Weird Shadows on Mars!!! What Are They??

Originally posted by zorgon
reply to post by internos


Kewl So we have Geyser Spray, Dust Avalanches, and Dust Devil Trails

At least they are not ROCKS

And the white stuff is either CO2 ice or mixed with water ice since these Geysers and Streaks are seasonal with the polar thawing.. so every year we will see new patterns.

Glad to see you back... Poor ArMaP was doing all the work

No, of course this is not a rocks based thread: there are some very interesting images that are worthy to be studied, some of them are extremely interesting, at first glance. Just the fact that for the apparently same phenomenon there are so many possible explanations (that do make sense), is a great opportunity to find out more, for everyone.

Originally posted by NephraTari
I was not in the least bit rude. Must you always be a pompous arrogant @#@#?
I asked for the source image. Why is that unreasonable?
I don't visit places like living moon. You provided the thread and the topic so supply the valid source of these pictures that you want us to discuss.

You do not see the source data below the images after page one? All the data is there MSSS is an official source

You insult my website... you never add anything constructive to my threads, by your own words you won't visit the site "I don't visit places like living moon" which is created by the Pegasus group specifically to store and archive the material for these threads and has many contributors from ATS like Mike Singh, Internos, ArMaP, BFFT and others. It was set up to host images that are larger so that they can be hot linked into the threads without using other websites bandwidth... and to archive the collected data in a convenient place

All the info and support data is on those pages with all appropriate links etc and there is so much data that it would not all fit in the thread..

If you "don't visit places like living moon" that is your choice, but excuse me if I don't take you seriously or find your attitude disruptive.

This will be the last time I respond to ANY such post... by anyone

Originally posted by Lebowski achiever

Wow... but again. The shadows seem to be all over the place. Why is that? Are they shadows? Could it be oil (!) as in fossil fuel be leaking out there?

Oil was proposed, or at least other fluids... I have some older papers on that... but don't tell Bush... he doesn't need any more



But these happen every spring, which is why there are so many pictures available.

What would really be ironic is if it were swamp gas.

I'll stop posting in this thread now

Ill bet if you asked the experts at never a strait anser or nasa for short, the experts there will tell you they are ice particles from the space shutlle.

This is very cool! I've been in to mars for years and never seen this before! Very good post, thank you!

If your intrested in Mars and lunar anomaly's and wish to search images on your own i would suggest..

www.marsanomalyresearch.com...

www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil...

www.keithlaney.net...

www.lpi.usra.edu...

www.msss.com...

hirise.lpl.arizona.edu...

Hope them links work =)

however at least they give you a place to start

This is in no way to derail the thread i am just giveing people other sites to view nasa images. Even if you have researched for over 5 years of this kind of thing i hope the links i drop help you a bit..

Much luv ATS

Drow...

Originally posted by zorgon
Here is one a little closer...

MSSS Image # M07-01830
www.msss.com...

Up from the ground came a bubblin crude.... Oil that is!
Sure this isn't Sarah Palin's electoral district?

On a serious note there seems to be carbon inclusions in whatever that substance is!

Originally posted by Drow Ingpool
If your intrested in Mars and lunar anomaly's and wish to search images on your own i would suggest..

www.marsanomalyresearch.com...

www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil...

www.keithlaney.net...

www.lpi.usra.edu...

www.msss.com...

hirise.lpl.arizona.edu...

Hope them links work =)

however at least they give you a place to start

This is in no way to derail the thread i am just giveing people other sites to view nasa images. Even if you have researched for over 5 years of this kind of thing i hope the links i drop help you a bit..

Much luv ATS

Drow...

Hello and thank you for these very useful links.
Thanx to Zorgon for starting this brilliant thread with magnificent photos and links to this great site "The Living Moon".
These are really puzzling. Revealing as well, i keep learning a lot about Mars on these threads.
Geisers are interesting.
Think I'll have to do a bit of homework and find out if studies of brought back material samples say what these geisers and 'leaks' content. But I hope that another type of fuel/ energy for car gets elaborated soon, as I fear a "War of the Worlds"...!
When I think that we have all the means to go take precise pics of Mars etc and bring samples to analyse but we still stick to the old stinkin' and polluting PETROL that is so much needed underneath for our Earth...are they 'all there' really? They do think in a limited little box, don't they?
Already we can have electric cars, just the speed isn't that high, but, so much the better imo. So why don't we start with that?!

(what gets me fuming is, after that, they fine us for non-recycling for ONE item, comply our kids to EAT FRUIT in the MORNING at school (UK, 'healthy' orders!) and make ££$$MILLIONS PROFITS on cigarettes writing to it "SMOKING KILLS"-- BUT PETROL IS "OK")

Anyway, back to the thread and I'll be back if I have found anything with chemicals, chemistry, or anything that could shed (and not "shred" ) some light on these great photos.

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reply to post by zorgon


Hey Z,

Not to jump on the whole "cite your sources" bandwagon but I'm going to. I am able to track down some of the pics that you are using in this thread but there have been several that using your file names I am unable to find. This one for example (M0701830.jpg) ends up referring to M0701830.jpg on the MSSS website. Definitely not the same. As I said, I'm not trying to jump on your back or anything and your posts have, at the very least, been entertaining (herd of animals and I have been able to find most of the ones you are using.

-S

I have found this link from NASA , it seems slow to download but might be interesting.
photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov...

I have read from the nasa/gov site that NASA themselves DO recommend www.msss.com
...saying it just for info.

I doubt I'll be able to search on chemistry and brought samples today, I've looked but really don't know where to start. I have a lot of work to do as well, just realised that , suddenly back to Earth! There must be a lot of reading to do about it. If anyone has a sum-up in a link please add to the thread : , beside are we told of what they consist in?

Yet I'm glad to at least mention the idea.
These "leaks" etc must be analysed somewhere.

Mars' underground fascinates a lot of people, including me. I now imagine underground cities and these would be polluting rejects of used energy or industries... whatever under the Phobos Moon!!!

(but NO these shapes cannot be shadows of the Mars- Moon)

I repeat the reference to my video on YT,
"MarsOddities-a Little Martian Girl?" by LaPieinsky, inspired by this forum, "Egyptian Statue on Mars" thread. Thanx again for the initial photo work & I wrote down the credits.

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[edit on 31-8-2008 by MarsFanMag]

Originally posted by zorgon
You insult my website...

I never did any such thing. Show where and when I actually insulted your website. You do have a flare for being over dramatic though.

by your own words you won't visit the site "I don't visit places like living moon"

Is that the insult? I do not visit such places because the images are taken out of context and cropped and given an opinion which leads to the viewer having a predisposed idea about what they are seeing.

I really don't think it is insulting to you or anyone else to with to see the raw data collected from the lander and until you put up one on mars yourself NASA's is the only official source.

which is created by the Pegasus group specifically to store and archive the material for these threads and has many contributors from ATS like Mike Singh, Internos, ArMaP, BFFT and others. It was set up to host images that are larger so that they can be hot linked into the threads without using other websites bandwidth... and to archive the collected data in a convenient place

Thats interesting so are you saying all the banter you have with Armap and Internos is then false because being a part of the site it originated from when they act as though they are seeing these images for the first time and thank you for sharing them... they are really nothing new to them because it has all been documented previously on the site that you all own together?

I would not hope this to be the case because I have deep respect for both internos and armap. But according to what you are saying.. you all own the website together that these pictures and data was organized on so why are they acting surprised to see it?

All the info and support data is on those pages with all appropriate links etc

Again you are the OP. It is your burden to supply valid sources for your posts not for the viewer to have to do through digging through your website.
Forcing someone to visit your own site to find a link which you could easily just have supplied below the image is sneaky and manipulative to say the least. It is a way to force people to view your site whether they want to or not.

If you "don't visit places like living moon" that is your choice, but excuse me if I don't take you seriously or find your attitude disruptive.

So again because I like to get the image from the true source and ask for you the OP to provide that source is disruptive?

I have not even stated my opinion on the images but you are drawing from my lack of agreeing with you in a previous thread where you claimed sand dunes were a herd of martian critters I am guessing?

I judge each thread on its own merits, but you make it extremely difficult to take you seriously when you cannot hold a discussion because of past discussions. Despite whether or not your ego was hurt should not give you the right to behave as you are over such a simple request as the source image from nasa. It is not the viewers responsibility to look it up it is yours and the thread OP to supply it.

This will be the last time I respond to ANY such post... by anyone

Then you are really not interested in a serious discussion. You just want to hear from those who are there to pat you on the back but anyone who questions you or asks for something very simple like the original source will be ignored?
WOW

I say its a life form. Thee is no evidence that Mars has hot/boiling core.

Just my humble opinion

Originally posted by NephraTari

Originally posted by zorgon

which is created by the Pegasus group specifically to store and archive the material for these threads and has many contributors from ATS like Mike Singh, Internos, ArMaP, BFFT and others. It was set up to host images that are larger so that they can be hot linked into the threads without using other websites bandwidth... and to archive the collected data in a convenient place

Thats interesting so are you saying all the banter you have with Armap and Internos is then false because being a part of the site it originated from when they act as though they are seeing these images for the first time and thank you for sharing them... they are really nothing new to them because it has all been documented previously on the site that you all own together?

I would not hope this to be the case because I have deep respect for both internos and armap. But according to what you are saying.. you all own the website together that these pictures and data was organized on so why are they acting surprised to see it?

Hi NephraTari: no, i'm not acting, i've never seen before the images in the OP : while i've seen before similar features on Mars: and i've said tanks to Zorgon for sharing because courtesy is mandatory.
That being said, i can speak for me: in that website, together with a HUGE amount of stuff coming from a HUGE amount of posters and sources, there's also stuff originally posted by me and many other ATSers here on ATS, with additional studies and captions. This does NOT mean that i know the content of the whole website: i wish to know it all, but it would require MUCH time, time that i've not, but i'd like to have: sadly i know only a small part of it, and in that small part there are NOT the images in the OP.
Hope this helps


[edit on 31/8/2008 by internos]

Them geysers is one of three things, oil, water, sand.
Oil or water would be my first guess, just cause it makes more sense.
If it's oil, then hey, guess we'll be drillin' on mars eh?
If it's oil, then there was a whole heck of a lot of life on mars at one time eh?

-Jimmy

To JimmyJackBlack:

...only 3 possibilities? Can it be only one of these 3 things?

It can be a mix of elements, it can be any fluid, unknown here as our chemicals/ chemistry are different. It can be a mix of fluid and solid...or gas...does NASA tell us what elements they are? It must have been sampled.

The 'leak' springing out of the ground-hole looks like it's fluid.(other photo) But it's different type of dejection.

Every spring...it's either Martians spring-cleaning from underneath via "chimneys" ...or it can be animal, hibernating underneath and ejecting substances like our whales can do...
...or the planet cleaning itself, new cycle...or else... I'd love to know!

[edit on 31-8-2008 by MarsFanMag]

Nice photo's. maybe its oil or gass from previous fossiles that came on mars when it still was a beautiful living planet.

the second picture looks like a shadow of something with a head and outstretched arms!
Nice!

thank you so much for sharing these photos, i've never seen these before and they are beautiful. I just get so excited to see photos of elements and sights that are unknown here on earth.

It seems like this would have been a more interesting spot for the mars probe to head to. can you imagine if the surface of mars gets really heated up and these whole areas just erupt with what ever that is, one huge massive explosion of ???(who knows what).

I get this sci-fi vision of the whole crust of mars falling away to reveal a land of eden .

Originally posted by NephraTari
I really don't think it is insulting to you or anyone else to with to see the raw data collected from the lander and until you put up one on mars yourself NASA's is the only official source.

The POINT is you challenge me to give the source yet refuse to go to my website where all the ORIGINAL images and source information is available. So yes that is an insult to all those who have worked very hard to create the information database when you say "I won't look at sites LIKE THAT" yet you demand the very same info that is on my site here in the threads

And NASA is NOT the only official source... there is ESA , JAXA, the DoD, the NAVY (Clementine) USGS, LPI, ASU. Colorado School of Mines... and many many more. NASA alone has umpteen different galleries all of which are available here as we add them

I know you won't look but for the others...

Everyone is always asking "Where do yo get all those images"

PEGASUS RESEARCH CONSORTIUM LINK DATABASE

Here there are about 300 NASA directories that are not easy to find

NASA AND SPACE RELATED SOURCES AND ARTICLES

For those interested I suggest you bookmark those as I will not post them again

Thats interesting so are you saying all the banter you have with Armap and Internos

you all own the website together that these pictures and data was organized on so why are they acting surprised to see it?

You really are argumentative and deliberately disruptive... PLEASE LEARN TO READ

I OWN PEGASUS It is paid for out of MY pocket entirely... There is no donations, no ads, no sales...

People who have an interest contribute material as they see fit, the same way they do here at ATS... Do you have any idea how much it costs in time and money to maintain such a site and handle the bandwidth that is required from every post opened by any member at ATS for material in the thread?

Again you are the OP. It is your burden to supply valid sources for your posts not for the viewer to have to do through digging through your website.

Again I did... the info and link to Malin Space Systems is BELOW EVERY IMAGE and I am under no burden beyond that... Since the Malin images are to big to put in a thread it is YOUR burden to follow the link

Forcing someone to visit your own site to find a link which you could easily just have supplied below the image is sneaky

MALIN SPACE SYSTEMS IS NOT MY SITE

Are you really that obtuse? Or just looking to create discontent?

I would suspect the later... good day to you



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