Sarah Palin a Secret Agent for Dominionist Christianity?

Domonist Christianity? Har har har...

So what, do you think that Islam isn’t domonist (if there is such a word)? HA HA HA. The entire premiss of your post is flawed. Do you not realize that all other religions that are opposed to Christianity seek domination!

What a foolish post. Do you not realize that all governments are nothing but religion in practice? There is no separation of church and state and there never ever was and there never ever can be. It is because government is nothing but a reflection of the morality of its people. Government, by its very nature, IS religion in practice.

Religion controls the morality of a people, and the morality of the people controls the laws of its government.

All that you do when you attempt to remove religion from government is to replace one set of religious values for another. The people who profess the often flawed mantra of “separation of church and state” are simply the ones who despise Christianity and desire to replace it with atheism as the state religion.

Double post...

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I just read seven pages worth of drivel written by idiots who in no way have any real knowledge or understanding of the topic they are all debating! Does anyone here actually have any familiarity with the beliefs of Joel's Army? This is not a christian group in the traditional sense. They are an offshoot cult that has been denounced by even the Assembly of God crowd themselves. They are a highly violent and anarchistic group that is hell-bent on beginning the Armageddon. When you defend a group such as this based only on the fact that they claim they are Christian, it is the equivolent of defending David Koresh and the Branch Davidians. I understand that the majority of christians in this country believe that they are somehow under attack by the liberals, but you are just plain wrong on this one!! Part of Joel's Army's dogma includes destoying any churches or worshippers of any other religious beliefs...including christian ones!

If, and this is the main question here, Sara Palin is involved with Joel's Army, then we have a very serious problem. If she is not, then she should not be slandered in such a vile way. Either way this is a question that must be addressed before she is handed the reins to the second highest position in our government.

And for the record, I am concerned with the religious beliefs of Jeremiah Wright and, in turn, Obama as well. However, not nearly as concerned as I would be by a member of Joel's Army being elected.

Please do your homework people!

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No, I don't. But I do wish atheists were a little more tactful and understanding that their opinions are no more valid than those who believe in a higher power, ID, creationism or whatever theory you choose to believe.

I really don't want this thread derailed, but I want to respond to this quickly. ID and Creationism are NOT equally valid as Darwinism. Darwinian evolution is observable, whereas Creationism requires vast amounts of knowledge in geology, astronomy, physics, chemistry, and biology be thrown out. I don't want a Creationist holding the highest seat of power on Earth.

To those saying "shame on you" to me, let me point out a few things:
-I never attacked John McCain. He is a war hero, a real reformer, and until his recent alignment with Bush policy and pandering to the far right appeared to be a very rational and intelligent man. I believe he still is at heart.
-I never attacked Christianity. You can believe in any god you so choose, as may Gov. Palin.
-I never attacked anyone in this thread, and have had the utmost patience.

Now please, stay on topic. This thread is about nothing other than the possible link between Sarah Palin and Dominion Theology. If you have evidence of this, please provide it. If you have evidence to the contrary, provide it. If you have an interesting theory, provide it. If you feel that this is a good opportunity to espouse your belief that Ben Franklin would have wanted the Eagle on the emblem changed to Jesus bleeding on the cross, or that Barack Obama is in fact a commie pagan....go make your own thread and stop polluting this topic.

The same goes to the far left - I don't need you to defend me or make inflammatory comments about John McCain. Stay on topic.

I really don't know why this thread is allowed to continue. It is totally against ATS's new policy.

Would a post asking if Barack Hussein Obama was a secret agent for dominionist Islam, be allowed?

Is ATS just picking and choosing what is discussed here, or was this post simply overlooked?

[edit on 12-9-2008 by RRconservative]

how does this thread not violate the new political protocol that we are required to follow?

has SO just "missed it"??

I really would like to know if this piece of garbage is going to be deleted or not.

Dominionism

Dominionism describes, in several distinct ways, a tendency among some conservative politically-active Christians, especially in the United States of America, to seek influence or control over secular civil government through political action — aiming either at a nation governed by Christians, or a nation governed by a conservative Christian understanding of biblical law. The use and application of this terminology is a matter of controversy.

This actually addresses the policy and platform of Sarah Palin. She is a conservative politically-active Christians and has made statements and actions that show that she seeks to influence or control government policies through law.

Sources in a minute.

The fact this thread has remained up in light of the U2Us forwarded to all members is really causing me to question ATS-Admin.

Here is a thread that supports this assertion, complete with sources and other information on Palin and the rest of the candidates.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The candidates' policies on the first amendment, freedom of religion, and separation of church and state are definitely an "issues" concern, in my opinion. That's probably why this thread is allowed.

I could be wrong, but that's how I read this.

Ok. After U2U reminders 1 and 2, why is this thread still open? It is obviously just another bash Sarah Palin thread that has nothing to do with her "platform", or the Republican Party's platform.

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I agree, the amount of Bashing Palin threads for nothing related to her actual governmental policies or platform that are still open mystifies me. Has anyone ever gotten an answer from any mod or SO as to why a thread such as this is acceptable given the new policy (ies)???? It's a valid question that quite a few have asked.

BTW, I am not whining, unless you consider giving a direct answer to a question is whining. This will probably get removed for being off topic I bet.




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One thing that concerns me about Palin's point of view is that many evangelical Christians don't think in terms of the long term because they are just sure the rapture is right around the corner.

When Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin promised to lead the nation with a "servant's heart," evangelical Christians immediately recognized her as one of their own.

"Lead the nation"??? She's leading the nation? Does she know something that we only suspect?

"I can do my job there in developing our natural resources and doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded," she said in June to ministry students at her former church. "But really, all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God."
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"When she talks about using up our non-renewable resources, drilling on the North Slope and building the pipeline, it's almost with glee because in a sense it doesn't matter," said Nancy Hardesty, a professor of religion at Clemson University in South Carolina. "All her brand of Christians may be gone before those things run out. It tends to lessen a long-term view."

How Religion Guides Palin

This is the Conspiracies in Religion Forum. If you want an answer from a mod, then maybe you should either send a U2U or fill out a complaint form and stop posting in the thread. Alternatively, you could accept the decision that has been made about this thread and move on.

Great thread BH. I have had a bad feeling about Sarah Palin since she was introduced. She is the evangelical leader for their end time agenda.

There is a documentary that is one of the best I have seen of its genre. Here is the introduction to it.

Tony Robinson travels to America, the Middle East, the Mediterranean and Africa to gather evidence that might uncover the realities behind the prophecies contained within the Book of Revelation. He interviews people who believe millions will be spirited up to Heaven, Israel will fight a nuclear war, that the Secretary General of the UN will be unmasked as the Anti-Christ and the world will end after the Battle of Armageddon. Doomsday, End of days, World war 3, Iran, Israel, Islam, Jew, Christianity, Muslim, war! Lobby Groups!

It is a must watch for those concerned about this topic. I believe she is going to be their leader in this. Here is the video:

Google Video Link

If everyone could please watch this, it is 101 minutes long and is a very important and very relevant to this subject.

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People have contacted mods, I have on other threads. I at least, have never gotten a response as to the reasoning why a thread will stay open. How am I wrong for asking for the reasoning?

I'll grant you this is in the Conspiracies in Religion area, but it definitely is taking on political overtones.

It's not just this thread, it is other threads.

Originally posted by pavil
People have contacted mods, I have on other threads. I at least, have never gotten a response as to the reasoning why a thread will stay open. How am I wrong for asking for the reasoning?

I'll grant you this is in the Conspiracies in Religion area, but it definitely is taking on political overtones.

I would say this thread is a about Conspiracy in Religion and about a person Sarah Palin. It does not matter what she does for a living, it is about a person and her belief.

We should all stay on topic. This is about evangelical dominionism.

Edit to add: Here is what answers.com has to say.

Dominionism describes, in several distinct ways, a tendency among some conservative politically-active Christians to seek influence or control over secular civil government through political action — aiming either at a nation governed by Christians or a nation governed by a Christian understanding of biblical law.

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Thanks for the reply, but you are not a mod, that was my reference, they have not chimed in.

Using your definition , one could say most of the Founding Fathers would be Dominionists. Look up some quotes by them, especially John Adams if memory serves me correct.

I thought this thread was locked????

The thread title is "Sarah Palin a Secret Agent for Dominionist Christianity?" And after several pages of crap, not once is it ever demonstrated how Sarah Palin is a SECRET AGENT for anything.

Does anyone disagree with that?

This thread PROMOTES IGNORANCE. And for all of you who pretend its about a serious inspection of the candidate's views, I think you should be ashamed of yourselves.

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Amen....

And, I think the reason this thread is still open is due to where it is located.....nowhere near politics, but in the Religious Conspiracies area.

What's with the desire among some to push this under the rug? Seems like a very legit issue to be seriously looking into. I have a feeling some people in America would welcome such a person to office.

Originally posted by skeptic1
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Amen....

And, I think the reason this thread is still open is due to where it is located.....nowhere near politics, but in the Religious Conspiracies area.

Does that mean someone could start a thread about the disproportionate size of Obama's ears, and it would still be allowed if it was started - far away from politics - in the Medical Issues forum?

Same level of intellect would be demonstrated by a thread like that as has been demonstrated in this thread.