds checks against unlawful accumulation of power in the Executive & Judiciary with the power of Impeachment.

#6: Case & Statute Law. As applied by the Judiciary to provide further checks against the unlawful accumulation of power in the rest of government & further apply lawful procedures for the arbitration of laws (Due Process of Law) between people under Common Law. Must always interpret the Constitution in favor of the Constitution & the People in the event of unlawful government intervention.

#7: Public Servants. The individuals that hold various Offices & positions within the government itself, on both State & Federal levels. Notice that this slot in the hierarchy is below the level of the Laws & the Statutes! In short, Sovereign Individuals are immune to Statutory Laws except in cases where the Sovereigns exercise their Right to enter into unlimited Contract...But the Public Servants are under Statutory Law while they serve in the capacity of their Offices!

#8: Corporations. Right where corporations belong...On the bottom! Under the government Officers, under the Laws & Statutes, under the various branches of government, under the Constitution & most importantly, under the Individual Sovereigns & the Laws of Nature!

Even though the PTB have literally turned the whole thing upside-down by violating the Laws of Nature & maintaining a vast, interlocking web of lies to keep it upside-down, everyone must decide one thing: "Even though I'm limited by being only one person, am I going to accept things the way they are or am I going to do to what's needed to regain my rightful place in the Natural Heirarchy & restore the Balance of Nature?"

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reply to post by bubbles75


i am confused about your post regarding why britain would be angered at italy for wanting to drop their currency. maybe i'm misinterpreting, and for sure i am ignorant on the matter, just curious if you could clarify or steer me in the right direction.

thanks

i want to know why the the credentials posted and the video speaker, aren't the same person...

Here's the Wikipedia link to Paul Craig Roberts bio:

en.wikipedia.org...

After a quick skim I would sum him up as a Reaganite Republican political critic packing a blunderbuss that sometimes wings his own.

I was going to start a thread asking for predictions as to the chances of WW3, but I found so many threads touching on various aspects of the problem that I thought I would throw in (up?) on this thread.

Personally, I think that we are almost certain to have WW3. It's a sad thing but I think that there is a clique who are prepared for it and believe that they can survive it.

People who are history buffs should read Barbara Tuchman's, The Proud Tower. It's a picture of the world just prior to WW1. The resemblance to our own times is staggering.

One of the most chilling things in the book is the fact that nationalism will trump everything else as the factor that tips a population to action. The very people who are trying to destroy nationalism as a force that benefits a population will invoke nationalism to further their own special interests, even if that interest is a world war.

And the sheeple will actually march baa-ing all the way (as they did, literally in WW1) into the meatgrinder.

Start excavating your basements folks if you can't move to a hole in the wilderness.

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