ET's Are Our Friends, They Love Us

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


Hey,

And I enjoy reading this go back and forth, don't feel as If i'm trying to criticize here...

I just want to make it clear that just because we haven't been destroyed yet..doesn't leave room to assume that these beings are in any way friendly...I feel as if they are students looking after a science project for school...

We should awlays keep our guard up when it comes to this matter...because when you get comfortable with this way of thinking that leaves you vunerable to the shock and panic which arises when the complete opposite occurs...ultimately an open mind about it.

Originally posted by argentus
I applaud your logic as applied to the ET system, OP. I think it's sound.

I have two, and only two problems with your conclusion though.

1) Why do they seem to hide from the populace? I think it's a natural thing, and wise thing to be suspicious of any entity that is furtive. What are they hiding, if anything?

2) Abductions/experiments/implants, etc. Not really the mark of an entity that "loves" us, it would seem to me. More the mark of an entity that places its agenda above ours, and doesn't care enough to communicate what that agenda is. If an entity chose to communicate directly with me, say, and told me what it was doing, and impressed upon me the long view -- the importance of its mission, I would likely be a willing participant. This also jogs back to the furtive thing. Within the context of humanity, those that have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

I don't recollect any interaction with otherworldly denizens. I have an inherent repulsion to the imagery of what we characterize as the Grays. Probably means nothing, perhaps a gradual socialization and nothing more than that. I think if they truly cared for our welfare, they would make themselves known on a global scale, help us interactively, ease our growing pains.

Interesting thread. Goodonya

Argentus thank you for the serious reply..
Forgive me as there have been many posts to reply to.

As for #1
They hide from the populace because our global awareness/conciousness is too violent.
They are not violent, we are...

As for #2
I know I risk offending people who claim to be abducted...
If someone was abducted against their will (which I doubt, thanks to logic) it was out of some form of necessity.
What reason would they have? lol
If they have nanotechnology, and mastery of AI I seriously doubt they would need us as slaves, or even as experiments!
They don't 'need' us
They are watching, waiting, for US to wake up and say hello...Peacefully..

Once again, thanks for the reply, it was a valif post and I hope you appreciate my response,,,

Peace

reply to post by UnderTheirRadar


Oh, no doubt! As I said earlier, there are countless reasons why a malevolent race would choose to remain anonymous and not overtly invade and conquer our planet.

I've always envisioned an almost literal Star Wars type of scenario. In which, you have a political system very much like our own on a Galactic scale. When it comes to a fledgling society, it would simply be good business for brokers on BOTH sides to influence said society with their particular bias until you can eventually reveal yourselves to them without the culture shock that would destroy their fragile society. You would influence them towards your reality in hopes that they would "join your side.".... You see, that is just ONE possible example of a potentially harmful race not invading and conquering an inferior race. It is better to raise a potential ally than create an enemy.

Another potential reason would be that the malevolent guys wouldn't DARE harm our society out of fear of retribution on our behalf by a much more powerful benevolent one.

[edit on 31-8-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

[edit on 31-8-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

Originally posted by argentus
I applaud your logic as applied to the ET system, OP. I think it's sound.

I have two, and only two problems with your conclusion though.

1) Why do they seem to hide from the populace? I think it's a natural thing, and wise thing to be suspicious of any entity that is furtive. What are they hiding, if anything?

2) Abductions/experiments/implants, etc. Not really the mark of an entity that "loves" us, it would seem to me. More the mark of an entity that places its agenda above ours, and doesn't care enough to communicate what that agenda is. If an entity chose to communicate directly with me, say, and told me what it was doing, and impressed upon me the long view -- the importance of its mission, I would likely be a willing participant. This also jogs back to the furtive thing. Within the context of humanity, those that have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

I don't recollect any interaction with otherworldly denizens. I have an inherent repulsion to the imagery of what we characterize as the Grays. Probably means nothing, perhaps a gradual socialization and nothing more than that. I think if they truly cared for our welfare, they would make themselves known on a global scale, help us interactively, ease our growing pains.

Interesting thread. Goodonya

I realise these questions weren't directed at me, but let me have a crack at them:

1) Maybe because the populace, in general, is too low frequency, and they are searching for likeminded contactees? This would explain the "hippy new age contact phenomenons" to some degree. If I were an alien I would not want much direct interaction, except with those people who are at higher frequencies and receptive to goodness. Notice how most people have a negative reaction to good messages, usually in the form of ad homine "you dirty hippy" type responses. This is a symptom of a low frequency species.

2) The abduction phenomenon might be a cultural schizm, provoked by the the media. It could also be a missreading of alien intentions, if real. Or it could be really a minority of bad aliens. It's a bit hard to judge. Also, here on earth marine biologists love animals, yet they still capture and tag them. Not sure if it's a valid analogy. I guess my point is the abduction phenomenon is so vaguely defined you will have a hard time using it to strengthen any argument regarding aliens. I personally think it's a modern mythology based on a small number of curious cases, which probably are of diverse origin.

reply to post by UnderTheirRadar


Also, I don't think that this is actually going back and forth. Not anymore anyhow. My views are being ignored thus ending my participation until the OP can address my points.

I'll go ahead and edit this to add my thoughts on the hyperdimensional thing. Alright, I realize that this is a possibility. I saw Dr. Kaku give a speech on this possibility like 10 years ago and it has taken off since then. However, I would like to see ET life confirmed in OUR reality before we start trying to explain away the, as yet, unexplained occurences by simply saying "ah, well, they must be fifth density.".... This, among, many other things are going to make the UFO movement even that much more difficult to explain to the layperson.

[edit on 31-8-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

reply to post by Zepherian


Very well said, and thank you.. because responding to every post is a challenge to say the least.
Your thoughts are more than welcome here as far as I am concerned, because they seem rational.
Not because you agree or disagree with what I typed .. 'because you seem rational in your statements' haha!
My point is, you have an objective opinion that seems un-influenced by stereotypes, and that is always a good thing

Peace

reply to post by Tattoo1377


Thank you. I was reading your post just after posting mine and we do indeed seem to share a similar viewpoint.

I am being theoretical though, although with some life experiences "showing the way" so to speak.

While these discussions are interesting, I think the real path of discovery might, contrary to what science has indoctrinated us to, be actually internal, by tuneing our bodies to the natural frequencies of nature, through communion with nature via natural foods and through meditation. This may open the door to experience, due to the law of atraction, something which I think might also be true. I think loving people may atract loving aliens. If they even are aliens.

Finding out is going to be a wild ride.

Originally posted by Camilo1
"New Age (New Age Movement and New Age Spirituality) is a social collective phenomenon and a spiritual nature/cosmology movement that seeks universal truth through the Oneness of Humanity. It combines aspects of spirituality, esotericism, complementary and alternative medicine, various religious practices and environmentalism. It is characterized by an eclectic and individual approach to spirituality with a general rejection of mainstream dogma and religion. Terms used to describe the movement include: Self Spirituality, New Spirituality and Mind-Body-Spirit.[1][2] Related terms include: Cultural Creative, Everyone Is Equal, New Paradigm and ALL IS ONE."

Interesting... I ascribe to most on this list, yet I am certain that some aliens are indifferent (amoral), some are actively working against us (immoral), and some have out interests in mind (moral).

Given that science is showing a high probability that, indeed, all is one, I tend to lean towards that view, I reject most mainstream medicine and I am VERY concerned about our environment! I believe "God" is like the Elephant, and we are all the Blind Men/Women, each touching a part of "God" through our various approaches. I do not "reject" religion insofar as others are concerned, but I find dogma antiquated for my own use.

My question then is, if I believe this way about aliens and all...would YOU consider me "New Age?" And, if so, what's wrong with that?

Originally posted by argentus
I applaud your logic as applied to the ET system, OP. I think it's sound.

I have two, and only two problems with your conclusion though.

1) Why do they seem to hide from the populace? I think it's a natural thing, and wise thing to be suspicious of any entity that is furtive. What are they hiding, if anything?

2) Abductions/experiments/implants, etc. Not really the mark of an entity that "loves" us, it would seem to me. More the mark of an entity that places its agenda above ours, and doesn't care enough to communicate what that agenda is. If an entity chose to communicate directly with me, say, and told me what it was doing, and impressed upon me the long view -- the importance of its mission, I would likely be a willing participant. This also jogs back to the furtive thing. Within the context of humanity, those that have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

I don't recollect any interaction with otherworldly denizens. I have an inherent repulsion to the imagery of what we characterize as the Grays. Probably means nothing, perhaps a gradual socialization and nothing more than that. I think if they truly cared for our welfare, they would make themselves known on a global scale, help us interactively, ease our growing pains.

Interesting thread. Goodonya

I'd like a crack at this myself If yall don't mind...

1.) I believe that they are hiding for the reason that the belief system that has been installed into us since the birth i.e. god, big bang theory, etc..etc..would be totally thrown out of the window. People wouldn't know what to believe and that would cause mass panic and chaos. Funny though how an increasingly number of people seem to believe in u.f.o.'s more then in previous years.

2.) Like I've stated before...my own opinion is that the human race along with the other species on this planet are just one giant experiment...and that abductions, implants are just to keep track of us like a statistic. Also to see how our bodies will react to foreign or "non earthly" devices/procedures kind of how scientists experiment on lab rats.

Ultimately we can speculate all day, but don't let false hope guide you to a conclusion...we need physical evidence!!!

reply to post by Amaterasu


Amaterasu,
I would venture to say that any concious being who is open, benevolent, and tolerant is ready for a 'new age' as some certain traditionalists put it hehehe..
What matters, imo, is the attitude of the concious being, and their willingness to absorb new information.
Just my 2 cents..

Peace

reply to post by UnderTheirRadar


I loved your explanation in question #1... it is quite true to me as well..

1.) I believe that they are hiding for the reason that the belief system that has been installed into us since the birth i.e. god, big bang theory, etc..etc..would be totally thrown out of the window. People wouldn't know what to believe and that would cause mass panic and chaos. Funny though how an increasingly number of people seem to believe in u.f.o.'s more then in previous years.

Very well said, my friend.

Peace

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
reply to post by Demandred

 

This is actually a reply to anybody that explores that line of reasoning. This is a false dichotomy. There are PLENTY of presumable reasons why a malevolent race would not overtly invade and conquer. I could name a few but I won't bother for now other than to say that is patently false.

i respect your opinion however, what other reasons could a malevolent race have for allowing the continued existance of an inferior race other than indifference or never being in this neck of the woods?

Definitions of malevolent on the Web:

wishing or appearing to wish evil to others; arising from intense ill will or hatred; "a gossipy malevolent old woman"; "failure made him ...
malefic: having or exerting a malignant influence; "malevolent stars"; "a malefic force"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

having or displaying ill will; wishing harm on others; having an evil or harmful influence
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/malevolent

Malevolent spirit is a way to describe a malicious supernatural force that causes harmful acts to living beings.
blog.myspace.com/index.cfm

A spirit that wishes to hurt a human or that has ill intent.
www.chipsparanormal.com/Glossary.html

by definition a malevolent race isnt inclined to allow us to continue on our merry way

reply to post by Tattoo1377


Makes sense to me. Thanks for the reply. [smile]

Frankly, I have never understood the anti-New Agers - except perhaps from the standpoint that they might feel their paradigm of dogma is threatened... [shrug]

I have never linked religion with aliens except that I believe the bulk of the "Gods" in "mythology" were alien.

The Terra Papers (although roughly written, being a term paper from the mid-1970's (pre-Star Wars!) typed on a manual typewriter) are what led me to my views of the various sorts of alien intervention we (don't) see.

If you're interested, they're linked in my sig.

Originally posted by Demandred
by definition a malevolent race isnt inclined to allow us to continue on our merry way

You might want to read The Terra Papers... Malevolency does not imply "in you face" necessarily.

It's quite a read and I even diligently put together a glossary to assist in keeping track of the characters. It is posted twice (because of editing issues) here: www.abovetopsecret.com... .

Originally posted by Tattoo1377

When a species is capable of leaving it's own solar system it means that it has overcome the 'progress-destruction cycle' that can occur when mastery of it's own aggressive tendencies is lacking. At the same time a species discovers powerful energy sources allowing travel beyond their own solar system, they also become capable of creating offensive weapons of irreversible destructive power.
This is a form of natural selection. Only those species who perfectly control their aggressiveness can reach this stage. The others will self destruct from misuse of this technology

perhaps but ...

all it really proves is that they have controlled or supressed their own aggressive tendancies towards their own race, and more than likley their greed for power or influence. It is also possible that the hypothetical race could also be in such a situation because of war and aggression and all who opposed the winner was exterminated removing any possible resistance or dissent.

here is another hypothetical scenario, a large colony of ants have taken over your home, do you try to explain to them that that is your home and you dont appreciate their incursion in your terratory, or tell them that as long as they dont attack you or take your resources you will let them live or do you exterminate them?

does exterminating them make you a violent or aggressive person?

because in the eyes of an advanced race we would probably be nothing more than space ants

reply to post by Demandred

Hey Demandred
As for this first part:

all it really proves is that they have controlled or supressed their own aggressive tendancies towards their own race, and more than likley their greed for power or influence. It is also possible that the hypothetical race could also be in such a situation because of war and aggression and all who opposed the winner was exterminated removing any possible resistance or dissent.

It seems you are basing all these pre-suppositions on the idea there is something to be gained by agression.. after all, isn't aggression based on personal gain?
I would venture to say at this level of technology, there is really nothing to gain from aggression in the first place, therefore it would be illogical (sound like Spock hehe) to do so...
But even removing that aspect, what about the awareness a species attains from understanding it's own unified peace? Surely they would apply a truth that applies to them, to the universe... ?

As for the second statement, which is a very clever metaphor...
If the ants were expanding, and they came across a granite (a culture that was not worth the effort to move into) wouln't they just swarm past, on to the next area with soft soil?

My point is, what motivation is there in focusing aggressive efforts on a primitive society, when there is an entire universe out there? It hardly seems worth the effort, not to mention the fact they would be sophisticated enough to understand aggressive behavior is not harmonious with existence, locally, or cosmically..

Just my 2 cents...

Peace!

reply to post by Tattoo1377


Good point,it seems like they could do alot of things to help us out. They could start with the truth, and stop being deceitful by flying around under cloak and taking pictures of us for kicks with their ET kids or what ever it is they've been doing.

reply to post by Tattoo1377


hehehehe

theres nothing to say that they would consider it an act of violence or aggression, in their minds they could just be eradicating a annoyance or a pest.

there really isnt anything to be gained by aggression nor benevolence except maybe an alien equivelent to a warm fuzzy feeling

i guess its nice to think that when man kind reaches a certain tech level we will be introduced to the galactic federation or at least have some nice race come over here and point out to us whats what and who is who but i think on the whole there will be much more indifference unless we encroach upon terrortory owned by other races, and that only if we are perceived as a threat.

@ Amaterasu - i read the terra papers found them to be quite interesting, thanks for pointing them out

[edit on 1-9-2008 by Demandred]

reply to post by Tattoo1377

This also refutes all claims anyone makes concerning malevolent aliens.

...

Tell that to the guy that took the anal probe agasint his will.
Somehow I dont' think you two would agree.


EDIT:
Edit:

I just caught this part in one of your replies, and, you’re seriously now stepping on my pet-peeve toes.

They don't 'need' us

Does your egoism know no bounds?
It’s bad enough when you go about telling others what they know and don‘t know, as seen by you, but now for you (try) to do the same with another life form you know absolutely NOTHING about?
I repeat, a COSMIC life form you know NOTHING about.
Who in the hell made you God for the day. And if they did they made a serious mistake, because, no one but a complete ignoramus would even attempt to post what another life form *needs* or doesn’t need.

At least have the humility (or something) to state *in your opinion* they “Don’t need us”...




...Delusions of Grandeur and a side a hot fudge please...


[edit on 1-9-2008 by silo13]

Originally posted by Tattoo1377

Originally posted by argentus
I applaud your logic as applied to the ET system, OP. I think it's sound.

I have two, and only two problems with your conclusion though.

1) Why do they seem to hide from the populace? I think it's a natural thing, and wise thing to be suspicious of any entity that is furtive. What are they hiding, if anything?

2) Abductions/experiments/implants, etc. Not really the mark of an entity that "loves" us, it would seem to me. More the mark of an entity that places its agenda above ours, and doesn't care enough to communicate what that agenda is. If an entity chose to communicate directly with me, say, and told me what it was doing, and impressed upon me the long view -- the importance of its mission, I would likely be a willing participant. This also jogs back to the furtive thing. Within the context of humanity, those that have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

I don't recollect any interaction with otherworldly denizens. I have an inherent repulsion to the imagery of what we characterize as the Grays. Probably means nothing, perhaps a gradual socialization and nothing more than that. I think if they truly cared for our welfare, they would make themselves known on a global scale, help us interactively, ease our growing pains.

Interesting thread. Goodonya

Argentus thank you for the serious reply..
Forgive me as there have been many posts to reply to.

As for #1
They hide from the populace because our global awareness/conciousness is too violent.
They are not violent, we are...

As for #2
I know I risk offending people who claim to be abducted...
If someone was abducted against their will (which I doubt, thanks to logic) it was out of some form of necessity.
What reason would they have? lol
If they have nanotechnology, and mastery of AI I seriously doubt they would need us as slaves, or even as experiments!
They don't 'need' us

They are watching, waiting, for US to wake up and say hello...Peacefully..

Once again, thanks for the reply, it was a valif post and I hope you appreciate my response,,,

Peace

How sad! How lost you are!

Aliens speak firstly of not interfering! But they do, very deceptively!

Its simple! Why would such an intelligent race need us, in secret lol!
Why have they not shown their face to the general populace in 60 years?

The abductions, are without prejudice, and sometimes these obvious demons get found out! lol

But the intelligent can see these things!

You would have to be really naive to not see, and take heed of the other side to this scenario!

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[edit on 1-9-2008 by DarksDeception]