The Real USAF technology must be scary!

Great Thread. I've heard that the F-22 was the last manned fighter to be produced for our military. I don't know how cooky this will sound, but has anyone considered the possibility of non-hoax UFO sightings being the next wave of drone fighters>????

Originally posted by DJM8507
The secrecy is a form of national defense, and it is one of the major reasons that our country is so safe. Most nations are not willing to call our "bluff" and then realizing that we weren't bluffing.

I have spoken with several individuals inside the US Government and several very large defense contractors. I have been told several things that I thought was interesting, but there is no way that I can verify it, as no proof was given. They were that:

1) We have cloaking technology.
2) We have nearly unlimited energy technologies.
3) We have teleportation technology.
4) We have a small fleet of space craft.
5) We have bases on the Moon and Mars.

I have also been told that our technologies make Star Trek look primitive. They also mentioned that much of the black world is funded through the 'trickling down' of advanced older technologies, licensing them to companies, allowing them to "develop" them and apply them to technologies that we see available in commercial and consumer applications. The fees they receive from licensing old advanced technologies literally pour billions upon billions into these black endeavors every year. This is all done through offshore corporations that "own" the technology and license it, which act as a front to protect these entities from public scrutiny.

I don't know the whole story, but these are a few tidbits I have picked up along the way. But as I said, I have no idea if any of it is true besides the words of those I have spoken with.

thats absolutly wright,even if we dont hve solid proofe,anyone who says we dont have these technologyes is a mad men

The F117 is flying pile of junk and there is not an F-15 squadron ever that can even come close to keeping up with a Raptor. That thing is ridiculous and nobody can touch it, period.

Here may be the next generation of aircraft.

Could This Be The TR-3B - Govt UFO ASTRA ?



Here also a link tr-3b

We may be well ahead of current technology since this is supposed to be anti gravity. What do you think?

WE greatly benefit from technologies and discoveries not only generated here in the US, but Britain and even Israel. We all know the story of British Chobham armor which now defines the unique shape of the M1 Abrams, but that was a while back.

Many folks don't know that each year, the DOD through the Patent Office confiscates hundreds of technologies that disappear, never again to be seen. If a new discovery even hints at something we already have, or are working on, this is confiscated, everyone with knowledge of the technology has to sign a non-disclosure agreement, and are warned of severe displeasure if they ever discuss it again.

Consider Dr. Chung's negative resistor. The cat got out of the bag, was going to be available to licensees to work with, and suddenly the University decided they would not allow access.

A new assymetrical magnet was recently pulled as well. Think about that for a moment.

The Israeli's have one hell of an electronics technology base and I know of one extremely advanced technology that the US was introduced to back in 1985-86.

Scary. And folks wonder why we are such good friends with the Israeli's.

Yeah. We've got the stuff. Stuff that if our enemies had any idea of, they'd never sleep again the rest of their days - or until they came to Jesus - and made their peace with either us, or their Maker.

reply to post by dragonridr


That video really caught my attention. Star to you.

I am convinced that the B2 Bomber uses a lot of T.T. Browns anti gravity/electrogravetics tech.

Using the electrogravetics it should be possible for the B2 to fly around the world without fuel once it's up to full speed and at sufficient altitude. It can go super sonic, and the plasma field should actually dampen the sonic boon to next to null.

Theoretically the electrogravetics systems could easily take us to other planets within our solar system.

Is the B2 what the hacker was getting at when he was talking about the US's non terrestrial fleet?

I don't think the B-2 was not what the writer was talking about when he spoke of other space technologies. A friend who's a physicist said he had another friend who was a pilot of another technology, one that has enabled trips to not only the moon, but beyond. And he looked me right in the eye and held a straight face when he said it.

We at that time were experiencing the Bohren effect with hydrogen plasma. In essence, we easily were violating classical physics as our results were validate in a nationally recognized forensic laboratory who stated we were producing 2.1 times unity of wattage. But it's impossible. But we were doing it anyway. And that was just farting around.

It was interesting to note changes on the leading edges of the wing from the early B-2's to later B-2's. When sufficient extremely high voltage is reached, some really strange things begin to occur, upsetting steady-state physics. Mass, time, gravity. Positive on leading edges, negative on trailing edges. One pulls, the other pushes.

And there truly are two governments. One we elect and can see, and then there's the other one that doesn't see the light of day. The most powerful of the first kind will be refused knowledge by the second kind. After all, elected officials come and go.

And if you ever let out one single element of a new technology, you've just opened up a whole Pandora's Box that will indicate the other technologies.

The logic is that the best stuff is to be held in reserve until we need it to surprise our enemies. It sucks in some respects, but just the way it is.

Dooper

I agree with you that it is very possible that we have other craft that are of the more disc like shape.

T T Browns work used discs and he even worked on a gravity pulse type of device that could project a gravetic wave (if I understand the theory's correctly)

I believe that the "sport Model" that Lazar worked on was not using a reactor utilizing element 115 but was a mazar like device to generate a microwave. He even stated that gravity is a part of the microwave spectrum. I don't believe gravity is. I believe gravity is gravity separate from electomagnetism, but that high electric voltages do warp gravity or effect it profoundly.

The gravity waveguide. really some sort of microwave or electrical guide. the three gravity amplifiers were really some sort of electrical amplifier. the gravity lenses in the bottom of the craft really were some sort of electrogravetic pulse or projector of some sort. he even said that the machine "pulsed" on and off.

I think lazar was tacitly saying that the sport model worked on electrogravetics and not on pure gravity generation and projection.

he said that the reactor when turned on had a repelling effect. That he could bounce golf balls off of it. Sounds more like a magnetic effect than a gravetic one.

Instead of the three gravity lenses focusing on one point of space and warping gravity to the ship could it have been producing a focused point of voltage difference forming a warped gravity well that the ship falls towards. I donno I'm no physicist.

So it's possible that the govt. really does have discs that go all over the solar system I am thinking.

Hell, using relatively small amounts of electricity (relative) t t Brown theorized that he could geet his discs moving up to mach 10. later they found out that the higher the voltage the more the out put exponetiates. so it's possible to achieve extreamly fast flight.

What say you regarding this.

reply to post by BASSPLYR


All I can tell you is that when you get really, really high voltage, weird things start to occur, and the higher the voltage, the stranger the local environment. I mean, you are altering everything. Light, mass, time, velocity.

It gets even stranger with scalar electromagnetics. Everything is opposite of everything we think we know. That's where future weapons will be directed.

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Well it appears if we develop the ability to lower mass to zero we dont violate any laws of physics. So the trick is not to create anti gravity but to create anti mass. Thats why i believe the germans were onto something in ww2.

Near the end of WWII the Nazi war effort was turning to ever more outlandish projects to provide a weapon that could turn the tide. One of these was the so-called Nazi Bell, located in an underground mine, with a ring of heavy duty testing pillars directly above[5][6]. The device is reported to have been made of two stacked counter-rotating cylinders of mercury with bismuth alloy cores exposed to a high radio-frequency field. The scientists working on the device were trying to create a magnetic dipole based on the first incarnation of Albert Einstein's never-completed Unified Field Theory. Remnants of the testing rig and nearby power station solely used to power it remain to this day, however the Bell itself is gone. In an interview with John Dering, americanantigravity.com claims that SARA, a California-based defense contractor, successfully replicated the Nazi Bell on a small scale but subsequently shelved the project when major sources for funding failed to materialize. However the site also claims that it is likely 'Black Ops' in the US took the Nazi Bell in Operation Paperclip and recently used knowledge gained from it to create a triangular anti-gravity based craft known as the TR-3B[citation needed]. This craft works on a mercury plasma accelerated in a toroid and exposed to high radio-frequency fields but manages to negate only 89% of its mass and gravitational force. It is worthy to note that while a gravitational dipole (a bump in the gravity well) is said to be behind these effects it is unexplained as to why mass is also cancelled - but by the same token it has never been explained in conventional physics why gravitational mass and inertial mass are equal.

Now if this is a myth who knows but if not the skys the limit every pun intended.

oh im sorry, the death star is fully operational.

i like the satellight lasers they have now, i think it was a laser or something. russia hates them. last year i saw a missle fired from a ship and under a quarter mile just after the missle left the chute a bolt of light came down from the sky and the missle destroyed. we have these lasers on the ground, in space positioned, trully the top of the barrel tech. nothing on the surface of the earth is safe with that around. glad it is on our side.

reply to post by Lannock


This reply sticks out like a sore thumb.
So, we're not capable of developing our own stuff, it was all Nazi Germany? Do you have anything to support your claims that all airframes are based off of Nazi technology? Don't give me that jet-missile-flying wing crap either. Give me REAL proof.

Just to create some interest, when I was in the USAF (1970's and 1980's), there were often "rumors" in our wing that some of the guys who had volunteered to go through a special selection process were essentially used as test pilots (many had test pilot experience) for aircraft using alien technology.

Supposedly (as related by a friend), it had to do with a biological interface between the pilot's brain and the craft. Again, "supposedly", many went mad from it...

sorry, I don't have any links or proof as asking around then or doing any investigating was a guarantee of losing your clearance.....

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Hmm it is true there are lots of undislosed technologies in the warehouse, just how advanced stands to question.

After ww2 the Cold war forced the US and Russia into an arms race, resulting in the majority of todays advanced technology, when the USSR collapsed, it is possible the US decided to cut back the funding for projects and cancel # loads more, the reasoning being their only real threat just neutralised, so the need for advanced systems was no longer priority.

Instead the bully boy tactic of invadeing weaker nations to suppress them (Iraq, Afghanistan etc) seems to be the new method of staying ahead of the rest of the world, when someone poses a threat, rather than develop something to scare and intimidate them, just use direct force.

So it is possible, what is in the warehouse is only say 10 years more advanced than current technology? If that was the case, ww3 will not be as futeristic as we think.

Altough there are stories of advanced microware weaponry haveing been deployed in Iraq, reports of buses melted to a pool, people burned through their clothing and no damage to the clothes etc.

But if you think the US has suprises in their closet, what must the Russians have in theirs? Considering their fighters are the best in the world, not to mention they have the most advanced anti aircraft/missile shileds and missile systems on offer at present.

reply to post by Saf85



Heres one thing they have in there closet so to speak. Its planned for use for terrorists but can be used for almost anything

The Advanced Tactical Laser, weighing twelve thousand pounds and mounted in a Hercules transport plane, is intended to give Special Forces Command "ultra-precision strike capability" against a wide range of ground targets. Its power is somewhere in the hundred-kilowatt range.

According to the developers, the accuracy of this weapon is little short of supernatural. They claim that the pinpoint precision can make it lethal or non-lethal at will. For example, they say it can either destroy a vehicle completely, or just damage the tires to immobilize it.

Precision engagement of a PID [Positively Identified] insurgent by a DEW [Directed Energy Weapon] will be a highly surgical and impressively violent event. Target effects will include instantaneous burst-combustion of insurgent clothing, a rapid death through violent trauma, and more probably a morbid combination of both. It is estimated that the aftermath of a sub-second engagement by PASDEW [Precision Airborne Standoff Directed Energy Weapon] will also be an observable event leaving an impression of terrifyingly precise CF [Coalition Force] attribution in the minds of all witnesses.

reply to post by dragonridr


Umm yeah sure, they been talking about such lasers for years, yet no one has demonstrated one that actually works, nor have they confirmed any operation dates etc.

Sure they can show it to investors, have them target stationry pre determined targets, have some explosives on the target, once the laser is aimed on the target, a detector detonates this explosive and "WOW" ensues, of course the explosion was the gas tank not the explosives in the boot, why a wrecked vehicle used for target practice would have fuel in it anyway...

As far as this one is concerned, it is more propeganda than a real technology. Like I said Microwave weapons are easier since the technology is already advanced enough in a home microware to develop it into a directional beam weapon. Lasers which are powerful enough to destroy a target, fitted to an airplane... just tough talk.

But of course, such propaganda and bull# stories being leaked, reported etc, have made the world so paranoid as to what exists, most of it is over exaggerated or just a myth in reality.

Take into account Russian plasma stealth, it was claimed years ago, they have the technology ready for deployment and earlier generation tech is ready for export, yet years later, still no export variant, even the original scientists claiming it is far beyond their current capability to engulf a high speed jet in a constant plasma cloud.

How many more examples need to be presented, before people realise, all those wonderful dream techs, are mostly just ideas still in concept stage (not even knowing if it is possible to implement), or just made up to show superiority over other nations etc.

Originally posted by Saf85
reply to post by dragonridr

 

Umm yeah sure, they been talking about such lasers for years, yet no one has demonstrated one that actually works, nor have they confirmed any operation dates etc.

Well, that's a yes and no thing. They did successfully use lasers to shoot down several missiles in the 1970's and 1980's. Nothing too spectacular though. Not disagreeing with the fact we don't have solid use of lasers, just want to make sure all information is on the table.

It is true, lasers have been a lot of talk but none actually shown.

I got a question.

I understand t t browns flame jet propulsion for the winterhaven project. The jet exhaust travels out the back of the aircraft and gets ionized by electric baffles somewhere in the afterburner area of the engine.

I understand that the further away the exhaust can throw the ionized particles it will create a larger difference in voltage potential thus greatly increasing the effectiveness of the anti gravity like effect.

But would it be possible without stripping the ionized particles to have a further attachment to the engine beyond the electric plates that ionize the exhaust to create a device similar to an alternator where the ionized particles traveling rapidly past magnetic coils or something similar incite a electric charge of it's own. a way to use the exhaust it's self as part of the component to create an electric current.

I understand that one could build an alternator attached to the turbine directly but could the ionized exhaust work like a copper wire rotating around another magnet like a simple electrical generator. but instead of using a wire it could use the exhaust?

hopefully some of what I said made some sense. any ideas about my crazy idea. or is something similar already in effect.

reply to post by Saf85


Well they test fired it all ready so my guess is it has to work.

During the test Aug. 7 at Kirtland Air Force Base, N.M., the ATL aircraft, a C-130H, fired its high-energy chemical laser through its beam control system.

The beam control system acquired a ground target and guided the laser beam to the target, as directed by ATL's battle management system. The laser passes through a rotating turret on the aircraft's belly.

"By firing the laser through the beam control system for the first time, the ATL team has begun to demonstrate the functionality of the entire weapon system integrated aboard the aircraft," said Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of Boeing Missile Defense Systems.